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Benson, Hayes still exchanging barbs - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 45 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Sep 30, 2010, titled Benson, Hayes still exchanging barbs - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

The two candidates for the 37th Middlesex District seat squared off for the second time in three nights Wednesday, fielding questions from Shirley residents that ranged from state spending to the teaching of religion in schools.

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Voter

Acton, MA

#22 Sep 30, 2010
Tax it in Mass wrote:
Rep Benson wrote a proposal to tax plastic bags.
Hoping to keep them out of land fills.
I don't have the bill number. But Rep Benson didn't want to discuss it when Kurt Hayes mention it up at the Lunenburg debate.
It's on the video. See for yourself.
Or, better yet ask her....
Benson thought it was too "complicated" to discuss the tax on plastic bags. Have you picked up on the fact that when she doesn't want to discuss something, she says it's "complicated"?
Me Tarzan You Jane

United States

#23 Sep 30, 2010
American Voter wrote:
<quoted text>
And what part of that is incorrect? That IS the real world, you might not like it, not PC enough for you, but that is how it happens, perhaps not for you! but I can assure you, this is the way it is!
Stick to the subject, Time and Roles! Try and understand what she said and how misleading it is
Don't get all caught up in silly Political Correctness, try and keep it real!
Of course it's not sexist for a woman to be supported 100% by her husband so that she can pursue political ambitions, whilst pointing the negative finger against an experienced person who also has a job? Or does Jen Benson NOT have another job? As a spouse? Now which one is it? She's trying to fool you, actually she has fooled you because her situation is no different to that of Kurt Hayes, time available wise! Is it? Or do you want to spin that?
The part of your statement that is incorrect is...EVERYTHING!

First, I shouldn't even have go into the part about marriage being a partnership and that she is not "supported by her husband" anymore than her husband and family are supported by her. It is a family and should function that way.

Second, even in your Neanderthal world, she has had a paying job the last 20 months and is not "100% supported by her husband".

But the real point is the one you cannot acknowledge and/or understand: Mr. Hayes wants to KEEP his current job AND be State Rep which is a full-time job, despite his statements to the contrary. That means he will be taking full-time pay for part-time work. He completely dismisses the notion of conflict of interest (talk about condescending!) while it may truly be a violation of state ethics law. His "pro-business" campaigning, which could largely benefit IBM, his employer, makes me seriously questions his allegiance to the citizens of the district and his overall motivations. I mean, how convenient for IBM to have an employee in the State House working the system. Not exactly the model of transparency, is it?

You cannot serve two masters. Sorry.
Mike fom Leominster

Fitchburg, MA

#24 Sep 30, 2010
I agree with Kevin wrote:
Let's use the $35k in savings and apply the funds
to support Americans with disabilites.
We all win without seeking for more taxes.
God, I should be a canidate.
Don't spend that $35k all in one place [eye roll]. I hope to god you were being sarcastic.
Resident of Lunenburg

Lowell, MA

#25 Sep 30, 2010
Get your liberal minded helmut off for a second and listen to what your are saying.

For starters, look around to other states, this job is not a full time job. Look at the other states, including NH to the north of us. The Reps want you to believe it is a full time to job to support the $100K compensation they receive after you factor in $70K salary plus benefits.

Second, you really think ole Kurt Hayes, Repbulican, is going to use his swagger at the state house and convince the Democratic controlled government to throw IBM a bone? The procurement laws reqiure bids on all contracts. Kurt is an outsider and will not be able to scam the system unlike we've seen in the past with the Democrats.

You can serve two masters. We all do it everyday. Some better than others.
Me Tarzan You Jane wrote:
<quoted text>
The part of your statement that is incorrect is...EVERYTHING!
First, I shouldn't even have go into the part about marriage being a partnership and that she is not "supported by her husband" anymore than her husband and family are supported by her. It is a family and should function that way.
Second, even in your Neanderthal world, she has had a paying job the last 20 months and is not "100% supported by her husband".
But the real point is the one you cannot acknowledge and/or understand: Mr. Hayes wants to KEEP his current job AND be State Rep which is a full-time job, despite his statements to the contrary. That means he will be taking full-time pay for part-time work. He completely dismisses the notion of conflict of interest (talk about condescending!) while it may truly be a violation of state ethics law. His "pro-business" campaigning, which could largely benefit IBM, his employer, makes me seriously questions his allegiance to the citizens of the district and his overall motivations. I mean, how convenient for IBM to have an employee in the State House working the system. Not exactly the model of transparency, is it?
You cannot serve two masters. Sorry.
Mellon271

Boston, MA

#26 Sep 30, 2010
She was for it, before she voted against it. hmmm.
kevin baer wrote:
benson did state she voted against the budget but completly ignored the fact that she had two chances to vote to repeal the tax and voted both times to keep it.
Mellon271

Columbia, MO

#27 Sep 30, 2010
Hayes has 20 years of professional experience.
Benson has 20 months of professional experience.
RealChange

Leominster, MA

#28 Sep 30, 2010
Me Tarzan You Jane wrote:
You cannot serve two masters. Sorry.
You are correct sir.

You can either serve Master Therese Murray (D) President of the Senate or Speaker of the House, Master Robert DeLeo(D).

You most certainly cannot serve both.
Complicated

Northborough, MA

#29 Sep 30, 2010
Mellon271 wrote:
She was for it, before she voted against it. hmmm.
<quoted text>
Clearly, these debates are not going to change so obviously partisan minds, on either side. But yes, she initially voted in favor of the increase because it was the only way available to save local aid. And yes, as taxes go, the property tax is pretty regressive. So, the marginal increase in the sales tax was the price to pay to preserve local aid. When her party cut local aid anyway, she changed her mind. She VOTED against the budget, against the tax increase, and AGAINST her party. Spin away, but those are the facts.
2incomes

Leominster, MA

#30 Sep 30, 2010
Mellon271 wrote:
Hayes has 20 years of professional experience.
Benson has 20 months of professional experience.
So you would hire a fry cook with 20 years of "professional" experience to do your taxes?

Why would you hire someone with no idea how to do the job, as well as an inappropriate devotion to one specific corporation, to represent you in state government?
2incomes

Leominster, MA

#31 Sep 30, 2010
Resident of Lunenburg wrote:
Get your liberal minded helmut off for a second and listen to what your are saying.
For starters, look around to other states, this job is not a full time job. Look at the other states, including NH to the north of us. The Reps want you to believe it is a full time to job to support the $100K compensation they receive after you factor in $70K salary plus benefits.
Second, you really think ole Kurt Hayes, Repbulican, is going to use his swagger at the state house and convince the Democratic controlled government to throw IBM a bone? The procurement laws reqiure bids on all contracts. Kurt is an outsider and will not be able to scam the system unlike we've seen in the past with the Democrats.
You can serve two masters. We all do it everyday. Some better than others.
<quoted text>
Would he be able to get away with that in the private sector? Work part-time for IBM and take a full time job at Oracle?

No. Neither IBM nor Oracle would find that acceptable.
Voter

Acton, MA

#32 Sep 30, 2010
2incomes wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would hire a fry cook with 20 years of "professional" experience to do your taxes?
Why would you hire someone with no idea how to do the job, as well as an inappropriate devotion to one specific corporation, to represent you in state government?
Benson has no idea how to do her job, she even admitted it has taken almost 2 YEARS to get used her job and wants more time to finish it. In the real world she would have been fired after 2 weeks!
Voter

Acton, MA

#33 Sep 30, 2010
Complicated wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly, these debates are not going to change so obviously partisan minds, on either side. But yes, she initially voted in favor of the increase because it was the only way available to save local aid. And yes, as taxes go, the property tax is pretty regressive. So, the marginal increase in the sales tax was the price to pay to preserve local aid. When her party cut local aid anyway, she changed her mind. She VOTED against the budget, against the tax increase, and AGAINST her party. Spin away, but those are the facts.
She also had a chance to amend that bill twice and did NOTHING about it. She is VERY good at spinning the facts to confuse voters.
2incomes

Leominster, MA

#35 Sep 30, 2010
Voter wrote:
<quoted text>
Benson has no idea how to do her job, she even admitted it has taken almost 2 YEARS to get used her job and wants more time to finish it. In the real world she would have been fired after 2 weeks!
When she lined up with her constituents to explore options for a municipal utility, she seemed to be doing quite well.

You want to reset the clock for a newbie to learn it all over again? The newbie may not be as in touch with constituents, and the learning curve can take much longer for a part-timer like Hayes.
Harvard Voter

Brookline, NH

#36 Sep 30, 2010
I attended the debate last night to learn more about each candidate. I learned a lot about Jen Benson!! I learned I do not want her to represent me. Her attitude was very arrogant...even going as far as critizing a woman who asked her a question about the level of sales tax. Her facial expressions when Mr. Hayes was answering questions made me think of a fourth grader!! She seems like the typical Democrat who salute when the leadership tells her. My vote will go to Kurt Hayes--seems like a down to earth family man with a great business background we desparately need in Beacon Hill. I like what he said about the need for reform, lowering taxes, and reducing regulations so business can grow...hire people who pay taxes...and work us out of this recession.
appalled

Acton, MA

#37 Sep 30, 2010
Harvard Voter wrote:
I attended the debate last night to learn more about each candidate. I learned a lot about Jen Benson!! I learned I do not want her to represent me. Her attitude was very arrogant...even going as far as critizing a woman who asked her a question about the level of sales tax. Her facial expressions when Mr. Hayes was answering questions made me think of a fourth grader!! She seems like the typical Democrat who salute when the leadership tells her. My vote will go to Kurt Hayes--seems like a down to earth family man with a great business background we desparately need in Beacon Hill. I like what he said about the need for reform, lowering taxes, and reducing regulations so business can grow...hire people who pay taxes...and work us out of this recession.
I noticed Jen Benson making those same disgusted facial expressions and the rolling of eyes when Kurt Hayes was talking. I am appalled that a sitting State Rep would act so immaturely, unprofessional and not give someone the same courtesy that she was given. Kurt Hayes is a true class act and would make a great State Rep. I am looking forward to watching the debate on cable and have friends see how our State Rep behaves.
Mellon271

Clinton, MA

#38 Sep 30, 2010
2incomes wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would hire a fry cook with 20 years of "professional" experience to do your taxes?
Why would you hire someone with no idea how to do the job, as well as an inappropriate devotion to one specific corporation, to represent you in state government?
I think Mr. Hayes has a much better grasp on the job with with his experience than Mrs. Benson does with hers.
Mellon271

Clinton, MA

#39 Sep 30, 2010
Complicated wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly, these debates are not going to change so obviously partisan minds, on either side. But yes, she initially voted in favor of the increase because it was the only way available to save local aid. And yes, as taxes go, the property tax is pretty regressive. So, the marginal increase in the sales tax was the price to pay to preserve local aid. When her party cut local aid anyway, she changed her mind. She VOTED against the budget, against the tax increase, and AGAINST her party. Spin away, but those are the facts.
Yes, she was a good soldier on the votes that mattered, and rewarded on the vote that didn't.
Mellon271

Clinton, MA

#40 Sep 30, 2010
How can a proposal to tax plastic bags be "complicated"? Perhaps I wouldn't understand it.
Blogenburgian

Leominster, MA

#41 Sep 30, 2010
I am amazed that neither candidate has the real answer to lowering health insurance costs. We are the most deseased nation on the globe. Therefore it is technically not health care but desease maintanance and mitigation coverage, of course it is going to be extremely expensive.
A comprehensive wellness policy for schools and municiplaities would be the start to getting our public employees healthy, the private sector would have to follow.
Also each school typically has a school nurse. The state offering funding for a Phycisians Assistant in every school district would provide a comprehensive safety net for all school children, I could keep going!!!

Very disappointing to see the debate focused on cutting more benifits to us poor working slobs instead of addressing the root cause of the problem. Being in Industry Hayes should know this approach and start talking it, doubt Benson ever will but we'll see.
Me Tarzan You Jane

United States

#43 Oct 1, 2010
Harvard Voter wrote:
I attended the debate last night to learn more about each candidate. I learned a lot about Jen Benson!! I learned I do not want her to represent me. Her attitude was very arrogant...even going as far as critizing a woman who asked her a question about the level of sales tax. Her facial expressions when Mr. Hayes was answering questions made me think of a fourth grader!! She seems like the typical Democrat who salute when the leadership tells her. My vote will go to Kurt Hayes--seems like a down to earth family man with a great business background we desparately need in Beacon Hill. I like what he said about the need for reform, lowering taxes, and reducing regulations so business can grow...hire people who pay taxes...and work us out of this recession.
Your first sentence makes it sound like you are undecided but you tip your hand when you use phrases like "typical Democrat" and "salute when the leadership tells her". That is all partisan messaging and you are obviously already a Hayes supporter.

As for Rep. Benson's expressions, they both expressed their reactions to the other's answers and rebuttals. It was not one-sided as you seem to imagine.(Yes, I was there too). The candidates' reactions were not "fourth-grader-ish" as you suggest, but normal reactions that anyone might have in such a scenario.

Lastly, Mr. Hayes' platform may be nice for people to hear (lower taxes, more jobs) but ALL candidates say that. Words are cheap. The problem is he has absolutely no public track record of ever DOING any of that. His accomplishments in IBM, whatever they might be, are not known to anyone but himself and his colleagues. We do not even know if he is a good employee.(And, no, longevity at a company is no indication... we all know people who have been in jobs for many years that do not perform!)

Bottom line: it is IMPOSSIBLE to know how he would function in any municipal arena, let alone the State House. All we have are his words, but actions speak louder....and he doesn't have any to back him up. Sorry.

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