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Woman seriously hurt in Shirley fire - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 51 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Dec 7, 2009, titled Woman seriously hurt in Shirley fire - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

Shirley Fire Capt. Joe Hawthorne has been fighting fires for 33 years, so he is used to being awakened by a pager, heading to the fire station and then going out to battle flames.

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Shirley Mom

Amesbury, MA

#42 Dec 9, 2009
As a Shirley resident, I know that Joe is one of the most liked person in Shirley and probably the area. He did what he knew in his heart he should do. "The Chief" in these comments should think before he writes. If I were in a burning house, I would be so grateful for having Joe on the Shirley Fire Dept. I also appreciate the police officers.
God was watching over Joe and the others. They deserve to be honored, not questioned.
Gov. Patrick should come to Shirley and honor the police and firefighters. Perhaps we would have someone on staff 24/7 if he didn't make the cuts in state aid that he did. These men and women do the best job that they can with the man power they have.
Thank God for all of them.
KTH

Cambridge, MA

#43 Dec 9, 2009
The difference between you and I "chief", is that I'm not afraid to let the world know who I am and what I stand for. Joe only has one daughter, so it's not too hard to figure out who I am. And I didn't make up a rank for myself online so I could anonomously bash good people. My name on here is Kt H. Stands for my name, pal, Katie Hawthorne. I will proudly stand up for my dad in any public forum and not hide behind a computer like you do. All you do is lessen the acts of brave men and women who do what they have to do to save lives. Yes it is true that in the Worcester fire the building ended up being empty, but those firefighters were in there for a reason. It was reported that someone was inside the building. Do not take the acts of brave heroes who lost their lives and drive them into the ground with your nonsense. Policy and procedure do have a place and it's usually in a classroom or boardroom, where people like to think they know what is best in every situation. It was a judgement call and my father is a fire expert. It's unfortunate you can't see this situation for what it is, but in reality it doesn't matter. My family, extended family, friends, and this whole town is proud of my dad. And guess what, if need be any firefighter, including my dad, would do the same thing all over again. A mother of three was saved and none of your spouting off of the mouth can take that fact back. It's not too hard to get a Hawthorne riled up, that much is true, especially when one of our own is being attacked. And I am my father's daughter, proud to be just like him. But not only that, I would publicly stand up for any person, firefighter, cop, or joe public whos actions unselfishly helped someone. MY dad will be judged, as we all will, on his day of reckoning. And just FYI I'm pretty sure God does not judge based on policy and procedure. My dad will be welcomed into Heaven, you on the other hand....not so sure, pal. You may want to reconsider your course of action over the past few days my friend!!!
PJ Roy

Fitchburg, MA

#44 Dec 9, 2009
Chief wrote:
Again, was proper firefighting procedure followed? In other words, are his actions in this situation what is taught at the firefighting academy? PJ Roy seems to agree so this man shouldn't be glorified for being reckless in his actions which could have endangered other firefighters or rescue personnel.
Let's just be truthful here!
Chief,
I totally couldn't disagree with you more, I would have done the same thing and anyone that is a good firefighter would have too. The Mass Fire Academy teaches you the basics of firefighting, somethings just cannot be taught, These things come with experience and knowing when you can make a rescue or not take a chance Joe has been there long enough to know this and acted as a true hero in this situation. Again, I totally agree with Captain Hawthornes Decision to enter that building and rescue a victim that is still alive. When you take the oath to be a firefighter it is to protect life and property and this situation warranted immediate action to save a life. Sorry you feel this way, Capt. Hawthorne did the right thing. Again great job Joe!!!
The Truth

Fitchburg, MA

#45 Dec 9, 2009
I would like to see proof that Fire Chief Levesque actually applied for enough money to bring back the laid off firefighters. KLL talk is cheap, how do we know he is just not saying that. If infact he did so be it. Show me just how much he put in for????
KLL

Leominster, MA

#46 Dec 9, 2009
The Truth wrote:
I would like to see proof that Fire Chief Levesque actually applied for enough money to bring back the laid off firefighters. KLL talk is cheap, how do we know he is just not saying that. If infact he did so be it. Show me just how much he put in for????
I love how you guys arn't man enough to put in your really name... Maybe you should ask him himself how much he put in for??? but your prob. not man enough also I believe there were alot of other people involved in how much to ask for, for stimulus... but just go ask him yourself... It's also pretty sad that people have nothing better to do than bash people on this website.
KLL

Leominster, MA

#47 Dec 9, 2009
Katie its to bad people are seeing so much negativity in such a great story there is always a few rotten apples in a bunch!
Jim

Lufkin, TX

#48 Dec 9, 2009
Way to go Butch --
Bro

AOL

#49 Dec 9, 2009
Chief wrote:
What if he became trapped? Others then would have attempted to rescue him thereby endangering everyone. "Thinking outside the box," as you say. Doe the Firefighting Academies advocate under ANY circumstances rushing into a burning building without equipment?

I as a taxpayer would then be responsible for his injuries and lifetime stream of income to the family of a firefighter to despite his many years of training and experience chose to ignore SAFETY protocls for firefighters.

Did it work out this tiome? Sure but the next time he disregards proper procedure he and we may not be so lucky.

Can't anyone admit that he broke some of the basic rules of firefighting? C'mon he was lucky he didn't get hurt despite his actions. He is not a heromhe is just someone who acted recklessly and was lucky...we all know that! I will be right there asking him questions about his actions if he is placed on a pedestal. Lets not reward bad behavior and poor choice selection. I have had my say.
After re-reading "Chief's" posts, I'm more than convinced he has nothing to do with the fire service. He's just just another member of the "Me" Generation with a computer who has no idea what it means to help others. Read the second paragraph of his comments above. I think that says it all. He (or she) is only concerned with themselves. I'd bet "Chief" has never gone out of his way to help another human being, with the possible exception of himself.
People like this will never understand what firefighters do or why they do it.
KTH

Cambridge, MA

#50 Dec 10, 2009
I see "chief" has nothing left to say, but I'd like to share something my mother wrote.

Imagine yourself as the victim. Your husband has passed away months earlier. You don't know whether or not all of your children are out of the burning house. You're in pain, more than likely cannot breathe. With the fear of dying, you are screaming for help, for her what must have seemed like a lifetime. All of a sudden you hear a voice, you feel a touch, you feel someone taking you out of the fire. Just imagine the few minutes of peace she felt knowing someone was there with her. For that reason We are so proud of Capt Joe Hawthorne!!

Signed Mary Hawthorne.
PS: Yes my parent's names are Mary and Joseph...somehow seems fitting!!
K Dailey

Allston, MA

#51 Dec 11, 2009
Thank you Joe Hawthorne for all you do, I'm so thankful to live in a town where self-less men like this exist who gave those three girls a chance at having their mom for more years to come. It disgusts me to think that someone has the nerve to to criticize such an act of bravery. Katie your dad IS a hero and your comments are right on!
KTH

Leominster, MA

#52 Dec 18, 2010
Chief wrote:
What if he became trapped? Others then would have attempted to rescue him thereby endangering everyone. "Thinking outside the box," as you say. Doe the Firefighting Academies advocate under ANY circumstances rushing into a burning building without equipment?
I as a taxpayer would then be responsible for his injuries and lifetime stream of income to the family of a firefighter to despite his many years of training and experience chose to ignore SAFETY protocls for firefighters.
Did it work out this tiome? Sure but the next time he disregards proper procedure he and we may not be so lucky.
Can't anyone admit that he broke some of the basic rules of firefighting? C'mon he was lucky he didn't get hurt despite his actions. He is not a heromhe is just someone who acted recklessly and was lucky...we all know that! I will be right there asking him questions about his actions if he is placed on a pedestal. Lets not reward bad behavior and poor choice selection. I have had my say.
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