Shirley votes on $750,000 study

Full story: Lowell Sun 12
Voters are being asked for $750,000 to study the feasibility of an addition and/or renovation of the regional middle-high school. Full Story
Crap

Salem, NH

#1 Jan 11, 2011
hahaha,$750k for a "review" give me a break.

50yr longevity? yeah, you can bet on that!

Reimbursement? I'm sure you'll see that.

Here's a thought, add a requirement that the politicians are personally held responsible in a court of law if the project doesn't work. You'll see that taken off the ballot in a hurry.
huj

Belmont, MA

#2 Jan 11, 2011
how insulting..why cant they get off there fat asses..walk around the building with an archetect and see what he thinks..in the old days,the guy that built all those giant buildings in philly,worcester,new york amd washington,,had no plans when he arrived to a site,just whipped them up there on the spot,,,better buildings then a puny high school..look at that huge one on worcester with the giant columns in front..in fact thats the way it was done with all our famous huge buildings,,so tell me how u justify 750,000 dollars..just makes no sense..it takes about 30 minutes for a contractor to measure up a site,he gets anbout 60 dollars an hour..who the heck is getting 750,000.00 im voting against this stupid idea...the great rip off
Frank

Brookline, MA

#3 Jan 11, 2011
A feasibility study that cost 3/4 of a million dollars! Just to see whether this is economical!!!!

These people are fools. No wonder this country is going bankrupt.

Vote No. Demand a line by line itemization of the estimate feasibility costs.
wow

Leominster, MA

#4 Jan 11, 2011
Is there more to this story that I am missing? 750k for a study... without any construction cost ????
Wrong Again

Lowell, MA

#5 Jan 12, 2011
So obviously all of your information on this topic is from this newspaper story covering one meeting on a topic that has been under study and discussion for 2 years. Great. Way to dig in and stay informed.

First, the study is required by the Massachusetts School Building Authority (MSBA). Before they will agree to reimburse for the actual construction, they require the study. Cities and towns all over MA have gone through and are going through these studies. Some of them were consulted when deciding the right ESTIMATE for the feasibility study should be. So this is a state requirement.

It will be reimbursed. One cent of your 6.25 MA sales tax funds the MSBA. When you have a pizza and beer at the Pic you're funding the MSBA. So they are well funded. Ask Shirley town officials - did you get money back on the middle school? Yes, reimbursed. MSBA made their commitments as they are doing across the state. There will be reimbursement on the study and the construction.

You really need to get out and attend some meetings rather than rely on the newspapaer. Talking about getting off your fat asses. Do yourself a favor and get informed and stop making yourselves look like idiots with your paranoia and ignorance.
Curiouser

Jersey City, NJ

#6 Jan 13, 2011
Wrong Again wrote:
So obviously all of your information on this topic is from this newspaper story covering one meeting on a topic that has been under study and discussion for 2 years. Great. Way to dig in and stay informed.
You really need to get out and attend some meetings rather than rely on the newspapaer. Talking about getting off your fat asses. Do yourself a favor and get informed and stop making yourselves look like idiots with your paranoia and ignorance.
Tell us then what exactly is INCORRECT in this story
Really

Maynard, MA

#7 Jan 13, 2011
Wrong again may be 100% correct in what he or she has written. Based upon the content (and tone) I assume they are a school board member or somehow connected. And he/she is also correct in that people fail to attend meetings and take what is in our local papers as gospel. However, their condemning tone is uncalled for and telling folks to "get off their fat asses" really doesn't endear folks (myself included) to "the cause." While I can understand your frustration there is no reason to get snooty.
thinkfacts

Acton, MA

#8 Jan 13, 2011
Instead of spending time blogging about incorrect information, please get out to one of the meetings that explain the requirements so you all understand the process. If you can't get out to a meeting, there are plenty of people who are willing to call you directly to speak with you about the process and address any of your concerns. Just go to the school websites and pick a person from one of the school commitees, etc. GET INFORMED. DON'T WALK THROUGH LIFE LIVING IN IGNORANCE!
Frank

Brookline, MA

#9 Jan 13, 2011
Wrong Again wrote:
So obviously all of your information on this topic is from this newspaper story covering one meeting on a topic that has been under study and discussion for 2 years. Great. Way to dig in and stay informed.
First, the study is required by the Massachusetts School Building Authority (MSBA). Before they will agree to reimburse for the actual construction, they require the study. Cities and towns all over MA have gone through and are going through these studies. Some of them were consulted when deciding the right ESTIMATE for the feasibility study should be. So this is a state requirement.
It will be reimbursed. One cent of your 6.25 MA sales tax funds the MSBA. When you have a pizza and beer at the Pic you're funding the MSBA. So they are well funded. Ask Shirley town officials - did you get money back on the middle school? Yes, reimbursed. MSBA made their commitments as they are doing across the state. There will be reimbursement on the study and the construction.
You really need to get out and attend some meetings rather than rely on the newspapaer. Talking about getting off your fat asses. Do yourself a favor and get informed and stop making yourselves look like idiots with your paranoia and ignorance.
So let me get this straight...you've been studying for 2 years whether to undertake a feasibility study????? Again more evidence of how inefficient government has gotten.

Also, whether the study is funded through property taxes or sales taxes is irrelevant. Spending $750,000 to study the feasibility of an addition and/or renovation of a building is absolutely absurd.

If you are really in the know, why not explain to the readership what expenses are covered by the $750,000.

Vote No until said expenses are fully explained.
anotherthought

Lincoln, MA

#10 Jan 15, 2011
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>
So let me get this straight...you've been studying for 2 years whether to undertake a feasibility study????? Again more evidence of how inefficient government has gotten.
Also, whether the study is funded through property taxes or sales taxes is irrelevant. Spending $750,000 to study the feasibility of an addition and/or renovation of a building is absolutely absurd.
If you are really in the know, why not explain to the readership what expenses are covered by the $750,000.
Vote No until said expenses are fully explained.
No, the 2+ year study was to dertermine whether it was in the best interest of Shirley and Ayer to become a regional school system. The study was actually done over about 3 or so years- first with Ayer, Shirley, and Lunenburg and then just with Ayer and Shirley. The building issues needed to be dealt with whether or not the towns regionalized, but was put off until the regional study process came to an end. Now its time to move forward with the process of dealing with the building issues. The 750 is the high end of what a feasibility study could cost based on what other towns in the Commonwealth have had to spend, and is parially reembursed. Also, the loan is taken as needed and could be less than the 750, but no one wants to cut that amount in half and then have to go back to another vote like what was done for the Ayer firestation. You can go to one of the informational meetings or contact the board directly (or contact MSBA) to get your questions answered re how the money would be spent. A feasibility study is required by the MSBA or they will not fund the project.
Aspiring

Concord, MA

#11 Jan 15, 2011
Ok so a quick question. What happens if the feasibility study is done and lo and behold they say that it isn't feasible to renovate or add on to the existing school. Is that even a chance of happening? Then what would happen?
canrenovate

Lincoln, MA

#12 Jan 17, 2011
Aspiring wrote:
Ok so a quick question. What happens if the feasibility study is done and lo and behold they say that it isn't feasible to renovate or add on to the existing school. Is that even a chance of happening? Then what would happen?
Don't get stuck on the word. The study is to give spedifics of cost to renovate and add an addition (science and technology), which the original building was designed for.

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