Shirley School Adding Insult To Injury

Shirley School Adding Insult To Injury

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Citizen

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#1 May 29, 2008
After all the news about the abuse of children at Shirley School and other problems overlooked by Jack Robinson and the school board we hear that they or at least Robinson and the Coleman's want to sue those who are concerned for the safety and welfare of the children.

Maybe they are now embarrased seeing what they have done in the media. I hope the school board is just as ashamed at their lack of actions in correcting the wrongs at the school.

So now as I see it, children have been mistreated and abused, there was alcohol on campus by faculty and that was covered up and now the school is so broke under the leadership of Robinson teachers are being fired.

Adding Insult To Injury.
1Parent

Greenbrier, AR

#2 May 29, 2008
Now is the time for resignations, either freely given or...freely asked.
unkown citizen

Monticello, AR

#3 May 31, 2008
well i heard about kym bramlett getting all up in brandon face in the sixth grade. She blaimed eveything on brandon and gaya and now shes blaming the incient at the sixth grade formal on the parents.
1Parent

Greenbrier, AR

#4 Jun 1, 2008
From what I hear the so-called dance was next to nothing. No DJ, very little direction for them, just another play period.
As far as I am concerned the Principal should have been inside milling around watching what was going on instead of being outside solcializing. Why were there two doors being used. Why were Children allowed to go in and out and in and out and in again. Why blame chaperoning parents when the school officials are supposed to be in charge of everything because they know it all. It does not take a Brain Surgeon to know that when the kids come in they stay, when they go out, they cannot come back in. Why was this allowed.
Wake up everybody. Kids are kids.
These kids are just like they were 20 or 50 years ago. They are going to do all they can get away with. I did. I am sure the rest of you did too if you will admit to it. Appears to me the older batch of parents were smarter than todays parents. They knew what to watch for. I really did not get away with too much.
Citizen

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#5 Jun 2, 2008
It looks like the news of problems at the 6 th grade dance is out. It is SO SAD what happened but it isnt the time to point fingers of blame at anyone. This event was planned for the children to enjoy and have a great time and memory of the 6 th grade year and all they have been thru. We could look and say kids shouldnt have been allowed to roam in and out of the building freely or that so and so should have watched them better or whatever but that will not help the matter or benefit anyone involved.

We can only hope that this matter is handled with care and doesnt over effect the kids. There has already been enouph harm done to them.

I think there will be a punishment or a disciple needed for the matter but I wasnt there and know only part of the story.

This shouldnt be blown out of proportion but handled with care and careful thought.

As bad as some people think the matter sounds, noone was hurt and it was simply kids being kids and not having the ability to use good judgement.
Friend

Greenbrier, AR

#6 Jun 3, 2008
Citizen wrote:
It looks like the news of problems at the 6 th grade dance is out. It is SO SAD what happened but it isnt the time to point fingers of blame at anyone. This event was planned for the children to enjoy and have a great time and memory of the 6 th grade year and all they have been thru. We could look and say kids shouldnt have been allowed to roam in and out of the building freely or that so and so should have watched them better or whatever but that will not help the matter or benefit anyone involved.
We can only hope that this matter is handled with care and doesnt over effect the kids. There has already been enouph harm done to them.
I think there will be a punishment or a disciple needed for the matter but I wasnt there and know only part of the story.
This shouldnt be blown out of proportion but handled with care and careful thought.
As bad as some people think the matter sounds, noone was hurt and it was simply kids being kids and not having the ability to use good judgement.
You are so right. Kids will be kids no matter what generation they are raised in. All in all, they were probably scared to death with the way it turned out. If the police were called as I heard, then I hope a good talking to from the Cop will be sufficient. Needless to say this will be a 6th grade event they will remember...for years
Peggy Dean

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#7 Jun 3, 2008
Has there ever been booze on campus before? If so, were the police notified?
Friend

Greenbrier, AR

#8 Jun 3, 2008
Peggy Dean wrote:
Has there ever been booze on campus before? If so, were the police notified?
Yes, Booze was on the campus in form of a case of wine that sat in the Principal's office for a week. Then at an assembly for the faculty it was given to those who had winning tickets or something. Not being there I only have secondhand knowledge.
No, the Police were not called or notified. It was brought to general attention so we were told the Principal and the Super recived token slaps of the wrists by way of a letter in their files, she for giving it away and he for letting her. I am only repeating for your benefit what has been on line for quite some time.
Maybe there should be a "token" letter in the child's file. Since it was not a big deal before why should it be this time.
Peggy Dean

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#9 Jun 3, 2008
It is a punitive system for the children it would seem. Adults should be held to the highest of standards, especially those who are licensed professionals. A code of ethics is so overdue in the state of Arkansas.
Information for Peggy

Monticello, AR

#10 Jun 3, 2008
For years, there has been a parent group, similar to PTA, that assembles small goodie-bags to give to teachers, bus drivers, other employees as a kind of welcome back to school - pencils, tablets, magnets, small items donated by area businesses. This past fall, separate but also intended as a welcome-back, the elementary principal took it on herself to solicit donations for a welcome back for the teachers prior to the opening of school. It was held, from what I have heard, during some of the workshops that teachers must attend. One local business donated some bottles of wine. I have heard it was the local nursing home, which has an assisted living section, and which has wine for its residents. I don't know what else was donated, the wine was just one item of several that the principal received from area businesses. Anyone who has ever been part of a fund-raiser and had to solicit donations, then go pick them up, knows it is a real job, and this was being done purely out of good intentions to have a nice welcome-back for the teachers. I'm not sure how the gifts were distributed; I feel sure there were only a few bottles of wine and probably limited quantities of other gifts, as well. I think it was done like door prizes or drawings. At no time was alcohol consumed on campus by adults, nor were there any children present. This is something people have latched onto to try to discredit the school. The latest is some kids bringing alcohol to the 6th grade graduation party. From what I've heard, the school safety officer was called and all proper avenues were taken in the way the school and its personnel handled the incident. The two events are unrelated.
Peggy Dean

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#11 Jun 3, 2008
Is there a PTA in this district? I hope so. National PTA has a position statement in support of banning corporal punishment in schools. A local group in this school district would be of benefit in protecting the children from harm.
Friend

Greenbrier, AR

#12 Jun 4, 2008
Looks to me as though there are two lines of thought on this subject of booze in school. It is okay for adults but not for children. Ever hear of "monkey see, monkey do"? Booze on campus is a big NO NO at any time and everyone knows it.
No one was accused of drinking on the campus nor is anyone trying to discredit the school. Discrediting the school was already well covered and why these forums were begun. I believe most people in Shirley and in Shirley Schools are sick and tired of being held up for redicule and all else that has been done to them or their kids.

“STICK A FORK IN IT ...ITS DONE”

Since: May 08

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#13 Jun 4, 2008
This has nothing to do with the booze at the 6th grade dance but it does have alot to do with adding insult to injury and monkey see monkey do..

I went to the Shirley elem. school awards. And it was going pretty good until my oldest granddaughter wanted to say hello to a teacher. She came back upset because she said this teacher was rude to her. Now this is a teacher she has always thought highly of although I haven't . I imagine this teacher doesn't like my grand child because I don't like the same people that she likes. Well I've tried to teach my grandchildren better than that. Just because I dislike someone I don't believe everyone should also dislike them. And I want my grandchildren to use their own judgement...UNTIL....something of this nature occurs...then I become angry...now this "teacher" is off limits to be spoken to by my grandkids unless it has something to do with school.

I just think that a teacher should show restraint when speaking to a child. You don't like the parent/guardian? So what...deal with it for the sake of the child.. There are alot of people that I don't particurlarly care for but if my grandkids wish to speak to them when we are out and about I will not stop them. And I will not be rude to them in front of the kids if I come face to face and have to speak.. Then speak I will. It doesn't mean that you are rude to the child. Like I know some of the parents have been to mine by not letting their kids come play anymore..but oh well...anyway..Act like an adult and be pleasant to the kids...why hurt their feelings? Did they do anything to you? I doubt it. You are just mad at me..So be it...

I have a reason why I don't speak to some. And I should probably at least be civil in public. But in some way each have hurt my kids so its hard. But I have come around to some. Others...well I can't say..but I am an adult and I do try. And I would NEVER hurt your child's feelings.

We want our children to learn manners. Who do they learn from? Parents and Teachers....hmmmmm
Friend

Greenbrier, AR

#14 Jun 7, 2008
Marian, you are a fair woman. Take up for those children, don't let these idiots get away with anything by way of abuse. I am totally sick of what I am hearing about nothing being done at the Shirley School, the abuse, the molesting, whatever.
I keep hearing to deal with the chair of command which is nothing but a joke. I am worried and concerned that our school is on a runaway train and fast going down the drain.
What is to be expected when the people in charge keep doing nothing. Lets face facts, God only made so many liars and deliquents in the Shirley district and the others he put in charge of the School system.

“STICK A FORK IN IT ...ITS DONE”

Since: May 08

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#15 Jun 7, 2008
Thanks Friend...I too am tired of the way things are done, or not done. Every thing is "taken under advisement" but nothing is done. So I can only take up for my kids it seems and a few of my friends children/grandchildren and I know they will do the same for mine.

What really tires me out (other than the obvious) is the way we are treated as "troublemakers" because we want our kids safe and happy. Which is what every parent/guardian want for their kids.

I will not let this go just because its the summer. Neither will my friends. I'm tired of the kids being treated this way by the teachers when all they want is to say hello..

And I have talked to so many parents during school that are not happy with the administration, so why aren't they up in arms about it all? This infuriates me..Its your children also that are going to suffer in one way or another or already have. Remember my granddaughter didn't clean that bathroom alone.

I guess that incident at the awards has me angry and now I'm up and ready to go again. There have been just too many times that my grandkids have been snubbed by the administration..

And how many ADULTS out there agree with me that its about as low as you can go to snub a child because of the parent/guardian?

Maybe I will calm down .... Maybe I won't...
Peggy Dean

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#16 Jun 7, 2008
If you look to the research based best practices in 21st century schools and classrooms......you will see stark contrasts in some if not many schools in Arkansas. From the allegations mentioned in this district, it would seem that the adminstration would wish to provide 21st century learning environments to children. That would not include corporal punishment, forced exercise, or punitive treatment to include cleaning bathrooms under the supervision of custodians. In my humble opinion, there are much safer and educationally sound ways to discipline children. If 29 states can manage to maintain order in the classroom without the use of corporal punishment,I believe that any educator can do so as well. It is simply a matter of educating the educated to make sure that all can comprehend educationally sound and best practice methods. It surprises me that in 2008 we would even have a debate about whether or not teachers should hit students, force exercise, or mandate bathroom cleaning as punishment. Sadly, there are states and districts that fail to protect children from these choices. In my opinion, it is past time that all 50 states have congruent laws that protect children from such. If that were the case in Arkansas, just think of the way that eduators would be mandated by law to protect and treat children. Educators should be held to the highest of standards as professionals, never stooping to measures to correct children that could align them with child abusers. Educators should be above all reproach. Would you all agree?
Peggy Dean

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#17 Jun 7, 2008
Thank you to whoever posed as "information for Peggy".....whatever your intent, and whoever you may be. I believe part of what you wrote.
I do see the similarities and the differences between adults and children having alcohol in their hands, as I am sure all people reading this are able to discern.
I would say that I would not have an issue with 6th graders being held accountable for a mistake if I could have the most absolute confidence that the policies regarding alcohol on campus applied to all who violate this law/policy.
Was the law or policy applied fairly and to all offenders? I believe that once adults are held to the highest of standards, we will see the most positive change in our children. Conversely, when adults are allowed to hit, break rules, force exercise, etc, how in the name of all that is good and holy would anyone expect a child to make great choices? Just following logic here.......
I am curious, and asking what I believe to be a question that would have a straight answer. Were any adults in question reprimanded or charged for alcohol being in hand opened or not opened? I would think that this would be a matter of public record. I also think that school board meetings should be a matter of public record. Has anyone obtained a record of a recent meeting other than static?
Emma

Higden, AR

#18 Jun 7, 2008
The gift of alcohol could have been refused, In a nice way by explaining it was not allowed on campus. I am sure any corporation would have understood that.
Friend

Greenbrier, AR

#19 Jun 7, 2008
I have to agree with Emma. No one's arm was twisted to take the alcohol. If they were offered some grass, would it have been accepted? So what is the difference. Neither is allowed on campus by ADULTS or children.
Does anyone on line belong to the PTA. It has always been a big thing where I have lived. Heard nothing about it here> I would like to know more.
By the way, has anyone heard who may be running for School Board.

“God Bless You All, Real Good!”

Since: May 08

Justa Lookin' for a Home

#20 Jun 7, 2008
Friend wrote:
I have to agree with Emma. No one's arm was twisted to take the alcohol. If they were offered some grass, would it have been accepted? So what is the difference. Neither is allowed on campus by ADULTS or children.
Does anyone on line belong to the PTA. It has always been a big thing where I have lived. Heard nothing about it here> I would like to know more.
By the way, has anyone heard who may be running for School Board.
Heard the School Board is running for the border! Just a Joke! lol

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