Couple faces fraud charges; accused o...

Couple faces fraud charges; accused of illegally selling dogs for medical research

There are 42 comments on the Public Opinion story from Mar 10, 2011, titled Couple faces fraud charges; accused of illegally selling dogs for medical research. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

A Shippensburg area couple was indicted on multiple federal fraud charges related to the alleged illegal procurement and sale of hundreds of dogs to medical research facilities.

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ohno

Chambersburg, PA

#2 Mar 11, 2011
I'm afraid to ask this, but what do they do to the dogs at a research facility? I feel sick reading this too.....
Darth Vader

Chambersburg, PA

#3 Mar 11, 2011
Sounds like medical research is 'just going to the dogs"
valley girl

Chicago, IL

#4 Mar 11, 2011
this is unbelievable!
Pittsburgh-Ameri can

Greencastle, PA

#5 Mar 11, 2011
I feel heart broken after reading this. Dogs...mans best friend? Man..Dogs worst enemy.
Knows

Chambersburg, PA

#6 Mar 11, 2011
Many dogs are used by veterinary schools to practice IV drips, vaccine injections and similar activities. They are treated very well and are adopted out after the semester or school year ends, because they cannot be sold.

Even when it is a research lab, the tests tend to be FDA required steps for prescription drugs but most of those types of facilities do not use dogs.
crazy4u

Chambersburg, PA

#7 Mar 11, 2011
Gov't control again. Folks I am not for abuse of animals but we do need to do research on animals in order to provide us humans with quality medications. There is much more to this than we as the public could possibly know. The Martin's probably made some one angry in dog law, otherwise the discrepancies should have been caught a long time ago. Dog law is crooked. The Martins may loose their home and property. You should be allowed to sell your animals to whoever you want if you are breeding animals. The numbers don't matter as long as you have the correct license. In other words the more you sell the more the Agricultural gets in fees. Apparently Martin's didn't upgrade their license and pissed off DOG LAW!
Huh

Shippensburg, PA

#8 Mar 11, 2011
Open any paper and look at the Dogs for Sale or Items Free ads. The cute puppies that have grown into uncontrollable dogs. No longer wanted by their owners . How about this reason, "We're moving and we can't take the dog(s)with us." You're taking your tv and fridge with you, aren't you? Just think about what happens to these animals when you decide they are too much trouble. We had a litter of AKC pups for sale many years ago and I received a phone call from a man who wanted to purchase the entire litter, "at a reduced fee of course" I was immediately suspicious and said no. The first thing that I thought of was a horrid research facility.
acquainted

Waynesboro, PA

#9 Mar 11, 2011
crazy4u wrote:
Gov't control again. Folks I am not for abuse of animals but we do need to do research on animals in order to provide us humans with quality medications. There is much more to this than we as the public could possibly know. The Martin's probably made some one angry in dog law, otherwise the discrepancies should have been caught a long time ago. Dog law is crooked. The Martins may loose their home and property. You should be allowed to sell your animals to whoever you want if you are breeding animals. The numbers don't matter as long as you have the correct license. In other words the more you sell the more the Agricultural gets in fees. Apparently Martin's didn't upgrade their license and **** off DOG LAW!
The license was through the U.S. Department of Agriculture to buy dogs and sell them for research. Although the do have a "Kennel license" through the Pennsylvania Department of Dog Law Enforcement this was a Federal violation not State. Different set of laws for which they are being prosecuted by the US Attorney. "The Martin's probably made some one angry in dog law" statement and you using the word "probably" shows you are surmising.

When making comments it is wise to have knowledge of what you are saying.
crazy4u

Chambersburg, PA

#10 Mar 11, 2011
acquainted wrote:
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The license was through the U.S. Department of Agriculture to buy dogs and sell them for research. Although the do have a "Kennel license" through the Pennsylvania Department of Dog Law Enforcement this was a Federal violation not State. Different set of laws for which they are being prosecuted by the US Attorney. "The Martin's probably made some one angry in dog law" statement and you using the word "probably" shows you are surmising.
When making comments it is wise to have knowledge of what you are saying.
The PO artile stated: The Martins own and operate Chestnut Grove Kennel in Southampton Township, Cumberland County. Between 2005 and 2010, they were licensed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to buy dogs and sell them for research, according to the indictment. This states that are licensed to sell for research but apparently had a kennel I license that does not allow you to sell more tha 24 dogs. If you sell over 24 dogs you need get a different license and thus more money for the license. If these exceeded sales started in 2005, then why did the dog warden not see it till 2010. All of sudden The US. Dept Of Agriculture decided they sre to be fined. As I said there is more here than we know!
john

Shippensburg, PA

#11 Mar 11, 2011
LOCK THEM UP TAKE THERE PROPERTY, Treat them like Michael Vick, Its almost the same.
my opinion

Newville, PA

#12 Mar 11, 2011
I hope and pray these people get their homes taken and are sentenced to a long prison term. Our society as a whole will benefit when animal abusers and exploiters are punished and children learn what is wrong and right.
Lexi

Chambersburg, PA

#13 Mar 11, 2011
It's all about money. Greed will get you every time. Taking their property-great, putting them in jail-even better, letting them live in the dog kennels - priceless
Nowwhat

Bettendorf, IA

#14 Mar 11, 2011
I am speculating here, but I have good reason to believe the "unnamed co-conspirators" are an important. As always, follow the money. Where, when and from whom did the Martins acquire their dogs-for-research business. There are more skunks in the shadows. I hope the authorities don't rest with the Martins. Nail those who facilitated their misdeeds, too.

Since: Jan 11

Spring Grove, PA

#15 Mar 11, 2011
They can get more time for this than shooting your wife in a dark hallway.
KKK

Warrenville, IL

#16 Mar 11, 2011
Clayton L Bigsby wrote:
They can get more time for this than shooting your wife in a dark hallway.
And I hope they do get more time!
Sarah

Montgomery Village, MD

#17 Mar 11, 2011
What a waste of tax payer dollars. Go after the real criminals; IE: politicians, district and US attorneys, elected officials etc.
Tommy

Greencastle, PA

#19 Mar 11, 2011
This might help explain why so many lost dogs were never found.
cletus slack jawed yocal

United States

#21 Mar 11, 2011
I wonder how many stolen family pets were involved in their sales? just think of that dog you (lost) when really it was scooped up aand taken off to a horrible death These two bottom feeders might want to go into hiding :-0
KKK

Warrenville, IL

#22 Mar 11, 2011
crazy4u wrote:
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obiviously you are an idiot. You don't have to give your body up for medical research cause when you write or talk you prove to others that is where idiots come from. By the way my body is going for medical research when I die. I'll bet yours is going to HELL!
I am going to hell then too! Did your parents drop you on your head as a baby? These are animals do you not have an ounce of compassion? These animals were bought and sold for profit alone and these people knew that. They don't care of about medical research they were simply turning a buck. I hope they are served justice!

Stop comparing these people to other situations. Get your head out of your butt!
acquainted

Waynesboro, PA

#23 Mar 11, 2011
One recommendation for dog owners. Do not let your smaller dog out in your front yard alone. If your yard is visible from the street you are putting your dog at risk of being stolen. This goes on more than people realize and they are rarely recovered. I am not saying they are sold for research but it is possible. Many stolen dogs are used for baiting (training for fighting dogs) or for resale out of the area. Larger dogs are not as likely to be stolen but it is possible as well when they are friendly.

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