Man shot dead in Sullivan after repor...

Man shot dead in Sullivan after reported carjacking, chase, state police say

There are 61 comments on the The Post-Standard story from Mar 31, 2011, titled Man shot dead in Sullivan after reported carjacking, chase, state police say. In it, The Post-Standard reports that:

State police say one man was shot dead after a reported carjacking at a Top's Supermarket in Sherrill led to a chase along New Boston Road, ending at a dead end on John Peet Road near Canastota.

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Watertown, NY

#1 Mar 31, 2011
sad
Blah

Leland, NC

#2 Apr 1, 2011
Who was it? Does anyone know
Wuppers

Watertown, NY

#3 Apr 1, 2011
The public might never know all the details about this kid; news report on a Syracuse news station stated he was 17. That being the case, rumors might fly but odds are the full details will never be released, pending how his family wishes to handle things.
so sad

Watertown, NY

#4 Apr 1, 2011
When he got out the gun he aimed at them turned out to be a BB gun, and two cops fired four shots at him? Over kill, this just goes to show that they weren't acting to protect their lives but rather to end his. This is a tragedy and proves that something needs to change as far as the cops procedures go
so sad

Watertown, NY

#5 Apr 1, 2011
His name is Justin Arnold, 17 of Cazenovia
Life is tough

Watertown, NY

#7 Apr 1, 2011
Tougher if your stupid.

You point a gun at a cop your gonna get shot. Which of coarse is exactly what this kid wanted.

If you don't want the horns don't mess with the bull.
true

New York, NY

#9 Apr 1, 2011
you are right if you point a gun at a cop expect to be shot but they could have taken him down without killing him. look at the guy who shot his kid right infront of cops they shot him 22 times without killing him and he should have been killed for what he did.
chrismason

New York, NY

#10 Apr 1, 2011
listen he done this to his self .thepolice did nt no it was a bb gun .he called in the car jacking and gave discription of him self .lead them on high speed chase .and then pointed a gun .he knew what he was doing .deathwish or suicide?
Life is tough

Watertown, NY

#11 Apr 1, 2011
Bottom line, when the guns come out only one person is gonna be a Daddy to his kids that nite.

I woulda put two in his heart, two in his face and two behind his ear.

And if I was mad enough maybe two in his Father for raising such a stupid kid.

Shooting the gun out of the hand only works on TV.

“"Beau-Se'ant”

Since: Jan 09

Manchester

#12 Apr 1, 2011
Multiple deadly shots made on a kid brandishing a bb gun. Are we being asked to believe the kid fired on them? Now that's police expertise for you.

I'm sorry, this is HORRIFIC. I respect the police, and their need for self-preservation, but this is obviously a couple trigger-happy officers who made a terrible judgement.

“"Beau-Se'ant”

Since: Jan 09

Manchester

#13 Apr 1, 2011
Life is tough wrote:
Bottom line, when the guns come out only one person is gonna be a Daddy to his kids that nite.
I woulda put two in his heart, two in his face and two behind his ear.
And if I was mad enough maybe two in his Father for raising such a stupid kid.
Shooting the gun out of the hand only works on TV.
One can only hope you aren't a police officer. Lot's of split-second judgement and compassion should be necessary requisites to the job.

Let's not forget that the kid they shot could have been YOUR kid.
Life is tough

Watertown, NY

#14 Apr 1, 2011
"obviously a couple trigger-happy officers"

Yeah, its been a real blood bath over in 'Stoda.

Cause I know when the adrenaline is flowing and somebody jumps out with a gun you would yell for everyone to stop cause its just a BB gun.

Being able to tell that in that short a time period is why you are so awesome!!!!

The rest of us mortals just have to keep plugging along.

And I don't want it ever to be my kid but in the same situation I would expect the same result.
chrismason

New York, NY

#15 Apr 1, 2011
YOU STUPID BASTARDS .THEY CANT TELL WHAT KIND OF GUN IT IS WHEN HES SO FAR AWAY FROM THEM .LOOK AT THAT SICK BASTARD THAT SHOT HIS BABY .IF THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK ENOUGH TO POINT ANY GUN .THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE .AGAIN HE CAUSED THIS WHOLE PROBLEM .CALLED ON HIS SELF GAVE A DISCIPTION OF HIM SELF AND LEAD A HIGH SPEED CHASE HE NEW WHAT HE WAS DOING .AND HE NEW WHAT THE POSSIBLE OUTCOME WOULD BE .FEEL SORRY FOR THEIR PARENTS .AND THE COPS THEY DID NT JUST GO OUT AND SAY OH WELL MAYBE WE LL SHOT AND KILL SOME STUPID KID TODAY .

“"Beau-Se'ant”

Since: Jan 09

Manchester

#16 Apr 1, 2011
We are talking about a 17 year old kid with a BB gun. We are talking about 9 rounds being fired in one direction, 4 of which killed the kid.

If anyone here thinks that's judicious application of deadly force, you are effin nuts.

It's a disgrace.
Dearlord

Greenbrier, AR

#17 Apr 2, 2011
Well there is your Canastoda police chief Jim Zophy in action. I thought due to a personal issue, and a incident, his gun had been taken away? This don't surprise me at all Jim is involved in this death.

Since: Jan 11

United States

#18 Apr 2, 2011
I'm sorry, but I totally agree that Ten shots was Very excessive. Were there witnesses or is it now whatever the 'cops' said? A 17 year old kid is not going to take a shot in the leg or arm or even just one shot anywhere, and go into combat stance to shoot at those cops! No one will convince me otherwise, there was no reason to shoot to kill! Although that may not even have been intentional, they obviously don't have much of an aim - they just randomly shot! That KID was obviously troubled, and they should have also realized that! Yeah they will live with it the rest of their lives, but it should have went down different..
Wuppers

Watertown, NY

#19 Apr 2, 2011
Syracuse news story reported that the kid had driven into the Town of Sullivan, where he was shot.
Do Canastota officers cover Sullivan? They were well out of the Village of Canastota. Canastota is in the Town of Lenox.
The boy might have actually appeared to be "aiming" a gun at the cops, BUT...why were village officers the ones who did the shooting? State Police were involved in the chase.
In many ways I'm just not okay with how this all played out.
Story link: http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Investi...
oboy

Syracuse, NY

#20 Apr 2, 2011
the cops did a very good job there was no way the cops knew wht age he was. if you had a gun pointed at you being 20 yards away you cant tell if it was a bb gun or not so put ur feet in there shoes they made a great decision
Wuppers

Watertown, NY

#21 Apr 2, 2011
oboy wrote:
the cops did a very good job there was no way the cops knew wht age he was. if you had a gun pointed at you being 20 yards away you cant tell if it was a bb gun or not so put ur feet in there shoes they made a great decision
None of us were there. But too much information on the incident is vague. There's nothing wrong with questioning police actions -- and the public and the police have to stop thinking that no one should ever question what police do. They work for the public and like any boss, the public has the right to know every detail about an employee's performance on the job.

I put myself in a LOT of other people's shoes, as you suggest "if you had a gun pointed at you." Sometimes when you walk in another person's shoes, you find out they did a terrific job, but, sometimes you find out they made mistakes.

The State Police are investigating this incident. Investigations occur with every police shooting. Sometimes it's a cut-and-dry case and obviously an ok situation, such as when there are witnesses to a suspect shooting at a police officer, or when a police officer is shot and obviously (no brainer) has to shoot back to save his own life--we want cops to do that. In this case, however, what did witnesses see? Who are the witnesses, other than law enforcement personnel? We have not heard the entire story, and I go back to my question -- why were Canastota police the ones shooting the suspect in the Town of Sullivan, which, I believe, is not the town they cover?

Boy would I love to see a vid of what happened, but I doubt that's possible.

Remember -- questioning police actions is not wrong. Jumping to conclusions about either side's actions, suspect, or police, will occur of course. But asking questions about a tragic event like this that ended a possibly disturbed teenager's life is not wrong at all.

Since: Jan 11

United States

#22 Apr 2, 2011
The article did make a good point against my statement about ten shots being excessive. Perhaps they shot warning shots first. I still believe one Hit would have been good enough. I'm not downing the cops, I'm just saying maybe they need to brush up on some training courses...? Go to the shooting range...?

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