Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Jun 6, 2013 Full story: Denver Post 6,078

Engaged gay couple Dave Mullins, second from left, and Charlie Craig, left, were joined by a small group of supporters in Lakewood on Aug. 4, 2012 to protest and boycott the Masterpiece Cakeshop at 3355 S. Wadsworth Blvd. The couple went to the cake shop, and the owner turned the couple away saying he would not make them a rainbow-themed wedding ... (more)

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View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2555 Jul 3, 2014
The more froots and nuts you throw the more you reveal YOUR vulnerability. IT tells me you're a VICTIM waiting to happen. YOUR"E already to afraid to post anything. I dare you to post a written response,
little cowardly frightened one.
If you over-use the Judge it icons they become meaningless and easy to ignore.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2556 Jul 3, 2014
lides wrote:
I do hold a healthy contempt for anyone who argues for equality under the law,
Do you even believe you? KA-BOOM!

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#2557 Jul 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
Do you even believe you? KA-BOOM!
Wondering, have you come up with the compelling state interest served by limiting marriage to being between a man and a woman that would render such a restriction constitutional, or are you still an idiot?

Your reply seems to indicate the latter.

Once again, you come to the defense of one who does not even dispute the fact that they broke the law. You aren't very smart, are you Wondering?
View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2558 Jul 3, 2014
To be fair and HONEST,
All of you are WAY more intelligent and interesting than the folks on the Prop 8 forum in California. Besides, the ssm law already exists in Cali.
The cake is more fun,'cuz no ones figured out there's nine other bakeries in Denver. I Know about transporting wedding cakes - Bakeries drive 'em across Los Angeles every day.
View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2559 Jul 3, 2014
"I do hold a healthy contempt for anyone who argues for equality under the law, while at the same time arguing that people should be able to project their religious morals onto others be discriminating against them."
Why the f*ck is it that when I have the COMPLETE statement-
I CAN understand it?!
That's because the FULL statement shows that lides understands the concept of TWO FACED. That's what he's describing.
View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2560 Jul 3, 2014
Also the concept of:
"I can do it to you legally, but it should be illegal for you to do it to me".
That's pathological, possibly terminal hypocrisy.
View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2561 Jul 3, 2014
sooo on post #2558, what is it about everyday life that gets you all werked up with the Judge it button?
Are you too violent and scary to post a statement?
Too Creeeepy?
Just afraid someone will embarrass you?
It's ok I love you anyway-
C'mon baby, say somethin' to us.
View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2562 Jul 3, 2014
You have nothing. How does it feel to be a monster.?
If YOU keep this up i'll post irrelevant icons on every posting going back a ways so NO ONE will be free of YOU.
Send one more.
View of Eternity

Hemet, CA

#2563 Jul 3, 2014
If this is coming from anyone presently posting you posts will be as trashed AND as LOST as mine are.
Send one more irrelevant /IN-appropriate/OFF Topic
icon.
Real Denver

Hemet, CA

#2564 Jul 3, 2014
Associated Press
By IVAN MORENO
June 6, 2013 6:04 PM
DENVER (AP) A gay couple is pursuing a discrimination complaint against a Colorado bakery, saying the business refused them a wedding cake to honor their Massachusetts ceremony, and alleging that the owners have a history of turning away same-sex couples.
As more states move to legalize same-sex marriage and civil unions, the case highlights a growing tension between gay rights advocates and supporters of religious freedom.
"Religious freedom is a fundamental right in America and it's something that we champion at the ACLU," said Mark Silverstein, the legal director of the group in Colorado, which filed the complaint on behalf of the couple. "We are all entitled to our religious beliefs and we fight for that. But someone's personal religious beliefs don't justify breaking the law by discriminating against others in the public sphere."
The attorney for Jack Phillips, one of the owners of Masterpiece Cakeshop, sees it differently.
"We don't believe that this is a case about commerce. At its heart, this is a case about conscience," said Nicolle Martin. She said the matter is important because it will serve as an example for future cases across the country as more gay couples gain legal recognitions for their relationships.
"It brings it to the forefront. I just don't think that we should heighten one person's beliefs over and above another person's beliefs," she said.
The Colorado Attorney General's office filed a formal complaint last week after the ACLU initiated the process last year on behalf of David Mullins and Charlie Craig. The case is scheduled for a hearing in September before Colorado's Civil Rights Commission.
Nationwide, 12 states now allow gay marriage, with Rhode Island, Delaware and Minnesota doing so this year. And in a year that Colorado lawmakers approved civil unions, they also elected the first gay Speaker of the House.
But Colorado's civil union law does not provide religious protections for businesses despite the urging of Republican lawmakers. Democrats argued that such a provision would give businesses cover to discriminate.
Mullins, 28, and Craig, 33, filed the discrimination complaint against Phillips after visiting his business in suburban Denver last summer. After a few minutes looking at pictures of different cakes, the couple said Phillips told them he wouldn't make one for them when he found out it was to celebrate their wedding in Colorado after they got married in Massachusetts. Phillips has said making a wedding cake for gay couples would violate his Christian religious beliefs, according to the complaint.
"We were all very upset, but I was angry and I felt dehumanized and mortified," Mullins said. He said he vented his frustration on Facebook and was surprised at how "the story ended up catching fire," with responses from local media and bloggers in other countries posting about it.
"We felt that the best way to honor the support that they had given us was to follow this complaint through," he said. In the process, the ACLU said they found out about two other gay couples who had been refused a wedding cake from the same shop. Both have written affidavits in support of the discrimination claim.
Recent advances on gay rights only underscore Colorado's difficult past on the issue. In 2006, voters banned gay marriage. More notably, in 1992, voters approved a ban on municipal antidiscrimination laws to protect gays, leading some to brand Colorado a "hate state." Four years later, the U.S. Supreme Court said the law, known as Amendment 2, was unconstitutional.
The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to "cease and desist" the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone.
If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said.

As of now
nothing new.
Real Denver

Hemet, CA

#2565 Jul 3, 2014
Associated Press
By IVAN MORENO
June 6, 2013 6:04 PM
DENVER (AP) A gay couple is pursuing a discrimination complaint against a Colorado bakery, saying the business refused them a wedding cake to honor their Massachusetts ceremony, and alleging that the owners have a history of turning away same-sex couples.

As more states move to legalize same-sex marriage and civil unions, the case highlights a growing tension between gay rights advocates and supporters of religious freedom.

"Religious freedom is a fundamental right in America and it's something that we champion at the ACLU," said Mark Silverstein, the legal director of the group in Colorado, which filed the complaint on behalf of the couple. "We are all entitled to our religious beliefs and we fight for that. But someone's personal religious beliefs don't justify breaking the law by discriminating against others in the public sphere."

The attorney for Jack Phillips, one of the owners of Masterpiece Cakeshop, sees it differently.

"We don't believe that this is a case about commerce. At its heart, this is a case about conscience," said Nicolle Martin. She said the matter is important because it will serve as an example for future cases across the country as more gay couples gain legal recognitions for their relationships.

"It brings it to the forefront. I just don't think that we should heighten one person's beliefs over and above another person's beliefs," she said.

The Colorado Attorney General's office filed a formal complaint last week after the ACLU initiated the process last year on behalf of David Mullins and Charlie Craig. The case is scheduled for a hearing in September before Colorado's Civil Rights Commission.

Nationwide, 12 states now allow gay marriage, with Rhode Island, Delaware and Minnesota doing so this year. And in a year that Colorado lawmakers approved civil unions, they also elected the first gay Speaker of the House.

But Colorado's civil union law does not provide religious protections for businesses despite the urging of Republican lawmakers. Democrats argued that such a provision would give businesses cover to discriminate.

Mullins, 28, and Craig, 33, filed the discrimination complaint against Phillips after visiting his business in suburban Denver last summer. After a few minutes looking at pictures of different cakes, the couple said Phillips told them he wouldn't make one for them when he found out it was to celebrate their wedding in Colorado after they got married in Massachusetts. Phillips has said making a wedding cake for gay couples would violate his Christian religious beliefs, according to the complaint.

"We were all very upset, but I was angry and I felt dehumanized and mortified," Mullins said. He said he vented his frustration on Facebook and was surprised at how "the story ended up catching fire," with responses from local media and bloggers in other countries posting about it.

"We felt that the best way to honor the support that they had given us was to follow this complaint through," he said. In the process, the ACLU said they found out about two other gay couples who had been refused a wedding cake from the same shop. Both have written affidavits in support of the discrimination claim.

Recent advances on gay rights only underscore Colorado's difficult past on the issue. In 2006, voters banned gay marriage. More notably, in 1992, voters approved a ban on municipal antidiscrimination laws to protect gays, leading some to brand Colorado a "hate state." Four years later, the U.S. Supreme Court said the law, known as Amendment 2, was unconstitutional.

The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to "cease and desist" the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone.

If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said.
It's 7/3/14.
nothing newer
to report
Cedric n Herbbie

Anonymous Proxy

#2566 Jul 3, 2014
A local bakery around the corner Miff's smell it all the time when i have a window open refused to make our wedding cake because we are gay tootie fruity SS same sex couple yet loyal customers till now! we even whispered the instruction and specifications i tried not to lisp i can'y help it i was born this way i jumped out of the closet on my 35th birthday and i never looked back except when i do a reach around know what i mean sure you do you perv.*Well anyway the baker Toni refused to make us a wedding cake because of his religious beliefs [born into him] for our SS marriage .. boo hoo our feelings were deeply disturbed went through a whole box of tissues boo hoo feel sorry for me i am so pathetic. The baker is a compassionate man but firm in his beliefs offered a friendly jester to make them a big batch of Colorado famous world wide brownies. SS couple stop crying and hugging each other on the floor swimming in a pool of there own urine. The couple whispered back in forth in their ears said waaa i am to sick and upset my feelings are shambled i cannot eat any famous Colorado brownies then the other one could not Stop crying finally cried himself to sleep on my floor. true story
After 45 minutes the baker woke up the SS couple both snoring on the floor one was sucking his thumb by banging two cake pans together finally the SS couple awakened i offered them coffee showed them my bible and pointed to every cross on the wall and a small shrine behind my desk. Finally #1 SS homo reached in hiz purse and pulled out ...... to be continued

*'Well' deep subject for a shallow mind
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2567 Jul 3, 2014
lides wrote:
Once again, you come to the defense of one who does not even dispute the fact that they broke the law. You aren't very smart, are you Wondering?
He disagrees with that law, so do I. Did you see that the supreme court now says that the baker is a "person" with "religious rights?" This should be fun.

You said:
"I do hold a healthy contempt for anyone who argues for equality under the law"

Why is that?

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#2568 Jul 3, 2014
View of Eternity wrote:
This, being DEMANDED by people who treat sex like nothing more than havin' a stinky. NOT HAPPENING.
"I was traveling in Tennessee and I saw a bumper sticker I'll never forget. It said, HOMOSEXUAL: Every Good Southern Family Has One."
---Former New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#2569 Jul 3, 2014
Real Denver wrote:
Associated Press
..........
If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said.
It's 7/3/14.
nothing newer
to report
It's odd to me that so many are outraged that someone who broke the law is fined.

None of you have a problem with jailing ministers in Indiana who perform SSM.

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#2570 Jul 3, 2014
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
He disagrees with that law, so do I. Did you see that the supreme court now says that the baker is a "person" with "religious rights?" This should be fun.
You said:
"I do hold a healthy contempt for anyone who argues for equality under the law"
Why is that?
It's odd to me that so many are outraged that someone who broke the law is fined.

None of you have a problem with jailing ministers in Indiana who perform SSM.

Why is that?
Real Denver

Hemet, CA

#2571 Jul 3, 2014
1. "Religious freedom is a fundamental right in America and it's something that we champion at the ACLU," said Mark Silverstein, the legal director of the group in Colorado, which filed the complaint on behalf of the couple. "We are all entitled to our religious beliefs and we fight for that. But someone's personal religious beliefs don't justify breaking the law by discriminating against others in the public sphere."

2. " The attorney for Jack Phillips, one of the owners of Masterpiece Cakeshop, sees it differently.
"We don't believe that this is a case about commerce. At its heart, this is a case about conscience," said Nicolle Martin."

commerce? Colorado commerce law?

3. "the ACLU said they found out about two other gay couples who had been refused a wedding cake from the same shop. Both have written affidavits in support of the discrimination claim."

4. "The Colorado Attorney General's office filed a formal complaint last week after the ACLU initiated the process last year on behalf of David Mullins and Charlie Craig. The case is scheduled for a hearing in September before Colorado's Civil Rights Commission"

5. "The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to "cease and desist" the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone."

6. "If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said"

7. gotta find that commerce law if it exists
.....nooo rest for the wicked...
Real Denver

Hemet, CA

#2572 Jul 3, 2014
"Contracts are formed when the following three elements are present: an offer, an acceptance, and consideration. For an offer to be valid, specific rules must be followed. The offer must be made to an identified party, and it must set forth definite and certain terms. The offer must also demonstrate a present intent to enter into an agreement. Similarly, the other party must properly accept the offer in order for a contract to be formed. In most situations, a valid acceptance must mirror the offer. A purported acceptance that adds new terms to the deal will not count. Instead, it will be treated only as a counteroffer."
http://www.hg.org/commerc.html
There was never a contract; the baker never agreed to accept the terms of the contract, nor did he ever accept payment for
making a wedding cake for Dave n Charlie
Real Denver

Hemet, CA

#2573 Jul 3, 2014
O.K. AT Last !- this is soooo easy to post-
https://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/charlie-crai...

Why do you insult each other when you can just copy n paste
the facts to back your positions on issues?
If you want to get all Stress-Induced Cancer over something
just try acting in service to a better future.
Now that's a stressful job that's at least worth doing.

I'm gonna go see if Masterpiece will make a Oakland Raiders wedding cake with one single Bronco topper.
And you have NO IDEA how glad I am there's longstanding Colorado law on this
Real Denver

Hemet, CA

#2574 Jul 3, 2014
*Oh, I don't know*
it was just the most vulgar thing I could think of for a Denver cake shop.

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