head up on the railroad from carthag...

head up on the railroad from carthage to newton fall

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ryan

Ithaca, NY

#1 Nov 11, 2013
if your a landowner that has land along the railroad tracks from carthage to newton falls your land is most likely being trapped..the railroad has a guy hired to trap beaver along the tracks and at the same time he,s making sets for other animals..look for five gallon buckets along the tracks..and for the record they have no legal right to go over the old fence along the tracks.once they step over that fence there on your land and can be arrested..i,ve already checked into it.. they,ll also give you a line of crap about having a destroy permit for the beavers..thats buls%#t.the DEC/state won,t give out permits when beaver trapping season is open..which it has been since nov/1/13
stalker

Ithaca, NY

#2 Nov 11, 2013
Not true ,as I have gotten permits to destroy problem beaver dams during beaver trapping season. Its been awhile ,probably 10-12 yrs. ago.
Watchin

Winchester, MA

#3 Nov 11, 2013
He won't like it if he steps one foot over that fence on my property....he won't like it one bit!!!!
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#4 Nov 11, 2013
lol things change a lot in 15 years.
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#5 Nov 11, 2013
this is straight from the new York state dec website..only landowners can get permits to take beaver off there land..the railroad owns NO LAND!! so how do they get permits for beaver??

Section 11-0505 states that no person is allowed at any time to disturb a beaver's dam, house or den without written permission from the DEC. This permit will be issued to the person or organization which is being damaged or affected or may potentially be affected. If the permittee (affected party) does not own or legally control the site where the beaver's dam is located, it is the permittee's responsibility to obtain permission to go on lands he/she does not own or legally control to carry out the permitted actions.

Section 11-0521 authorizes the DEC to issue permits for the removal of nuisance beavers. This permit will be issued to the landowner upon whose land the problem is occurring, an adjacent landowner upon whose land the beaver resides or either landowner's agent. The permittee may designate in writing an agent who will kill the beav
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#6 Nov 11, 2013
over the years i,ve almost been shot by the railroad crew and so have the landowners next to me..i,ve had my personal property washed away and lost because the railroad blew the dam out at the same time they almost washed out the state highway right next to the state DOT building in Harrisville,in the pass the railroad crew has shot many deer off the private landowners along the railroad..when,it snows overnite and theres fresh man tracks coming right off the railroad going to a bloody spot and a deer bed in the snow and you see in the snow where they dragged a deer back between the track then it,s gone you know it was loaded in the truck that runs the railroad.one time they blew the dam out and a day later i walked over to the hole in the dam and there layed a unexploded stick of powder with the blasting cap stil in it.they used two sticks and one worked and the other one didn,t and was laying there very much alive..good thing i was some young kid "hey cool look at this"" then played with it.
Watchin

Winchester, MA

#7 Nov 11, 2013
Ryan I am on board with you, but u might want to tone it down a little. Starting to sound like u have a grudge against RR!!! I could care less about that, but do care and will make sure they do not come onto MY land!!!
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#8 Nov 12, 2013
I,am just stating what happened over the years because I don,t want the same thing to happen to other landowners.i know some of what happened to me has happened to other landowners..matter of fact one day the owner next to us called and told us to watch ourselves..his hunting party had just finished a deer drive and was standing just in the brush along the tracks the rr crew came along and fired a shot right out of the truck window.
Brian

Star Lake, NY

#9 Nov 12, 2013
ryan wrote:
if your a landowner that has land along the railroad tracks from carthage to newton falls your land is most likely being trapped..the railroad has a guy hired to trap beaver along the tracks and at the same time he,s making sets for other animals..look for five gallon buckets along the tracks..and for the record they have no legal right to go over the old fence along the tracks.once they step over that fence there on your land and can be arrested..i,ve already checked into it.. they,ll also give you a line of crap about having a destroy permit for the beavers..thats buls%#t.the DEC/state won,t give out permits when beaver trapping season is open..which it has been since nov/1/13
No true ryan.I just got a permit on 11/7 to get rid of a beaver and his dam.
so if u need a special permit all you have to do is call DEC in Potsdam or watertown and they will email or mail you one.
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#10 Nov 12, 2013
well they must have changed things because in the summer of 2012 I had a permit and right on it it said expires the day before beaver season opens...and a question for you brian:why do you even need a permit to get rid of a beaver now?? beaver trapping season is open till spring just trap it if you have a trapping licence..now to get rid of a dam is a whole nother matter you need a permit to even touch a beaver dam any time of year and I bet that what you have.

plus I,de like to know how the railroad can get permits..only landowners can get permits and they don,t own one square inch of land on that set of tracks...even tho they say they do own it.
really

Medford, MA

#11 Nov 12, 2013
You might want to check a tax map and see what the RR does own. 40+ acres in st. Lawrence county alone. You can be arrested for trespass on RR property
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#12 Nov 13, 2013
EALLY:if you own land wth the railroad on it..cal the real property office in canton and as them if you pay taxes n the land under the railroad..if you pay the taxes you own it..and that came right from the real property office about two weeks ago.we had issues with the amount of land the county said we owned so we called them..over the years this land had been chopped up and we where still paying for one large chunk of the cut off acreage.while talking to the county we asked about the railroad and found out we still pay taxes on that part and was told that we still own it and have to pay the taxes on it because WE
do own it.
stalker

Ithaca, NY

#13 Nov 13, 2013
st. Lawrence county IDA owned the right of way as does lewis county . st Lawrence county IDA deeded the right of way back to the railroad last year.]
Thomas

Northville, NY

#14 Nov 13, 2013
Ryan: Just because you pay taxes on something doesn't necessarily mean you own it. I pay school taxes. Does this mean I own the school? No. The railroad has something called a "right of way" which is the land that surrounds both sides of the tracks. The average right of way on the newton falls line is 50 feet both sides from the center of the track. So like it or not, the railroad owns a MASSIVE amount of land up that way. Take into consideration what "really" said. Trespassing on RR property is a federal offense whether the line is in service or not and trust me, they don't mess around. Even threatening or harming a railroad employee is a federal offense. So my suggestion to you or any of you is if you see a railroad employee, be nice. 99.9% of the posted signs designating others private land ARE within the RR right of way. What does this mean? Landowners are trespassing on RR property to prevent trespassers on theirs. So if landowners are going to make such a big stink about someone on their land, then they should probably practice what they preach and move their signs back a good 10-15 feet to a different tree or on the other side of the fence. Even though the current fence there has mostly fallen down and rusted through out the years, its STILL the boundary. I don't blame you for being pissed about someone trapping on your land Ryan but do keep this in mind buddy, if you confront this person who is trapping and you are standing on RR property he can easily have you arrested. Again, be nice.
Watchin

West Hartford, CT

#15 Nov 13, 2013
I watch my fence daily!! If someone takes one step across it, federal or not, they better have a warrant signed by a judge and it better be visible......just sayin!!!! Oh and ps. They do "own" their land by me!! My long property line borders "new York central and Hudson River RR" according to my abstract, so u guys might want to check on that "ROW" talk!!!
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#16 Nov 13, 2013
well on my deed the railroad has "a right to pass" over my land.. that's how my deed reads...so what does that mean?? I own a chuck of land that is totally surrounded by another landowner and my deed reads that I have a "right of way" totally different working so what does either one mean??
and another thing federal law ontransportation read that no commercial vecihel can have any weapons in it..does a train and/or the trucks that run the railroad fall under that law?? if so how do the guy that maintain the tracks and shoot MY beaver get away with it??
and as far as the taxes/school deal yes in a way you do own the school..
ryan

Ithaca, NY

#17 Nov 13, 2013
THOHMAS:so what your saying in the above post is..because the railroad has ROW they own the land even tho my family pays taxes on it..thats how I read your post anyhow..well if that's what our really saying your wrong..like I said I own a chuck of land that has a ROW to it..i don,t leaglly own it and I don,t pay the taxes on it.the other landowner does own it and he pays the axes on it.
andfor the record what I said about paying the taxes and thus owning the land came right straight from the real property office in canton,ny..so I guess somebody best set them straight.
what the railroad OWNS is a set of iron rails,a bunch of wooden ties and tons of ballast stone..they don,t own the land under or beside it.
stalker

Ithaca, NY

#18 Nov 14, 2013
If a beaver dams a stream on your property and the water floods a railroad causing damage to the ballast or causes a train to derail are you liable for damages? I know I wouldn't want to pay that bill! I don't see a problem with removing beaver when they pose a threat to property. Highway departments do it all the time to protect lives and property.
Thomas

Northville, NY

#19 Nov 14, 2013
Ryan: Do me a favor? Before you make yourself sound any dumber...learn how to spell. Maybe work on grammar as well? The RR runs into the problem all the time with people saying they pay tax on the land that the RR runs on. Well guess what, life's a bitch eh? Like it or not, they own it. Just like "stalker" said, the land was deeded back to the RR from St. Lawrence County IDA. If you really think you own the land the track sits on but not the track itself, God help you. Did you get into a pissing match with the IDA BEFORE they deeded the property back? Probably not. Sorry pal, but looks like your days of using the RR right of way anytime you please are over.

ps. If you really feel the need to make a big stink about someone trapping beavers, you should probably get a hobby.
Cantor

Schenectady, NY

#20 Nov 14, 2013
The RR owns the property!!!! At least in Jefferson and Lewis counties!! And down the the beavers!!!! They are natures troublemakers!!!

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