Spainhour Doesn't Protect Children

Spainhour Doesn't Protect Children

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Concerned

Glasgow, KY

#1 Oct 18, 2010
Request that this woman recuse herself if you are in her courtroom. She was recently a special judge in Barren County in a case involving child sex abuse. The 5 year old child told Judge Spainhour that her grandfather touched her privates, immediately after the grandfather stated that he had never touched her or even given her a bath. There were 2 hours of testimony from the girl’s professional counselor, in which the counselor revealed even more disturbing things that the child disclosed to her. I won't get in to the details, as they are quite disturbing. Spainhour stated in the preliminary hearing that if she made a mistake, it would be a mistake that ensured the child's safety. In her final statements, Judge Spainhour said that she might be wrong. But she decided to let the grandfather see the child, because the child said "she loved him and would like to see him." The child was 3 years old at the time of the incidents, none of which are violent. Any of you with a 3 year old child realize that the child did not know that what the grandfather was doing was wrong. I am posting this so people know that their child is not safe if left up to the discretion of Judge Spainhour. I pray for all children and their safety. I pray that nobody reading this ever has to go through such a horrible experience. I pray that the little girl in Barren County is safe. I pray for her mother and stepfather. I pray that the grandfather changes his ways, though I don't think that is possible. I pray that Judge Spainhour might one day protect innocent children. If I lived in Bullitt County, I would campaign against her to the best of my ability. Our innocent children should never be put in harms way. And in case anyone is wondering about the biological father, he is currently facing multiple felonies, but still has visitation rights. I ask you all, please pray for this little girl. And if you want your child to be safe, request that Judge Spainhour recuse herself from your case. Best wishes.

Since: Oct 10

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#2 Oct 18, 2010
What a sad situation. Too bad this wasn't a jury trial. Does Spainhour have any children? It sure doesn't seem like it. I hope the little girl is ok. Karma is a bitch. I would not want the karma of the grandfather or the judge. Sounds like she really dropped the ball on this one.
Bullitt County Citizen

Social Circle, GA

#3 Oct 18, 2010
I am sure this is one side of the story and the grandfather has another side. Before someone jumps to a conclusion both sides ought to be out there. For example did she order someone be with the grandfather when the child is around? Did the grandfather deny inappropriate things? Did the child tell others she had not been abused? Was there a consistent story or did the child tell a therapist one thing, the judge one thing, a social one thing? She is a human and I have heard her say before she tries not to make mistakes. I am sure she listened to both sides and did what she thought was best. She may not be perfect but we think she is doing a pretty good job here.
Confused

Bradfordsville, KY

#4 Oct 18, 2010
Ok, "Concerned" is worried about Judge Spainhour's judgement. But why would "Concerned" ever think it was appropriate to discuss in a public forum the details of a young child's life? I routinely work with young children and Judge Spainhour. There are always 3 sides to a case, his, hers and the truth. From what Concerned stated, it doesn't sound like the police were involved, so there was no crime. It seems "Concerned" is acting on emotion rather than the facts. Judge Spainhour always has the best interest of the children at heart. No one is perfect, but a Judge must make a decision based on FACT not emotion. I hope Concerned can come to terms with this, or she will never have peace.
There Too

Glasgow, KY

#5 Oct 18, 2010
Bless this family. We all know when the family will get peace. When time takes its toll. You people just don't understand.
Sat In Courtroom Part One

Glasgow, KY

#6 Oct 18, 2010
First off, the police were involved. However, because of the nature of the crime, there was no physical evidence. We all know what that means. The criminal case was eventually closed and handled in family court. Does that mean that a crime did not occur, or that the grandfather did nothing wrong? Does that mean that there was no other evidence of wrong doing? After hearing what the child disclosed to the mother, stepfather, her counselor, and numerous others, the local family court judge ordered that the grandfather not become within 500 feet of the child. This order stood for nearly two years. The local judge recused himself and Spainhour came in. Spainhour accused the grandfather of lying about touching the child. Spainhour said that the mother did not make up the story. Spainhour got a report from the police about the grandfather threatening to shoot a witness in the courthouse. Spainhour interviewed the little girl. The little girl's story was consistent with what the mother, stepfather, and counselor testified to. Spainhour told the grandfather that he lied. Spainhour said that the reason the child disclosed everything to the counselor is because her mother got upset when she heard her daughter tell what happened. In other words, Spainhour stated that the little girl dreamed everything up on her own because her mother cried when she heard what happened. She ordered that the grandfather should be able to see the girl, under the supervision of his girlfriend. And as "Concerned" stated, Spainhour gave the grandfather rights to see the child because the child said she wanted to see him. I understand why "Concerned" posted this thread. Because he/she wants people to know what happened. This thread is not putting anyone in danger. I sat in that courtroom. I heard the facts. Judge Spainhour completely disregarded the testimony of the girl's counselor. My impression is that she simply wanted to get back to Bullitt County, she was tired of fooling with the case, or you guys have some really messed up stuff happen up there that doesn't compare to what happened here. If that is the case, I feel sorry for you all. I sat in the courtroom, so don't talk to me about facts. The bottom line is that the judge ignored the facts. Anyone in the courtroom that day will tell you the same thing, aside from the child molester. If anything happens to that child, I hope the family does everything in their power to have Judge Spainhour pay for the role she played. Over 90% of child sex abuse victims say they want to see the abuser again. I don't have time to list every detail of the trial. All I can tell you is that the facts were stacked against the grandfather and that Judge Spainhour completely ignored them based on two things.
Sat In Courtroom Part Two

Glasgow, KY

#7 Oct 18, 2010
The mother cried when her daughter disclosed, causing the girl to dream up stuff to tell the counselor.

The child said “yes, I would like to see him again."

I see you all are quick to judge too. I wish you could have witnessed the trial. Perhaps your judge is a bit more careful in her own county, where she has to worry about getting reelected.

Fact: Judge Spainhour accused the grandfather of lying about touching the girl

Fact: The testimony of the counselor was completely consistent and even more detailed than what the child told the mother.

Fact: The child told the judge that the biological father had taken her to her grandfather’s against a court order.

Fact: Judge Spainhour stated that the grandfather would stand on a stack of Bible’s and lie about touching the child.

Fact: Judge Spainhour stated that the mother did not coach the child.

Fact: Judge Spainhour stated that she knew the grandfather threatened a witness in the courthouse.

Fact: Judge Spainhour stated that the child is not scared of the grandfather and wants to see him.

Fact: Judge Spainhour ordered that the grandfather take anger management classes and not touch the child.

Fact: Judge Spainhour stated that the child probably disclosed details to the counselor because of the mother’s reaction when the child originally disclosed. Therefore, anything disclosed to the counselor must be disregarded.

Fact: The child has been seeing a counselor for a year and will continue to do so.

If you were not there don’t judge.
Was There

AOL

#8 Oct 19, 2010
I was in the courtroom as well. The child told the person at the BRAAC no one abused her, no one touched her, no one harmed her. The child told the judge the grandfather put medicine on her. The child told the judge her grandfather did not hurt her. The child was sent to a therapist two weeks after this BRAAC interview by the mother's lawyer. Then the therapist was not told the child had already been interviewed and denied any abuse. The therapist said the child repeated the allegation twice using the same words each time then never said it again. This therapist was not even seeing the child once a month. The mother and the stepfather told different accounts of what was said. The child gave another version to the judge. At this point we are talking four different accounts. The judge said the mother went ballistic instead of talking to the child calmly to find out what went on. The judge said after all of these accusations were made the grandfather would never admit he put salve on the child. The problem here is the mother did not get what she wanted. The grandfather has supervised visits. The judge said she had to do that not because she thought he was guilty but because everyone needed extra witnesses due to the accusations. The judge did the best she could do with a bunch of vengeful angry adults and said both sides were at fault for putting the child through all this. Protective services unsubstantiated the abuse report. No criminal action was taken. The juvenile court case was dismissed because this was a visitation dispute. The mother put on the EPO she took out the child "forgot" to tell the BRAAC she was abused. That case got dismissed as well. The judge has driven to Glasgow on at least two occasions for hearings and spent a day and one half hearing the evidence. Oh, BTW, no evidence was given any witness was threatened. The grandfather popped off about a gun going through the security. He had no weapon and security just let him on through like that they would anyone else. The mother's next door neighbor (a city cop) heard it and tried to take a criminal complaint and got turned down. Tell both sides of the story.
Just saying

Bradfordsville, KY

#9 Oct 19, 2010
I've always known Judge Spainhour to be a fair Judge. She stands up for the rights of children. Clearly, this woman has an axe to grind. This is not Judge Spainhour's fault. As a family court Judge, you have to make the best choice with what you have to work with. The fact that no one seems to be happy tells me that Judge Spainhour did her job.
worried

Bardstown, KY

#10 Oct 19, 2010
I have known Spainhour for quite afew years.Never thought I would be saying this but reacently in Bullitt co.I personly know of a case were a eldery grandmother was beaten and thrown from her house by the grandaughter which was living with her.The grandughter also has 3 childern also living with them.The police were called.Grandaughter went to jail.Got out.Now the grandaughter terrorizes her. the grandmother went to Walt Sholars to get an EPO they were successfull the EPO was issued, the grandaughter appeared at school and was not supposed to be within 500 feet of the kids or the grandmother. when police were called they got a phone call from Spainhour telling them not to enforce the EPO on the grandaughter. Now, im concerned that the grandmother is in serious danger the grandaughter is on drugs and very violent, this is been proven on more than one occasion. the grandmother is close to 80yrs old this is totally unexceptable and nobody can understand why. so this gave me a totally different outlook on judge spainhour.
Both Sides

Social Circle, GA

#11 Oct 19, 2010
Walt Sholar's office does not do EPOs. The Clerk does the EPO which is then heard by the judge. The judge probably permitted the mother to have supervised contact with the children and 500 feet away at all other times. If she was supervised at school, there should not be a problem. If the granddaughter has violated the EPO in reference to the grandmother, the grandmother needs to file a contempt motion or a criminal complaint. As whoever it was wrote above, there are always two sides to something. The people that get on here and are upset usually don't give both sides of the story. Even if you are friend of the person you might want to think if you know all the facts or just one side.
Be Fair

Glasgow, KY

#12 Oct 19, 2010
To "Was There"

You are either the grandfather or didn't hear a thing that day. I was there. I'm not part of either party involved. First off, it is not uncommon for young children to not disclose in Bowling Green. The doctor specifically stated in his deposition that he would not say whether or not this child had been abused. Lack of physical evidence does not equal no abuse. Also, the attorney had nothing to do with the child seeing a therapist. The mother and stepfather made that decision. It was also recommended by the people in Bowling Green. You simply made that up. The mother and stepfather did not give different accounts of what happened. The judge clearly stated that the mother and stepfather did not make this up and that she did not believe they were out to get revenge on anyone. Did you not hear that part either? The judge simply justified her decision by the girl's statement that she would like to see him again. Your final statement is also a lie. If the grandfather never made a threat to anyone, why was there extra security in the courtroom? Why did the judge read a written statement from the Bailiff that stated that the grandfather looked a witness in the eye and mentioned shooting him between the eyes? Why did the judge order the grandfather to take anger management classes? I don't know what the grandfather did to the little girl. But the girl told the judge that he touched her down there, shortly after he got done saying he had never even given her a bath. Maybe he lied because he was scared it would get blown out of proportion. Maybe he did something worse. I don't know. BTW, the judge NEVER used the word ballistic in her statement. I feel sorry for this little girl. I couldn't imagine being the mother either. She was simply trying to protect her child. Revenge? The judge didn't see it that way. Why do you? What would you do if you had a 3 year old daughter tell you that her grandfather jerked her panties off and put his hands down there? And that is just the beginning. Other details from the therapist don't need to be mentioned. What would you do if it was your child? Rarely will you see any charges filed if there is no physical evidence. That's what makes child abuse cases so tricky. However, your account of what happened in the courtroom is way off. Funny you point fingers at the mother and stepfather. Tell me this. Who was recently charged with fleeing and evading police first degree (auto), fleeing and evading police first degree (foot), first degree wanton endangerment, disregarding 4 stop lights, grand theft auto, and falsely reporting a stolen vehicle? Who said in court that he was "dependant" on drugs but not "addicted." Who violated court orders and told the child to lie about going to her grandfathers?(the judge pointed that out too) I'll give you a hint. It was not the mother or the stepfather. Neither one of them have ever been in any trouble. Like I said, I don't know what exactly the grandfather did. He may have done something little and the girl exaggerated. One thing we do know, the little girl will be safe when the biological father is serving jail time for his multiple felonies. I pray for all parties involved. Especially the little girl. I found it odd that the judge said she might be wrong. She must not have been 100% confident in her decision. Judges are human. They make mistakes. I remember a case in Barren County when a judge ordered a mother to let her child see a relative. The relative ended up shooting the child, then killing himself. Let's hope and pray that judge Spainhour did not put this child in harm's way.
Vote Her Out

Lexington, KY

#13 Oct 20, 2010
I know this girl whos kids got taken away and given to their dad when the mom has never been in trouble and the dad has a drug record a mile long.Since then he has gotten into more trouble with drugs and still has the kids.Is that being FAIR!!
i dont know

Pewee Valley, KY

#14 Apr 13, 2011
the justice system suks....
really

Goshen, KY

#15 Apr 13, 2011
always 2 sides to every story
I support the Judge

Louisville, KY

#16 Apr 14, 2011
Been in the court room, she is very thorough in before making decisions,She does what is best for the children. Whether a dad or a mom has had previous drug records or whatever,people do change when they have children, and then there are some who dont. She is very fair in every situation. And like "really" says two sides to every story and everyone is entitled to their own opinions,just sayin.
just a reader

Byron, GA

#17 Apr 14, 2011
There is always 2 sides to every story, what I wonder is how does judge Spainhour know which side is the truth? I'm in a situation where my babies can get really hurt,I can only tell the truth, but the dad is telling lies, and I can't tell the judge, HEY THAT MAN IS LYING,as you well know you can't speak,your layer has to do that for you. I only pray when she makes the choice, she can tell the lies from the truth!!!!!!!
Really

Louisville, KY

#18 Apr 14, 2011
Be Fair wrote:
To "Was There"
You are either the grandfather or didn't hear a thing that day. I was there. I'm not part of either party involved. First off, it is not uncommon for young children to not disclose in Bowling Green. The doctor specifically stated in his deposition that he would not say whether or not this child had been abused. Lack of physical evidence does not equal no abuse. Also, the attorney had nothing to do with the child seeing a therapist. The mother and stepfather made that decision. It was also recommended by the people in Bowling Green. You simply made that up. The mother and stepfather did not give different accounts of what happened. The judge clearly stated that the mother and stepfather did not make this up and that she did not believe they were out to get revenge on anyone. Did you not hear that part either? The judge simply justified her decision by the girl's statement that she would like to see him again. Your final statement is also a lie. If the grandfather never made a threat to anyone, why was there extra security in the courtroom? Why did the judge read a written statement from the Bailiff that stated that the grandfather looked a witness in the eye and mentioned shooting him between the eyes? Why did the judge order the grandfather to take anger management classes? I don't know what the grandfather did to the little girl. But the girl told the judge that he touched her down there, shortly after he got done saying he had never even given her a bath. Maybe he lied because he was scared it would get blown out of proportion. Maybe he did something worse. I don't know. BTW, the judge NEVER used the word ballistic in her statement. I feel sorry for this little girl. I couldn't imagine being the mother either. She was simply trying to protect her child. Revenge? The judge didn't see it that way. Why do you? What would you do if you had a 3 year old daughter tell you that her grandfather jerked her panties off and put his hands down there? And that is just the beginning. Other details from the therapist don't need to be mentioned. What would you do if it was your child? Rarely will you see any charges filed if there is no physical evidence. That's what makes child abuse cases so tricky. However, your account of what happened in the courtroom is way off. Funny you point fingers at the mother and stepfather. Tell me this. Who was recently charged with fleeing and evading police first degree (auto), fleeing and evading police first degree (foot), first degree wanton endangerment, disregarding 4 stop lights, grand theft auto, and falsely reporting a stolen vehicle? Who said in court that he was "dependant" on drugs but not "addicted." Who violated court orders and told the child to lie about going to her grandfathers?(the judge pointed that out too) I'll give you a hint. It was not the mother or the stepfather. Neither one of them have ever been in any trouble. Like I said, I don't know what exactly the grandfather did. He may have done something little and the girl exaggerated. One thing we do know, the little girl will be safe when the biological father is serving jail time for his multiple felonies. I pray for all parties involved. Especially the little girl. I found it odd that the judge said she might be wrong. She must not have been 100% confident in her decision. Judges are human. They make mistakes. I remember a case in Barren County when a judge ordered a mother to let her child see a relative. The relative ended up shooting the child, then killing himself. Let's hope and pray that judge Spainhour did not put this child in harm's way.
Are you some relation to the family involved in this case or someone in attendance observing the hearing ? just wondering.
CLB

Louisville, KY

#19 Apr 26, 2011
You are exactly right! Judge Spainhour does not protect children. Her judgement is based on feelings and with no legal opinion. She is a disgrace to the court system and something needs to done about her. Never vote for her again!!!!
REMEMBER

Byron, GA

#20 Apr 26, 2011
CLB wrote:
You are exactly right! Judge Spainhour does not protect children. Her judgement is based on feelings and with no legal opinion. She is a disgrace to the court system and something needs to done about her. Never vote for her again!!!!
will be voting for her again she goes by the book

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