Wis. man won't buy gas for 31 days, m...

Wis. man won't buy gas for 31 days, maybe longer

There are 26 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 16, 2008, titled Wis. man won't buy gas for 31 days, maybe longer. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Brian LaFave could care less how high gasoline prices go these days. He's parked his pickup truck and is buying no gas for a month and possibly longer.

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JPJ

Saint Paul, MN

#23 May 16, 2008
Mary wrote:
He will do great. It will take a week or so to get the biking muscles tuned up. He will be doing 9 miles in no time then. He will get in shape, and maybe the Saudis will have to wait a month or so to add another room to one of thier mansions. May a sandstorm bury them all soon.
Only thing that I see as tough will be grocery shopping. Or worse yet, carrying a case of beer, and a bottle of brandy home. After all it is cheese-land.
We get most of our oil from Canada.
Mary Johnson

Minneapolis, MN

#24 May 16, 2008
PJ the DJ wrote:
But you still see those SUV drivers doing 75-80mph on the highway. If people only realized how much they'd save by going 60 or 65 they'd be amazed. But then again they must have deep pockets to put $80.00 -$100.00 worth of gas in each fill up.
Brian lets hope you have stared a movement where a majority of us drivers follow your lead!!!!
Yes, it's only SUV drivers going that fast, not people weaving in and out of traffic in their little VWs
Brown

Minneapolis, MN

#25 May 16, 2008
Right on Brian, right on. These gas prices will hopefully help begin to boost the housing market in the cities, reversing urban and suburban sprawl, and helping us reduce greenhouse gasses that may or may not lead to what may or may not be "global warming" (climate change) brought on by the human race. I'm doing it, many of my neigbors in St. Paul are doing it... if you don't need to turn the keys of a vehicle to go to work, that's a good thing! If not for the environment, do it for your own pocket book!
Brown

Minneapolis, MN

#26 May 16, 2008
Suburban Mom wrote:
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And what is the concept? This is just not really newsworthy, but it's a very timely topic. HUGE difference. I am an editor and if someone submitted this to me my response would be: So what? Give me more! How much is he going to save in a month? What is this organized effort referred to in the article all about and what is the collective result of what their members are doing? What does the writer want to move the reader to do or feel? Why should the reader care?
I wasn't the only one on this board with the same response. Perhaps some of us are just deeper thinkers than others.
Suburban Mom, being the editor that you are, why does it say you're from St. Paul? That would make you "Urban Mom" wouldn't it?

Seriously people, let's not get too deep here... it's a nice article about a guy riding his bike to work so he can save his gas money and send it to feed the kids in Africa (Brian, please research your charity you go through and make sure your gift will benefit somebody other than a greedy government official).

As far as ordering stuff online to save the environment... how do products get to your home? Probably delivered by a vehicle that gets worse gas mileage than your own!?
Geronimo

Saint Paul, MN

#27 May 16, 2008
i like to drive my SUV 80-90 mph all the way to the mountains and then up the 4-wheel track all the way to 13,000 ft. i go where i want when i want, in my SUV. and i love the oil companies because they help me get where i want to go. WHich, mainly, is far away from people who might find something to admire in silly demonstrations like this sheboygan person.
Most of you libs would never last a week riding bicycles anyway; a young dude like this i suppose. but most of you libs would collapse in a day or two. I've seen you people. you're soft.
Ronald Stein

Mission Viejo, CA

#28 May 18, 2008
The price of gasoline has minimal impact on oil profits

Everyone in the industry knows that "upstream", i.e., crude oil production is where the big profits are, as well as the risks. The "downstream" side of the market, i.e., refining, has historically been the loser of the industry.

Several years ago Unocal totally abandoned the refining side of the business to focus on the upstream sector. More recently, Shell has dumped 2 of its 3 California refineries, selling one to Tesoro and the other to Big West, neither of which have any upstream revenues to help them as the cost of crude oil keeps rising.

Interestingly, most of that upstream revenue for Chevron, bp, Shell, and Exxon is from crude oil production sources outside the United States. Their counterparts that control 77% of the industry are Saudi Aramco, Russia's Gazprom, CNPC of China (parent of PetroChina), NIOC of Iran, Venezuela's PDVSA, Brazil's Petrobras, and Petronas of Malaysia are also reaping the rewards of higher crude oil prices.

It would be a major mistake to penalize the 4 example companies for windfall profits coming from offshore oil production, while the 7 countries that dominate the industry continue to reap the benefits of our dependency on foreign sources for our energy needs.

Companies that have no upstream income, like Valero and Tesoro and Big West, have only one chance to make a profit and that's to refine thatexpensive crude oil coming in from offshore sources. The stock of these refinery companies have seen recent disastrous stock performances of companies that try to focus only on refining.

Offshore crude oil production is driving the profits of Chevron, bp, Shell, and Exxon and the 7 foreign countries that dominate the crude oil production. It's the cost of crude oil that causes the cost of gasoline to rise.

According to the California Energy Commission's (CEC) Integrated Energy Policy Report of 2007, the 14 California refineries are only producing about 90% of the gasoline needs of our 37 million citizens, with 3.5 million gallons of gasoline per DAY being imported from foreign countries to meet the current demand.

To make matters worse than our dependency of foreign crude oil for our refineries to process into usable gasoline and diesel fuels, we are growing more and more dependent on foreign refineries to process crude oil for our gasoline and diesel fuels needs.

According to the California Energy Commission's (CEC) Integrated Energy Policy Report of 2007, the 14 California refineries are only producing about 90% of the gasoline needs of our 37 million citizens, with 3.5 million gallons of gasoline per DAY being imported from foreign countries to meet the current demand.

There is some hope that alternative fuels, like ethanol, and/or more efficient cars will lessen our growing dependency on foreign countries for our gasoline and diesel needs. The CEC however, is projecting the CA population growth over the next 20 to 30 years will far exceed any potential contributions from alternative fuels and/or energy efficient cars. Population growth, per the CEC, may grow further to 60 million by 2050.

In summary, the cost of crude oil from foreign countries is the major cost of refining into usable gasoline and diesel fuels. And now, the trend is to rely more and more on foreign country refineries to refine the crude oil into the usable gasoline and diesel demands of our growing population and the USA gets the opportunity to compete in the world market not only for crude oil, but for our gasoline and diesel needs.

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