Professor weighs in on coal plants, calling claims by bill's sponsor 'misleading'

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To support his arguments for new coal-fired power plants in Minnesota, state Rep.

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Meme Mine

London, Canada

#1 Feb 8, 2011
Climate Change has done to news editors and lazy journalism, climatologists and all of science itself, what nasty priests did for religion. SYSTEM CHANGE, NOT CLIMATE CHANGE. In his State of the Union Address, President Obama, didn’t mention the words Climate Change or EPA once. So why are the thousands of consensus scientists not marching in protest? Thanks media. And meanwhile, the UN had allowed carbon trading to trump 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 24 years of climate control instead of needed population control. Nice job. Let’s not leave the lab-coat consultants out of this climate change scam crime against humanity. But remember first that scientists produced cruise missiles, cancer causing chemicals, land mine technology, nuclear weapons, germ warfare, cluster bombs, strip mining technology, Y2K, Y2Kyoto, deep sea drilling technology and now climate change. And how ironic is it that up until 25 years ago when CO2 Phobia began, scientists were condemned for producing planet killing chemicals and making environmentalism necessary in the first place? Continued support of the climate change mistake is making media quality worse and it splits environmental efforts, alienates support for responsible environmental stewardship, and thus drags the well intentioned progressivism down with it. Now is the time to stop acting like fear mongering necons, threatening our children with DEATH BY CO2, and drop the CO2 to start stewardship of the planet anew and face the future challenges with optimism and courage, not needless panic of a “dying planet”.
Monti Jimmy

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Feb 8, 2011
First, what are Rep. Beard's qualifications for making the claims that he makes? Where are the scientific papers or peer reviewed journals that rebut the evidence of global warming?

Honestly, it is a Republican vs. Democrat issue. Democrats and the vast majority of the scientific community believe in the evidence of global warming. The Republican's refute this evidence stating that it is false or made up. This is the business interest speaking through the Republican officials. Having to be responsible for CO2 emissions is costly and would cut into profit margins. Those lost profits would mean fewer donors donating less money to Republican election campaigns.

Now what do the Democrats have to gain in their support of global warming? Higher cost of goods because corporations certainly would pass the cost on to consumers? A stabilizing climate? A decent future for the coming generations?

It really is an issue of greed. Democrats are not out to make money off of global warming. Scientists don't contribute millions of dollars to election campaigns! Republicans however stand to make a mint! They are given TONS of money for elections from big oil, big coal, and natural gas producers. They are then indebted to repay those contributions by way of legislation.

Open your eyes. Please try to have even the narrowest sense of objectivity. If you can do this you will see the truth. Don't let the rhetoric make the decision for you. Do a little research for yourself. You will be surprised with what you discover.

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Laura

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Feb 8, 2011
You better do your homework about this before spouting off. Demacrats have made millions off this farce and Al Gore is the leader of the pack. G.E.'s CEO is now in the white house because of contributions to the demacratic party in hopes of pushing the 'Green Thing'. Check out how much money the feds have given out in the so called stimulous funds to green companys and the ties to the demacratic party.
Monti Jimmy wrote:
First, what are Rep. Beard's qualifications for making the claims that he makes? Where are the scientific papers or peer reviewed journals that rebut the evidence of global warming?
Honestly, it is a Republican vs. Democrat issue. Democrats and the vast majority of the scientific community believe in the evidence of global warming. The Republican's refute this evidence stating that it is false or made up. This is the business interest speaking through the Republican officials. Having to be responsible for CO2 emissions is costly and would cut into profit margins. Those lost profits would mean fewer donors donating less money to Republican election campaigns.
Now what do the Democrats have to gain in their support of global warming? Higher cost of goods because corporations certainly would pass the cost on to consumers? A stabilizing climate? A decent future for the coming generations?
It really is an issue of greed. Democrats are not out to make money off of global warming. Scientists don't contribute millions of dollars to election campaigns! Republicans however stand to make a mint! They are given TONS of money for elections from big oil, big coal, and natural gas producers. They are then indebted to repay those contributions by way of legislation.
Open your eyes. Please try to have even the narrowest sense of objectivity. If you can do this you will see the truth. Don't let the rhetoric make the decision for you. Do a little research for yourself. You will be surprised with what you discover.

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RJS

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 8, 2011
As someone who works at Bethel, I've gotten used to hearing the phrase "a speaker at Bethel University who contended scientists are lying about climate change." However: the speaker wasn't affiliated with Bethel at all, and spoke at a gathering sponsored by someone who rented a Bethel facility. Plenty of us at Bethel believe that global warming is happening, and that the speaker who was here either deliberately or ignorantly manipulated evidence to deceive his audience and the media.
Dale Peterson

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Feb 8, 2011
Beard's thoughtful response could take a while, maybe sometime next year?

"This is one I thought demanded a thoughtful response, and I just haven't gotten to it yet,'' Beard said.

Thanks to John Abraham for voicing some sanity. China is already bringing too many coal plants online every day. Buying consumer goods from China only advances their need for more power. We could eliminate our own need for a new power plant just by conserving a little bit. Do it for your kids!
really

River Falls, WI

#6 Feb 8, 2011
Forget about global warming for a second and think about the fact that Minnesota is running behind most of the Midwest in using green technology, solar, and wind.(Just look at Iowa, Wisconsin Illinois and the Dakotas) Excel energy is making it unprofitable for companies to trade energy credits in the state, and the Us in general is way behind the "dreaded coal powered China" in producing and using solar technology. Wake up and smell the future people or let's don't smell it by using alternative clean energy. It's just the smart thing to do, oh yeah and it will create new jobs not just give the good ole boy network a chance to buy another coal plant!
USMC 67-70

Eau Claire, WI

#7 Feb 8, 2011
Another academic that has never had a "real" job in his life. Sounds like a very smart guy that is full of himself and anyone that disagrees with his theory is off base. Typical of many of the teaching profession - especially in universities. Thank God we still live in a society where we can exercise our democratic rights!!
Heretics and Inquisitors

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Feb 8, 2011
True believers can never tolerate dissent. Those who question the new faith of AGW must be silenced.
Jackpine savage

Glendale, AZ

#9 Feb 8, 2011
Shakopee area continues to get the type of representation that it apparently wants. Climate change, a complicated topic, has much evidence and the support of almost all of the scientific community world wide. Or what else is the deal with those bears in the arctic regions ? We have the tech knowledge to start to clean up coal, so why not invest a little and use it? Follow the money trail in this and see who opposes clean technology !!
Fun Facts

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Feb 8, 2011
really wrote:
Forget about global warming for a second and think about the fact that Minnesota is running behind most of the Midwest in using green technology, solar, and wind.(Just look at Iowa, Wisconsin Illinois and the Dakotas) Excel energy is making it unprofitable for companies to trade energy credits in the state, and the Us in general is way behind the "dreaded coal powered China" in producing and using solar technology. Wake up and smell the future people or let's don't smell it by using alternative clean energy. It's just the smart thing to do, oh yeah and it will create new jobs not just give the good ole boy network a chance to buy another coal plant!
How are the wind turbines in Minnesota doing this year? Last year they froze for more than six months.
cache

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Feb 8, 2011
Professor offers rebuttal to coal plant advocate on scientific views about global climate change...This lefty professor (????) should have warning label before anyone listens or takes a course for him: WARNING- person speaking has a NO common sense and will twist truth to fit progressive lefty louie wacko theories"
Pack LoverVikes Suck

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Feb 8, 2011
Aren't we in Enough Trouble listening, Being Dictated by a "Professor"??

go to http://www.exposeobama.com and in Search put in Van Jones and HE will tell you The Real Truth about Global Scamming!!!
Old School

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Feb 8, 2011
ALL of you global warming people are a bunch of quacks. I remember Al Gore on tv in 1991 talking about the hole in the ozone layer. He spoke of how it was growing and how it could move North (with the killer bees). The chemical reaction that makes ozone occurs at a greater rate with heat. So it makes sense that the ozone is thinner at the poles and thicker at the equator. Yes, there are chemicals that can break down ozone(it is a rather unstable molecule), but it can also be regenerated just as easily. We need to start worrying if the ozone around the equator degrades, and I'm not losing any sleep over it. You crazies need to wake up. Someone might say "we need to start thinking of the future now." I ask how is putting ourselves in further debt over technology that doesn't work, thinking of our future? 14 trillion dollars people. By the way, any wind energy field requires a 90% fossil fuel back up. Why? Because that do not provide enough power on their own.
I did not follow

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 8, 2011
Which expert is extolling what? I lost track and frankly don't want to reread it. Basically two people who are very passionate about their points for view sparred back and forth.
The Cold Hard Truth

United States

#15 Feb 8, 2011
Dale Peterson wrote:
Beard's thoughtful response could take a while, maybe sometime next year?
"This is one I thought demanded a thoughtful response, and I just haven't gotten to it yet,'' Beard said.
Thanks to John Abraham for voicing some sanity. China is already bringing too many coal plants online every day. Buying consumer goods from China only advances their need for more power. We could eliminate our own need for a new power plant just by conserving a little bit. Do it for your kids!
I think that China is bringing a coal fired power plant online every week. They have no intention to stop either, their population is what 25% of the worlds? Most of them are in the dark ages and they want to join the rest of the world and enjoy technology too. Do you think they will give up this chance? They are using more green technology too simply because it is the only thing available in certain parts of their country. This does not even take into account India and another 25% of the worlds population. Do you think they will be content to live in the dark ages? What type/form of fuel do you think they will use? The cheapest, thats what. So, 50% of the worlds population, how will you stop them?
One more question, what do you do when the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine? What will you do when you are stuck in a blizzard in your electric car? Did you know that for every decline in temperature of 10 degrees, your battery loses 50% of its charge? How well will these cares work in our climate? Go ahead and buy one for 40 grand and check it out next winter.

Since: Mar 09

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#16 Feb 8, 2011
*****NEWS FLASH*****
ST. PAUL
DEBATE OCCURS AT CAPITOL.
IMPACT UNKNOWN. DEBATE IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH SPRING.
**********
TooHotTooTrot

Boise, ID

#17 Feb 8, 2011
highland guy wrote:
*****NEWS FLASH *****
ST. PAUL
DEBATE OCCURS AT CAPITOL.
IMPACT UNKNOWN. DEBATE IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH SPRING.
****
Please pass debate.

That last fish got mine.
LBJ

San Jose, CA

#18 Feb 8, 2011
It cracks me up that "climate change experts" make predictions based on the only accurate data available, which only goes back about a hundred years. Then they extrapolate backwards based on their limited data sample, then go forward with wild predictions. These people just need to feel important(which is common with liberalism in general to create a panic then claim to have the cure). We've had ice ages and warming and mass extinctions (they seem to know this) since long before man's impact was ever felt. Everywhere else in science we keep hearing about advances in research techniques that nullify the old assumptions that were supposedly based on scientific hard data. And in about the 7th grade we learned that you need some known, verifiable values (not guesses)to conduct an accurate experiment and reach a conclusion. Not only am i reasonably sure it's not happening, but many scientists are abandoning the sinking ship of global warming. If I had a research background and a reputation to protect, I'd be looking for the lifeboats before becoming discredited with this bad science. The global warming hangers-on will be the next flat-earthers.
lol

Turtle Lake, WI

#19 Feb 8, 2011
This is another demoarlized Human hater. He hates our future. That is because life is short and he knows he is not going to see eternity. He is obviosly a follower of a false prophet like King George II. Why should people live on if I am not. What sick puppy. How many years was this guy in the 2nd grade? Professor of BS at the whats amatter U. In frost bite flls. Mr know it all would call this guy a blunder idiot.
Sss

United States

#20 Feb 8, 2011
LBJ - Where's your data to support that global warming isn't happening? You went on a long diatribe on how 'climate change experts' use a short snipit of data to come up with "wild predictions" but offer no data AT ALL to support that global warming isn't happening. Enlighten us and point to independently(not Koch Bros. funded) data.

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