7 charged in attack at Valleyfair

A father who tried to protect his 12-year-old daughter after she was groped while leaving Valleyfair amusement park was beaten, stomped in the face and kicked by a group of young men, police said. Full Story
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Mom in Cottage Grove

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jul 16, 2008
I am surprised that the PP is allowing comments on this article-seeing as how they have removed all the comments from yesterday

My prayers to the Father and his family for a complete and speedy recovery, this man is and will probably always be a hero to his daughter for his protection

and my hope that these men spend a long time in jail for their crimes
Homer J

Sheboygan, WI

#2 Jul 16, 2008
Mom in Cottage Grove wrote:
I am surprised that the PP is allowing comments on this article-seeing as how they have removed all the comments from yesterday
My prayers to the Father and his family for a complete and speedy recovery, this man is and will probably always be a hero to his daughter for his protection
and my hope that these men spend a long time in jail for their crimes
The PP is censorship at it's worst! They would be the first ones to wrap themselves in the 1st amendment, they do however own (or are partial owners) of the site so they can do pretty much what they want. The powers that be are the biggest bunch of hippocrites I have ever seen.
Really

Novato, CA

#4 Jul 16, 2008
Well, I'm not too happy about some of the stories they remove comments from, but the StarTribune does the same thing.

Any time a story can be racially charged, they don't allow the comments. Sometimes posters feel the need to start the racial/immigration debate even when the story has NOTHING to do with it.

Some of these posts I've seen are beyond offensive, they're downright rude. If people would learn how to stick to the story and not turn it into a KKK recruiting meeting, I bet they'd leave them up. Opinion is one thing, but this is still a public place, and there's just certain things that are not acceptable to say in public anymore.

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Saint Paul, MN

#6 Jul 16, 2008
Really wrote:
Well, I'm not too happy about some of the stories they remove comments from, but the StarTribune does the same thing.
Any time a story can be racially charged, they don't allow the comments. Sometimes posters feel the need to start the racial/immigration debate even when the story has NOTHING to do with it.
Some of these posts I've seen are beyond offensive, they're downright rude. If people would learn how to stick to the story and not turn it into a KKK recruiting meeting, I bet they'd leave them up. Opinion is one thing, but this is still a public place, and there's just certain things that are not acceptable to say in public anymore.
I don't think the racism label applies here. Sure, you have some very frustrated people spouting off over an extremely emotional issue.

This is a roving gang of thugs that beat a man trying to protect his family. Thru other web sites we have found that at least 2 have some serious problems with the law. For you to equate or inject the term racism to this discussion is yet another debate tactic to tell someone to shut up. But thru this forum, anonymity is all but guarenteed. People can really say whats on their mind. Wouldn't you rather hear the truth, as ugly as it may be?

Let's ask a different question. You're at Valley Fair. You witness this attack. What do you do? Do you get involved? Do you try to stop the attack? Do you run away? Do you call for help? Or do you make excuses for the rage that these poor young men have inside them?

As this story unfolds, I am willing to bet that one or more of these animals will say that the VICTIM used a racial slur. Therefore he deserved what he got.

What would I do? I am getting involved. I might get my butt kicked but @ 6-3, 295# I'm taking 2 or 3 with me.

It must be time for average people to stand up for themselves.
Ray

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jul 16, 2008
Too add a little more, this is why im am absolutly getting a gun. God I wish I lived in Texas!
Jerami

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jul 16, 2008
Mrs R wrote:
That's a good point, Mr. Really. I think the PP is full of right-wing radicals who are scared to talk about anything serious. We are free to debate the batting average of a Twins player, how good our lutefisk recipes are, how the Vikings need to fix their defensive line, etc. But try to talk about anything of substance and that actually is a serious issue and the right-wing powers that be might shut you down. Several of us have noted that the Republicans in this state have such a sick fetish with giving tax breaks to the wealthy and to Republicans that it's no wonder our Afro American youth feel cheated. They haven't been given a proper education, thanks to conservative policies of cutting back on education and youth centers. That is pretty hard for conservatives to admit that they are the impetus behind this ValleyFair incident. These youth were just misguided and didn't know any better. The true problem is that they have been underserved by our state government since day one.
My god you are the King/Queen for the desire of handouts.

Take responsibility for yourself instead of blaming someone else.

My mother raised 3 kids on her own with 0 child support and guess what...all her kids are doing good. We all have our own houses, our own families and we support ourselves. We didn't go looking for the governments help we helped ourselves.
ConnorMacManus

Plymouth, MN

#11 Jul 16, 2008
Mrs R wrote:
That's a good point, Mr. Really. I think the PP is full of right-wing radicals who are scared to talk about anything serious. We are free to debate the batting average of a Twins player, how good our lutefisk recipes are, how the Vikings need to fix their defensive line, etc. But try to talk about anything of substance and that actually is a serious issue and the right-wing powers that be might shut you down. Several of us have noted that the Republicans in this state have such a sick fetish with giving tax breaks to the wealthy and to Republicans that it's no wonder our Afro American youth feel cheated. They haven't been given a proper education, thanks to conservative policies of cutting back on education and youth centers. That is pretty hard for conservatives to admit that they are the impetus behind this ValleyFair incident. These youth were just misguided and didn't know any better. The true problem is that they have been underserved by our state government since day one.
Yay the Libertroll is back! It's all a conspiracy by the right! All we hard-working Americans need to do is turn socialism and give all our money to those who don't feel like working! Once societies leeches have more money and hugs, they decide to put something back INTO the community just for the good of others. Rainbows will simultaneously break out across the world and we'll all sing "we are the world" too!
Mom in Cottage Grove

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jul 16, 2008
Mrs R wrote:
That's a good point, Mr. Really. I think the PP is full of right-wing radicals who are scared to talk about anything serious. We are free to debate the batting average of a Twins player, how good our lutefisk recipes are, how the Vikings need to fix their defensive line, etc. But try to talk about anything of substance and that actually is a serious issue and the right-wing powers that be might shut you down. Several of us have noted that the Republicans in this state have such a sick fetish with giving tax breaks to the wealthy and to Republicans that it's no wonder our Afro American youth feel cheated. They haven't been given a proper education, thanks to conservative policies of cutting back on education and youth centers. That is pretty hard for conservatives to admit that they are the impetus behind this ValleyFair incident. These youth were just misguided and didn't know any better. The true problem is that they have been underserved by our state government since day one.
why do you keep bring up that this is a "political" issue or has to be republicians vs democrats? it has NOTHING to do with either party

and do not even try to say they didn't know any better-a 3-4 year old might not know better that hitting is wrong, but these "men" are surely old enough to know the difference, they just don't care
Rad Rethuglican

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Jul 16, 2008
Dear GB Fan: Actually it was not a "roving" gang of thugs. They were called to the spot by their relatives and friends via cell phones. They made bail because they're all pimps. What a great story.
Rad Rethuglican

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Jul 16, 2008
The three Evans brothers, born within three years of each other. All their first names start with a "D." What a great family! See you in court boys! Or maybe in the parking lot, heh.
Duke

Palo Alto, CA

#18 Jul 16, 2008
What is truly amazing is that these misguided "gentlemen" were let out on such a small amount of bail, and that the local news media took so long to report this. Do you think that these guys will come back for trial? Not a chance. Our liberal judicial system is a joke, it will not protect us.
usa

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Jul 16, 2008
Mrs R: GO AWAY!!!

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Since: Mar 08

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Jul 16, 2008
Mrs R wrote:
That's a good point, Mr. Really. I think the PP is full of right-wing radicals who are scared to talk about anything serious. We are free to debate the batting average of a Twins player, how good our lutefisk recipes are, how the Vikings need to fix their defensive line, etc. But try to talk about anything of substance and that actually is a serious issue and the right-wing powers that be might shut you down. Several of us have noted that the Republicans in this state have such a sick fetish with giving tax breaks to the wealthy and to Republicans that it's no wonder our Afro American youth feel cheated. They haven't been given a proper education, thanks to conservative policies of cutting back on education and youth centers. That is pretty hard for conservatives to admit that they are the impetus behind this ValleyFair incident. These youth were just misguided and didn't know any better. The true problem is that they have been underserved by our state government since day one.
Mrs R, I'll bet you that these young men have been supported the state for all or most of their life. Food, clothing, housing , free education, programs, programs and more programs.

I want my money back. I want your money back. Your programs have failed. You have failed. I want my money back out of your wallet. You have failed.

I will agree with you on one point, Republicans. They allowed all of these failed programs and freebies to exist. They let us down.
Common Cents

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Jul 16, 2008
UP THE CHARGE TO 1ST DEGREE ASSAULT PATRICK CILIBERTO! These guys should be locked away for 15-20. Not 2-3. Up the charge now! Great Bodily harm does not necessitate permanent injury. Broken bones and a bleading brain is enough. PUT THEM ALL AWAY!!!
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#22 Jul 16, 2008
Clint wrote:
Hey did ya see the utube where the guy trained m- o- n- k- e- y- s to dribbel the basket ball and shoot baskets??
It's really neat, do you suppose they molest little girls and attack their fathers???
Maybe a m- o- n- k- e- y can be trained to work, do ya suppose???
Perhap....after all, I've been trained to work. BTW, we're human too.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#23 Jul 16, 2008
Sarah wrote:
Check the names of the attackers - no big surprise there. So, what state aid program is paying for their tickets to Valley Fair?
One of the attackers had the last name "Guildersleeve" (which is Dutch) and lives in Edina...he could be one of us, but I doubt it. Perhaps Dutch-Americans and/or other Northern European types should take some ownership of the attack too...you may not have the proverbial "clean hands".
sick of it

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Jul 16, 2008
Mrs R wrote:
That's a good point, Mr. Really. I think the PP is full of right-wing radicals who are scared to talk about anything serious. We are free to debate the batting average of a Twins player, how good our lutefisk recipes are, how the Vikings need to fix their defensive line, etc. But try to talk about anything of substance and that actually is a serious issue and the right-wing powers that be might shut you down. Several of us have noted that the Republicans in this state have such a sick fetish with giving tax breaks to the wealthy and to Republicans that it's no wonder our Afro American youth feel cheated. They haven't been given a proper education, thanks to conservative policies of cutting back on education and youth centers. That is pretty hard for conservatives to admit that they are the impetus behind this ValleyFair incident. These youth were just misguided and didn't know any better. The true problem is that they have been underserved by our state government since day one.
No, clueless one. These gang bangers have been underserved by their parents. It's called personal responsibility. And I still believe you are a fraud because nobody could possibly be as clueless as you.
Angry Guy

Saint Paul, MN

#25 Jul 16, 2008
In the last two weeks, we have had a woman, six months pregnant, abducted from a street in St. Paul, brought to a nearby garage, and was sexually assaulted by at least two men while others watched. The race of the attackers was presumably black (one was named "Lord ....). We also had a 15 year old girl abducted and her father beaten with a blunt object by a black ex-boyfriend, and now we have the horrific situation at Valley Fair. Had these situations been reversed (i.e. black victims and white criminals) we would have Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and at least 100,000 angry African Americans bused into the Twin Cities from all over the U.S. to demonstrate and cause problems. Why aren't we, as a city, outraged over these crimes and openly discussing them in the paper and in the news. We clearly need more police and we need to give the police more discretion in how to deal with these thugs and criminals. This is a disgrace and it is time for people in this city to get angry.
to hard

Saint Paul, MN

#27 Jul 16, 2008
GB Fan wrote:
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As this story unfolds, I am willing to bet that one or more of these animals will say that the VICTIM used a racial slur. Therefore he deserved what he got.
What would I do? I am getting involved. I might get my butt kicked but @ 6-3, 295# I'm taking 2 or 3 with me.
It must be time for average people to stand up for themselves.
I'm with you GB Fan (even though you are a GB fan) rally all the on-lookers and take them all down.

Has anyone heard how the man is doing now? I would like to hear about his condition. I pray that he is doing well with no lasting problems. And I hope the daughter is getting some counseling. Man to witness something like this - she must have been so scared and then to not be able to help her Dad...what a tragidy. And now we got kids beating up bus drivers....come on everyone who has a sense of morality and pride - Stand up and don't be afraid to tell people this is unacceptable behavior.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#28 Jul 16, 2008
Angry Guy wrote:
In the last two weeks, we have had a woman, six months pregnant, abducted from a street in St. Paul, brought to a nearby garage, and was sexually assaulted by at least two men while others watched. The race of the attackers was presumably black (one was named "Lord ....). We also had a 15 year old girl abducted and her father beaten with a blunt object by a black ex-boyfriend, and now we have the horrific situation at Valley Fair. Had these situations been reversed (i.e. black victims and white criminals) we would have Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and at least 100,000 angry African Americans bused into the Twin Cities from all over the U.S. to demonstrate and cause problems. Why aren't we, as a city, outraged over these crimes and openly discussing them in the paper and in the news. We clearly need more police and we need to give the police more discretion in how to deal with these thugs and criminals. This is a disgrace and it is time for people in this city to get angry.
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the pregnant woman was a Sister (or maybe Hispanic).

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