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#21 Sep 19, 2013
That would only be true had Martin stopped and attacked Zimmerman during the chase. You would then be correct. Zimmerman contributed to a heated situation. Martin (even though legally a minor) could have used the SYG in his defense.
There are several problems here: first off, the chase ended minutes before Martin attacked Zimmerman. It was a separate incident. Secondly. there is a fine line between assault and self-defense.
Let's say I go to a bar tonight and somebody is giving me a hard time. I verbally announce my intent to leave this heated situation. On my way to the door, my adversary stops me and takes a swing. I block the punch and return one knocking him to the ground nearly unconscious.
The police arrive and I tell my side of the story. Witnesses concur. The police would then ask if I wanted to press charges against this knocked out man and allow me to go home.
But lets say the same thing happened and instead, the police came into the establishment and witnessed me beating my attackers head against the corner of the bar even though he was unconscious. At that point, my actions went far beyond self-defense, but in retaliation. I would be arrested and held on charges even though I was not the one to instigate the dispute.
In other words, Martin had a right to self-defense. But self-defense does not include knocking a man to the ground, holding him down against his will, blackening both of his eyes, breaking his nose, pounding his head into the concrete and making attempts to disarm him. That's not self-defense, that's felonious assault.
You don't need to be a lawyer to figure this one out. It's clearly on the books. Martin was legally in the commission of criminal activity when he was shot dead.
#22 Nov 19, 2013
Well, there's so many blacks that cause trouble for whites like breaking into our houses, stealing our cars, roaming around in gangs and attacking us, shooting whites, and whatever else they can think up. Then, a white walks down the street and sees a group or even one black walking towards him so, what do you want us to think? You see how those groups of blacks are walking around and sucker punching white people? How are we supposed to know that the 3 or more blacks coming towards us aren't going to try to hit us. So, don't blame the whites for reacting the way we do. We're all on guard because of your brethren and how they behave. Myself, I enjoy hearing where a black attacks a white and the white guy just happens to have a weapon, and he uses it. Good! The black deserved it. The parent of this black didn't know how to raise the little bastard so let the streets teach him that it's not right to attack people.
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