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Racist white shoots unarmed black man after a car accident

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mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#1 Sep 15, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-...

A North Carolina police officer was charged with voluntary manslaughter on Saturday after police say he fatally shot an unarmed man who had apparently just survived a car crash in Charlotte and was looking for help.

The victim, Jonathan Ferrell, a 24-year-old former Florida A&M University football player, was shot multiple times and pronounced dead at the scene early Saturday morning.

The 27-year-old officer, Randall Kerrick, was turned himself into police late Saturday. He was released on a $50,000 bond.

"The shooting of Mr. Ferrell was excessive,” the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said in a statement.“Our investigation has shown that Officer Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter.”
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It's always been my duty to even the board out a little bit. LOL

Police should be held to hire standards. After all, if any of you white people did this, it would be first-degree murder. Police are supposed to be trained.
Maple Resident

Berea, OH

#2 Sep 15, 2013
Did you read where the story said that Ferrell was thought to be a burglar? So perhaps he was pounding on the door that he was trying to get help from. If someone was pounding on my door hard and maybe yelling, I'd probably greet him with my little friend 'Luger'. And then also, did you read the part where it said when the cops got there, Ferrell charged towards them? So, if I was walking down the street say, and a big black guy came charging at me, and I had Lug' with me, What do you think I would do? From all the blacks that have been killing whites, I don't know if this guy is one of them and I'm not going to stand there and find out. So...... BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! Out go his lights!
Maple Resident

Berea, OH

#3 Sep 15, 2013
Oh yeah, and one more thing. Say the situation was reversed, say Ferrell was white and the cop black. Now that wouldn't be racist now would it? No, no, no! Only if it is a white shooting a black! THEN it's racist!
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#4 Sep 15, 2013
You are not a cop. Your white a$$ is going right to jail. Did you see the part of my post where I stated if you did the same thing you would be facing first degree murder instead of manslaughter?

By the way, the cops said he charged at them. After further investigation, other facts were found out.

I do agree with you though -- white or black -- I'm not opening my door for anyone banging on it in the middle of the night. But if I were to shoot the person, under the jail I would go.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#5 Sep 15, 2013
mapleman wrote:
You are not a cop. Your white a$$ is going right to jail. Did you see the part of my post where I stated if you did the same thing you would be facing first degree murder instead of manslaughter?
By the way, the cops said he charged at them. After further investigation, other facts were found out.
I do agree with you though -- white or black -- I'm not opening my door for anyone banging on it in the middle of the night. But if I were to shoot the person, under the jail I would go.
Then I think you need to read the laws about using a firearm.

Here in Ohio, our law states that a CCW holder can use his or her firearm in the event "the firearm holder believes he, she or others are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death." That's our law which is pretty much standard across the country.

As Maple Resident already pointed out, this joker charged at the police officers. Two is the fact one officer tried to use non-lethal force to no avail. The attacker continued to fight with the two police officers, and that's when the second officer used his firearm.

The problem here is not race, nor the fact the rookie officer used his firearm. The problem here was the amount of times he shot the attacker.

This is very typical in police shootings of black people. Black people don't understand the English language. Freeze means don't move a muscle, don't stick your hands in your pockets, and if your hands are already in your pocket, don't remove them. Freeze does not mean turn around and attack the police.

It was 2:30 in the morning. This joker got into a car accident. Didn't he have a cell phone? That would be interesting to know. He's suspiciously beating down a door and police arrive, and the black guy attacks them. What's the problem here?
sillypeople

Sammamish, WA

#6 Sep 15, 2013
First of all what you dumb asses failed to realize it what they may call charging was simply the guy trying to communicate that he needed medical help. You think the police are there to help you, but instead they are there to kill you. I'm sure he told them he was injured and in a car accident. The officer just shot and kill and they come up with a quick story to justify the event. After all nobody wants to admit they were wrong or goto jail. I guarantee if it was a white guy they wouldn't have shot him. Heck maybe the lady would have called an ambulance for him. What would you have done if you were in a car accident and didn't have a phone to call for help? What would you have done if you were having a heart attack and needed someone to call help for you? Stay there and die? I hardly think so. Another messed up case of failed justice.
Maple Resident

Berea, OH

#7 Sep 16, 2013
sillypeople wrote:
First of all what you dumb asses failed to realize it what they may call charging was simply the guy trying to communicate that he needed medical help. You think the police are there to help you, but instead they are there to kill you. I'm sure he told them he was injured and in a car accident. The officer just shot and kill and they come up with a quick story to justify the event. After all nobody wants to admit they were wrong or goto jail. I guarantee if it was a white guy they wouldn't have shot him. Heck maybe the lady would have called an ambulance for him. What would you have done if you were in a car accident and didn't have a phone to call for help? What would you have done if you were having a heart attack and needed someone to call help for you? Stay there and die? I hardly think so. Another messed up case of failed justice.
Apparently you don't live amongst blacks or, you're black. The blacks here where I live are very loud and go nuts within a moments notice. I've seen them walking down the streets looking calm and then suddenly tear into one tirade going ballistic over what seems to be nothing. I've seen them calmly standing by someone and then suddenly just hammer the other guy, and then look at the guy he just hit with this,'What Just Happened?' look on his face. To me, most are just wild animals and that's how I have to think when being approached by one. It's not like,'Oh, this black man is coming towards me to say hello and how is your day.' No. It's more like I'm sizing him up and figuring where I'm going to have to strike him when I see him get that ballistic look on his face and go to hit me. So, the witnesses that were there were probably all black and they all stick together and no matter what the black guy did, according to witnesses, no he dindts doo dat!
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#8 Sep 16, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Then I think you need to read the laws about using a firearm.
Here in Ohio, our law states that a CCW holder can use his or her firearm in the event "the firearm holder believes he, she or others are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death." That's our law which is pretty much standard across the country.
As Maple Resident already pointed out, this joker charged at the police officers. Two is the fact one officer tried to use non-lethal force to no avail. The attacker continued to fight with the two police officers, and that's when the second officer used his firearm.
The problem here is not race, nor the fact the rookie officer used his firearm. The problem here was the amount of times he shot the attacker.
This is very typical in police shootings of black people. Black people don't understand the English language. Freeze means don't move a muscle, don't stick your hands in your pockets, and if your hands are already in your pocket, don't remove them. Freeze does not mean turn around and attack the police.
It was 2:30 in the morning. This joker got into a car accident. Didn't he have a cell phone? That would be interesting to know. He's suspiciously beating down a door and police arrive, and the black guy attacks them. What's the problem here?
If you are not a cop, you are more than likely going to be prosecuted in a case a like this. How is an unarmed man a threat to a grown man? The state would want to know. You would lose your gun and your freedom. Plus, I doubt the people saying they would use force have thousands of dollars to throw at a lawyer. Once the state knows you're broke, good luck with your case. Justice isn't for poor white folks. LOL

And the police said he was charging. As you know by know, the blue shield is very real. They will cover for each other.

Do I think this was racial? No. I was only making a mockery of the recent racial attack posts. This case was as much of an injustice as those cases. I doubt race was a factor. Police incompetence was in play in this case. Since they are trained, police should face harsher consequences for incompetence which leads to the loss of life.
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#9 Sep 16, 2013
sillypeople wrote:
First of all what you dumb asses failed to realize it what they may call charging was simply the guy trying to communicate that he needed medical help. You think the police are there to help you, but instead they are there to kill you. I'm sure he told them he was injured and in a car accident. The officer just shot and kill and they come up with a quick story to justify the event. After all nobody wants to admit they were wrong or goto jail. I guarantee if it was a white guy they wouldn't have shot him. Heck maybe the lady would have called an ambulance for him. What would you have done if you were in a car accident and didn't have a phone to call for help? What would you have done if you were having a heart attack and needed someone to call help for you? Stay there and die? I hardly think so. Another messed up case of failed justice.
It was late at night. The guy was probably in shock. I wouldn't have opened up my door no matter the race of the person. As for the police, it was incompetence. Any police officer who kills an unarmed man under these circumstances deserves at least 20 years in prison. I don't care what the race of the parties involved is. It should be 20 years minimum. Police need to be held to higher standards.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#10 Sep 16, 2013
sillypeople wrote:
First of all what you dumb asses failed to realize it what they may call charging was simply the guy trying to communicate that he needed medical help. You think the police are there to help you, but instead they are there to kill you. I'm sure he told them he was injured and in a car accident. The officer just shot and kill and they come up with a quick story to justify the event. After all nobody wants to admit they were wrong or goto jail. I guarantee if it was a white guy they wouldn't have shot him. Heck maybe the lady would have called an ambulance for him. What would you have done if you were in a car accident and didn't have a phone to call for help? What would you have done if you were having a heart attack and needed someone to call help for you? Stay there and die? I hardly think so. Another messed up case of failed justice.
Most police cars have video cameras and microphones. You are assuming quite a bit with the little information that the article gave.

It's real simple, when the police bark out an order at you, you comply. You don't charge at them. You do what the officers ask and that's that. If they were out of line be it you needed medical attention or had a disorder of some kind, that will be settled after the police evaluate the situation and take measures they were trained to take.

Over 90% of these bogus claims against the police turn out to be just that--bogus. In most all cases, the police conducted themselves in accordance with police policies and procedures. The problem isn't the police, the problem are those that don't listen to the police.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#11 Sep 16, 2013
mapleman wrote:
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If you are not a cop, you are more than likely going to be prosecuted in a case a like this. How is an unarmed man a threat to a grown man? The state would want to know. You would lose your gun and your freedom. Plus, I doubt the people saying they would use force have thousands of dollars to throw at a lawyer. Once the state knows you're broke, good luck with your case. Justice isn't for poor white folks. LOL
And the police said he was charging. As you know by know, the blue shield is very real. They will cover for each other.
Do I think this was racial? No. I was only making a mockery of the recent racial attack posts. This case was as much of an injustice as those cases. I doubt race was a factor. Police incompetence was in play in this case. Since they are trained, police should face harsher consequences for incompetence which leads to the loss of life.
Okay, so the police try to taser the guy and that didn't work. The only reason it wouldn't work is if the guy was on some sort of illegal narcotic of some kind. So what do the police do now? If he can't feel a taser, he certainly isn't going to feel punches.

But let's take the exact same situation except I'm the shooter and you are the prosecutor.

You as the prosecutor know the law. You want to send my case to the Grand Jury. You know the laws says "if the shooter believes." Now, how are you going to convince a jury what I believed at the time? Are you a mind reader or something? There is only one person who can testify to what I believed at the time, and that person is me.

Next is the fact this guy (in the dark) was charging towards me. I told him not to move, but instead, he ran towards me. I could not see his hands.

Again, the law states that I can use my firearm if I "believe" I am in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. Was I in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death, or better yet, can you prove to a jury I was not in jeopardy of serious harm or death? What is serious bodily harm? There is no legal definition for those words.

As you can see, gun laws were written to heavily favor the shooter. You as a prosecutor are just about helpless. You can't charge me for shooting this guy because you have nothing to prove I was wrong. You have no case.

This is what happened in the Trayvon Martin situation. The prosecution could not prove that Zimmerman did anything outside of legally defending himself. He had every reason to believe he was in jeopardy of serious harm or death. Even one of the jurors said she didn't like what happened, but had to vote not-guilty because of the laws that heavily favored George Zimmerman.
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#12 Sep 16, 2013
Good luck floating that Florida mess in Ohio. If you shoot an unarmed man, you are going to jail. Florida has different self-defense laws. You can actually be the aggressor and claim defense under Florida law.

If you shoot an unarmed man in Ohio, you better be a cop or the person better be an intruder. In Ohio, they want you to haul a@@ before firing. In Florida, you don't have to flee. Good luck with your mindset in Ohio. You are looking at $50,000 just to fight the basic murder charge. God help you if you shoot an unarmed black man. LOL I'm black and know better than to try that Eastwood shjt in Ohio. LOL
Maple Resident

Berea, OH

#13 Sep 16, 2013
So, if a black guy is say, 6'4", and he's all riled up for some reason, like how sometimes they just go ballistic for no reason, or the guy hates whites because his mother was scared by a white man when she was a little girl, and he's storming towards me, doesn't have a weapon but with his build and anger on his face, I know he's going to try to kill me, so, if I have a gun, I can't shoot him? I can't out run him so what? Just stand there and let him kill me? Naw! boom-boom-boom-BOOM! Gunna shoot ya right down!
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#14 Sep 16, 2013
Maple Resident wrote:
So, if a black guy is say, 6'4", and he's all riled up for some reason, like how sometimes they just go ballistic for no reason, or the guy hates whites because his mother was scared by a white man when she was a little girl, and he's storming towards me, doesn't have a weapon but with his build and anger on his face, I know he's going to try to kill me, so, if I have a gun, I can't shoot him? I can't out run him so what? Just stand there and let him kill me? Naw! boom-boom-boom-BOOM! Gunna shoot ya right down!
Exactly. The last few whites that were seriously hurt or killed by blacks were unarmed blacks.

MapleMan doesn't understand the law. Again, the law for CCW holders state "A person may use a firearm if they believe they or others are in jeopardy of serious harm or death."

An unarmed person can cause serious harm or death. A gun is irrelevant. If an armed 74 year old man is being chased after by a few 18 year old guys, he does have the right to use his firearm in self-defense.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#15 Sep 16, 2013
mapleman wrote:
Good luck floating that Florida mess in Ohio. If you shoot an unarmed man, you are going to jail. Florida has different self-defense laws. You can actually be the aggressor and claim defense under Florida law.
If you shoot an unarmed man in Ohio, you better be a cop or the person better be an intruder. In Ohio, they want you to haul a@@ before firing. In Florida, you don't have to flee. Good luck with your mindset in Ohio. You are looking at $50,000 just to fight the basic murder charge. God help you if you shoot an unarmed black man. LOL I'm black and know better than to try that Eastwood shjt in Ohio. LOL
What you are talking about in Florida is Stand Your Ground laws. We don't have them yet, but our legislatures are working on those laws as we speak.

Florida does have different laws, but in a Trayvon Martin blog I was in, I looked up Florida's CCW laws to base an argument.

Turns out Florida CCW laws are not that much different than Ohio. George Zimmerman's lawyers didn't base their case on Stand Your Ground. They based their argument on self-defense only.

After we passed our Castle Doctrine, an elderly man on the east side of Cleveland shot and killed an unarmed person. The police let him go. The elderly man was robbed a couple of times before the night he heard somebody trying to get into his house. He grabbed his gun and surprised the intruder when he stepped out onto his porch. The intruder then ran away from the old man, but forgot how to open the gate of the fence. He then charged back at the old man who shot and killed the intruder.

The intruder never got into the old mans house. The old man didn't need a CCW and he wasn't covered under the Castle Doctrine. He had every reason to believe he was being attacked and could possibly be killed. The prosecutor never even looked at the case.

But since you are Prosecutor MapleMan, tell me, what would you charge me with? The fact that I shot an unarmed man? There is no law in Ohio that prohibits one from shooting another who is unarmed. So what are you going to charge me with and what evidence do you have for that charge?
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#16 Sep 17, 2013
Maple Resident wrote:
So, if a black guy is say, 6'4", and he's all riled up for some reason, like how sometimes they just go ballistic for no reason, or the guy hates whites because his mother was scared by a white man when she was a little girl, and he's storming towards me, doesn't have a weapon but with his build and anger on his face, I know he's going to try to kill me, so, if I have a gun, I can't shoot him? I can't out run him so what? Just stand there and let him kill me? Naw! boom-boom-boom-BOOM! Gunna shoot ya right down!
In Ohio, you can't shoot a person because you think you are going to lose a fistfight. I challenge you guys to show me examples where people other than cops are getting away with shooting unarmed assailants(non-intruders) in Ohio.

And XXX, I'm not talking about STG in Florida. Under the regular statute for self defense, Florida differs from Ohio.

Whether it's Maple Resident, XXX, or Mapleman, there is a good chance of charges if an unarmed man is shot. Now if we were in Texas or Florida, we could get away with it.

Imagine not having a scratch on you and telling the cops you shot the unarmed man because you thought he was going to kick your a$$. LOL Good luck with that one. You better be busted up before you pull that trigger OR the person better be in your home or attempting to get you while you are in your car.

Technically, you could very well be in fear for your life from an unarmed man. All I am saying is that prosecutors are going to try to discourage such behavior by throwing the book at you. They don't want people shooting people for fear of a butt kicking.

You guys think you are cops; you're not. You will not be afforded the same protection as a cop. If you mistake someone's cell phone as a weapon, you are going to jail -- at least in Ohio.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#17 Sep 17, 2013
It all depends on the circumstances surrounding the shooting. To bring charges against a CCW holder, you have to provide evidence that a law was broken. If a police officer falsely arrests a person or a prosecutor falsely brings charges against a suspect, he or she sets the city up for a lawsuit.

People (black people in particular) are not happy that the azz kicking days are pretty much over. If you attack somebody and they have a gun, you might get shot and killed.

It's a different day than it was in the 70's or 80's. I remember seeing road rage incidents where one guy would get out of his car, pull the other guy out of the car and beat the hell out of him. Today, you can get shot for doing that because when you have a CCW, the Castle Doctrine gives you legal protection in your vehicle. Trying to force your way into somebody's car is no different than you trying to force your way into somebody's home.

This is why the George Zimmerman case was so heated. It's not that Zimmerman got away with breaking the law, it's that he broke no law in the first place. Martin supporters were unhappy that the law favored Zimmerman. They want to see it changed, but the majority of Floridians surveyed want to keep the SYG law either the way it is or perhaps some minor changes.
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#18 Sep 18, 2013
George Zimmerman got away with something which couldn't be done in Ohio. Under Florida law, he never should have been charged. In Ohio, he would have received life. He instigated the whole thing by following Martin. It's perfectly fine under Florida law, but a no-go under Ohio law.

It always depends on the circumstances, but as you know, prosecutors and police have been known to be hard on people. It could be personal opinion(the prosecutor hates guns). It could be public pressure(see Zimmerman).

I remember people doing open carry before there was CCL in Ohio. Open carry was perfectly legal, but people were still getting arrested. Police were arresting them for inducing panic(even if there weren't any citizens calling the police over the open carry). Prosecutors weren't throwing the cases out.

There are some cases when I think prosecutors would hesitate to bring charges. I think someone over the age of 65 could get away with shooting an unarmed assailant. If there are multiple unarmed assailants, a person can assume mortal danger. We already know about intruders and the Castle Doctrine.

I just don't think any of us are getting away with shooting an unarmed assailant on the street. At the very least, we'd probably be forced to take some kind of manslaughter plea. If the incident were within our own races, I feel all of us would have a better chance of getting away with it. It would be harder for me to shoot a white unarmed assailant and not be prosecuted. If you guys shot a black man, same thing. Both cases would probably catch national media attention.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#19 Sep 18, 2013
You mean like the Trayvon Martin case that had the attention of the OJ trial or the barely reported multiple cases of blacks mutilating and killing whites?

Martin ran, and Zimmerman chased him for about ten seconds. Not only did he lose Martin because of his youth and physical abilities, but Zimmerman also adhered to the suggestion of the dispatcher.

Martin didn't go home, call police himself, or seek any kind of shelter. Instead, he stopped between those houses and waited on Zimmerman. Once Zimmerman was off the phone and crossed Martin's path, he was attacked. He suffered multiple injuries before he used his firearm.

Zimmerman stated that the only reason he shot Martin was because his firearm was exposed and Martin tried to remove it from him. Sorry, but if I'm attacked by a stranger here in Ohio, and he tries to take my weapon from me, I have every reason to believe I'm in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. That's our law for CCW holders.

If that were to take place and I was charged, the judge or jury would have to ask themselves if I did indeed believe I was in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death? After all, our law is that a man is innocent until proven guilty--not the other way around.

Be it here or Florida, there is no law that says you can't follow or run after somebody. However, Martin was in the commission of a crime when he got shot. If Zimmerman didn't have a firearm on him and police found the two in the struggle, Martin would have been charged with felonious assault and perhaps even attempted murder. Martin was committing a crime--Zimmerman wasn't.
mapleman

Singapore, Singapore

#20 Sep 19, 2013
I actually consulted with lawyers on this matter. I have paid out of pocket to learn the law. Have you?

Ohio has some very restrictive laws when it comes to self defense. Spend the money and get a lawyer's opinion. Go beyond your gun class; it's worth it.

Once again, in Ohio, you can't contribute to the situation. It's not against the law to argue with a person, but if you do so in Ohio, good luck with your self-defense claim. It's not against the law to follow a person, but if you do so in Ohio, good luck with your self-defense claim. Florida law is different. I could spit in your face in Florida and get away with self defense once you retaliated with enough force.

One does not have to break a law to be considered an aggressor. You really need to talk with some lawyers ASAP.

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