Prayer Doesnt Work
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#1 Jan 14, 2013
Study Concludes Intercessory Prayer Doesn’t Work; Christians Twist the Results
May 15, 2009 By Guest Contributor 97 Comments
I was reading an article in Christianity Today and one of the paragraphs made me do a double-take. I couldn’t believe anyone was actually writing it… it was incredible how much fact-twisting was going on.
First, a bit of background.
It’s no surprise that prayer can have a positive effect on those who believe in it. If you pray, it can relax you and make you feel better. If you know others are praying for you — that others care about you — you feel better and your body might actually respond to that positivity. None of this has anything to do with a god answering (or even listening to) the prayers. It functions more like meditation. Prayer can have a calming, healing effect for those who buy into it.
But what happens when others pray for you and you are unaware of it? To no atheist’s surprise, this has never been shown to work.
This idea has been tested repeatedly — usually, the studies have flaws. And even when the results show that the intercessory prayer has no effect on anyone, those who believe in it will look at the hits and ignore (or rationalize) the misses.
Three years ago, a multi-million-dollar, controlled, double-blind study was conducted to test intercessory prayer.
The Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) found two major results:
1)“Intercessory prayer had no effect on recovery from surgery without complications.”
2)“Patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse.”
Fared worse?! Even I was surprised by that. So were many Christians — this didn’t sit well with them.
This new article from Christianity Today, though, offers a rationalization I’ve never heard before. You can tell they’re really straining to find a silver lining…
#2 Jan 14, 2013
I agree or do I agree! I have prayed for months for some happiness, to be able to forget one person, guess what...it hasn't happened.
#3 Jan 14, 2013
I meant oh instead of or.
#4 Jan 14, 2013
There are many important ideas atheists promote. The following are just a few of them; don't be surprised to see ideas which are also present in some religions.
There is more to moral behavior than mindlessly following rules.
Be especially skeptical of positive claims.
If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to find it.
Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
Make the most of your life, as it's probably the only one you'll have.
It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change yourself.
Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good.
If you must assume something, assume something easy to test.
Don't believe things just because you want them to be true.
#5 Jan 14, 2013
"Is there such a thing as atheist morality?"
If you mean "Is there such a thing as morality for atheists?" then the answer is yes, as explained above. Many atheists have ideas about morality which are at least as strong as those held by religious people. See "More research concerning atheist morality."
If you mean "Does atheism have a characteristic moral code?" then the answer is no. Atheism by itself does not imply anything much about how a person will behave. Most atheists follow many of the same "moral rules" as theists, but for different reasons. Atheists view morality as something created by humans, according to the way humans feel the world 'ought' to work, rather than seeing it as a set of rules decreed by a supernatural being
most behave a certain way because it is socially acceptable and most avoid crime to stay out of jail
sin is not necessarily crime, but some atheist avoid it because they dont approve of that behavior
some atheist dont sin at all, just dont go to church and give to an organization
#6 Jan 14, 2013
also, people in church seem to worship the preacher and his family. they have these people on a pedestal and look crazy in the way they honor this guy. i mean, he is a man just as others are. this is especially true for women. it's like, if i'm on the preacher's good side, i'll be considered good by all. and they believe everything he says. one preacher said something using drugs one time i heard. it was ridiculous. if think drug use isnt the only problem that exists. this church has a drug use program to help those that do, which is good i guess, but it is almost like all the sermons focus on this one problem. the preacher never preaches about greed, about lust, about adultry about gluttony with food, or about other "sins" only drug use and oh yeah, alcohol. i dont do either and grew tired of the concept that church is a rehab facility. it is not and not everyone that goes needs rehabed. i couldnt stand it anymore so i ducked out one sermon, headed to the car
drug use and abuse is a growing problem in our society, but there are other sins that are causing problems and other faults that wreak havoc in the world. i personally found that having someone in your life who is aggressive and mean and trying to succeed and prosper at what ever cost is just as bad as being a drug addict, i mean, these people step all over others in the name of greed. they lie and take credit for others work and they dont help others and are not empathetic to the poor and unfortunate. these people need more sermons than the drug users do
and in support of those that do drugs and drink, most are happy go lucky people who dont bother others. sure, you have the young kids who steal and fight and stuff, but not all who indulge are like that. its no excuse to run out and get drunk, im just saying that there are other sins to preach about and for those that dont have these problems, they dont want to attend church to get rehab they dont need. and some refuse to look down there nose at those who are addicted. they just sin differently than you
#7 Jan 14, 2013
It will get better, each day may be hard but, one day especially when you meet someone else you will not remember that sadness. The Lord does not want ou to be sad but, sometimes things happen to help us to start down the right road in life. I believe prayer works because its basically talking to God and he is alwlays listening.
#8 Jan 14, 2013
Oh you have no clue.....i done met all the people i'm going to. I am not going to put myself out there anymore to just keep getting let down.
#9 Jan 14, 2013
Please don't give up love is the only thing in the world worth living for even if its just friendship, lovers etc. it will work out, everyone THINKS that they will not forget or they will not love again but, they do that's how love works.
#10 Jan 14, 2013
Well i'm 40 yrs old & i thought i found love a couple years ago, but it turned out to be my worst nightmare. I have been dealing with the loss of not only that person that walked away from me a few weeks after miscarrying since nov 2011. I have tried dating, to only be let down with having to reveal the truth because it is what a good person does. I won't lie to anyone ever again i don't care how bad it hurts, living a lie is just wrong. I am not a bad person, never been addicted to anything, never been in trouble, raised my kids the right way taking care of them like a real mother should do. I took care my grnadmother's dying of cancer, i've always been there for other's when they have turned their back on me for just the simplest things. I am like what my bestfriend stated. I let people walk all over me & i'm to good of a person for that. I take responsibility for letting all this happen to me, for being a fool for trying to trust in someone & believe them. My ex was correct when he said no one is ever going to love me for me, not the ex i'm speaking of here, but another ex.
#11 Jan 15, 2013
If people belive in God just keep praying and see what happen
#12 Jan 15, 2013
Just how many ex's do you have? Maybe your the problem...
#13 Jan 15, 2013
I have an ex husband that our parents pushed us to marry at a young age, didn't last long but we have remained friends for 27 yrs. I am divorced as of last year from an 18 yr marriage. We are also remaining friends. There were 2 other male friends, so how about yourself? Bet you have more than 4 huh?
#14 Jan 15, 2013
I've been married for longer than you've been alive.
#15 Jan 15, 2013
praying doesnt help
you have a 50% shot with prayer, like flippin a coin
it either goes the way you want it to or it goes the other way
so, prayer dont help, it just makes you feel a little less helpless when you do it
and then the christians can say that you didnt have enuf faith and that is why prayer didnt help you
unlike them who has the perfect life and god watches out for them and answers every prayer cuz its all about who is the most blessed and that god has been good to me and bad to you
if you would just be honest and share your strife, then we all could laf and say that it is becuz god is not good to you
prayer dont work
#16 Jan 15, 2013
Wow that's awesome! Don't know who marked me as clueless and nuts, but I do know my own life.
#17 Jan 15, 2013
Just because you dont get what your asking for doesn't mean gods not listening and not there for you!!! Read the Bible lifes not sposed to be easy!!! Think of life as a test and if we do good on the test we will get our reward!!!
#18 Jan 15, 2013
Don't believe IN prayer, when your burning IN hell It will be to late. People kill me they think everyone that goes to church should be perfect, were none good, We ALL come short of the glory of god. Want to find the problem, get a mirror, look into It, and tell me what you see? Prayer does help so does going to church, if you go to worriship the lord!!!!!
#19 Jan 16, 2013
I'm with you on this! Prayer makes the one praying feel they have a little extra "backup" over and above any personal power they may have over a situation. It makes them feel better and gives them hope, which isn't a bad thing, necessarily. The problem is that too many people walk around like they're in a daze, waiting for God to do everything for them. If it doesn't turn out in their favor, it was "God's will", and their bad decisions get chalked up to things either "being meant to be or not meant to be". That way they're never responsible for their actions or their bad decisions.
#20 Jan 16, 2013
it's just a bunch of bs
I mean, prayer doesnt change the events that are going to take place
people can change things, they have the "power"
and this nonsense "meant to be" crap, whats that
i mean, who determines what is to be and what is not to be
there is no power other than man that alters what can be and somethings man cant change, like aging
its the natural course of events when someone gets old and dies
if you need $300 for the rent, praying wont give it to you, a job or someone giving it to you are the only ways to get it
pray for what?
nothing, I say
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