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Seymour Police Violate the Rights of Innocent Citizens

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Oxford, CT

#1 Mar 30, 2011
Seymour, CT

The first Amendement of the Bill of Rights states that:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

All policemen upon graduating from the police academy swear an oath to uphold the Constitution against both enemies foreign AND domestic. This oath would hold those policemen to protects the rights of the citizens they work for. That those policeman would swear that before a paycheck is delivered that they will defend these documents against any and all persons who would trample it. Persons to include, criminals, thugs, common citizens, lawyers, judges & politicians. But for some reason American citizens are being detained with absolutely NO PROBABLE CAUSE and interrupted based on an order to stop cars to check for driver's who might be drinking. Now that sounds like a very noble act but there can be no justice derived from an injustice.

People buy knives all of the time, and some even use them to murder innocent people, yet the courts do not feel that it is necessary to institute a program by the police to put all knife buyers under a psychological evaluation. But they do however feel that it is justifiable to stop ANY American citizen and have them submit to a search without any probable cause what so ever. You are secure in your vehicle just as you would be in your home. A policeman cannot just open any car door and search the contents of it without probable cause just as no citizen would allow a policeman to search his home with there being a signed search warrant. There is no difference between the two no matter the cause. It's not the ends which justify the means no matter how many judges would like to believe that we are a nation of men. The fact of the matter is that we are a nation of laws. And if we do not hold those accountable who would break the law then we cannot entrust those with the duty to defend our rights affirmed in the Bill of Rights. The same goes for taking an oath to defend the Constitution when you don't understand what it is that is written in the Constitution.

There will always be drunk drivers as there will all be murders, rapists and thugs. Each of the for mentioned kind of people all use tools but the most common factor between them are the fact that neither cares about the rights of others.
To be inconvenienced and detained unlawfully because of the shortcomings of a policeman's lack of investigatory skills is tyrannical. You must have probable cause to detain an American. You must have reason to believe that the American is about to commit a crime or has committed a crime. You cannot blatantly stop an American in hope that he doesn't know his rights and trick him into incriminating himself.

Sure I believe that DUI are a terrible reality but there is no reason to suspect an innocent man and then force him to stop his vehicle so a policeman can visually snoop in hopes of smelling alcohol.

My solution to these Unconstitutional road blocks is simple. Do your job by priorities. Defend the Constitution and help to protect the rights of Americans without having to violate the rights of those Americans who abide by the laws.

Instead of doing a DUI Road Block, just hangout by the local gin mills and watch the drivers who leave the bars. At least then you might have enough probable cause to detain them and conduct a reasonable search.

Don't get me wrong, the citizens need the police. For God sake, there are a lot of unarmed Americans who are in favor of DUI Roadblocks that depend on the police for protection.

Here is my vid of an Unconstitutional Roadblock in Seymour, CT.


Since: Jan 08

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#2 Apr 1, 2011
what were their names and/or badge numbers? Knowing who they are puts them at the same level of vulnerability and exposure as the rest of the public who AREN'T cops.

Just as there are things you wouldn't do because of public pressure/recrimination, there are things THEY shouldn't do for the very same reasons.

This is called "First Law" - it is older than governments and it extends above-and-beyond anything a government invents.
John Doe

United States

#3 Apr 2, 2011
Hey Steve...sounds like you got your 1st and 4th Amendments wrong; the 1st is free speech while the 4th is search and seizure. Actually you even spelled Amendment wrong, it is not Amendement.

I got hit by a drunk driver. Who protected my rights to be safe and secure. NOBODY did!

Keep up the good work Seymour PD.
John Doe

United States

#4 Apr 2, 2011
Also Steve, you don't need probable cause to detain, but rather reasonable suspicion. If a police officer has PC, that enough for arrest. Maybe you need to get back to those law books.
Steve Murzin

Oxford, CT

#5 Apr 3, 2011
John Doe wrote:
Hey Steve...sounds like you got your 1st and 4th Amendments wrong; the 1st is free speech while the 4th is search and seizure. Actually you even spelled Amendment wrong, it is not Amendement.
I got hit by a drunk driver. Who protected my rights to be safe and secure. NOBODY did!
Keep up the good work Seymour PD.

I'm very sorry to hear that you were struck by a drunk driver and can understand what you might have went through. I myself was involved in a drunk driver accident and had to pull my friends from a vehicle. The scene was horrific.

Thanks for pointing out that I misspelled Amendment and that I referred to the 1st instead of the 4th. It was a simple mistake and something I overlooked.

The fact is that DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional. We don't exactly know what "The idea behind" these screenings are but I can say that from reading historical comparisons that "the idea behind" a surveillance society is never with the sole intention of keeping a citizen or citizens safe.

Any one person or governmental entity or body who would look for ways to trick, manipulate or search for a go around to the rights of an individual is an enemy of the United States. The government and its agencies are entrusted to protect and defend the rights of the individual and may enact legislation so long as in keeps the idea of individual rights in mind and does not in the process of legislation trample upon the rights of another individual.

Though most Americans or at least I would hope that most Americans feel that those who get into a car after consuming alcohol do in fact put others in harms way. But to detain ALL or to violate the rights of all in order to possibly prevent a crime from taking place is in fact tyranny. And any judge that would disagree with that does not have a true appreciation for the idea of America and might have a hidden agenda.

If DUI was so terrible, which in my opinion it is, then why not suspend the license for life and have a 90 day mandatory prison sentence? Why not? I'll tell you why. The fact is that those who do in fact judge and legislate also find themselves driving after a pitstop at the local gin mill. I think we can all agree on that.

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