Man facing trial, charged in fatal mo...

Man facing trial, charged in fatal motorcycle crash

There are 15 comments on the York Dispatch story from Apr 12, 2011, titled Man facing trial, charged in fatal motorcycle crash. In it, York Dispatch reports that:

The case against a Seven Valleys man accused of causing a crash that killed a motorcyclist is heading for trial in York County Court.

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George

Washington, DC

#1 Apr 12, 2011
This loser is dead???? Suspended license?????
PAMOM

New Freedom, PA

#2 Apr 12, 2011
George wrote:
This loser is dead???? Suspended license?????
The man accused of manslaughter was driving with a suspended license. The victim, a woman driving a motorcycle, was killed.

Read more slowly and carefully before you post next time, buddy.
Citizen with Rights

Harrisburg, PA

#3 Apr 12, 2011
Why is this guy out of jail? We already know he doesn't mind driving on a suspended license. What is keeping him from jumping in a car and driving off again?

I am not buying that he fell asleep at the wheel at 4:30PM on a beautiful September afternoon just six tenths of a mile from when he negotiated the previous turn. Plus, if that were the case, how does he explain the skid marks if he was asleep.

Oh yeah: "I fell asleep after successfully negotiating a bend in the road while traveling about 55mph; then, about 5 seconds later, I woke up and realized I was crossing the line, and then slammed on my brakes."

If the judge or jury buys that, I have some land in Florida for them really cheap.

Which is why I ask the question again: Why is this guy out of jail where he can flee prior to the trial (cause he knows he is looking at spending serious time in prison)?? What ever he gets, will not be long enough as the was not an "accident". This was blatant disregard for anything and everything since he was not supposed to behind any wheel on that September day.
Twilly

York, PA

#6 Apr 29, 2011
Amanda Lehr was a licensed approved motorist granted priviledges to be using a public thoroughfare with an approved vehicle - didn't matter if it was a scooter or a Freightliner.

Richard Wiegard was not - in a pre-meditated manner I might add.

"Puffy" arguments citing various facts from the NHTSA are.... kind of silly.
Twilly

York, PA

#7 Apr 29, 2011
Citizen with Rights wrote:
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willing to suggest that the young lady was, in effect, responsible for her death because she was driving a motorcycle. Nobody without an agenda would make such an outrageous -- and offensive -- argument.
I found it also repulsive that he proposed Amanda Lehr was somehow suicidal simply because of her choice of vehicles.... DESPICABLE!

I flagged the post for moderater review. The ending remarks are so heinous and indifferent, it made me speechless.
Citizen with Rights

Harrisburg, PA

#8 Apr 29, 2011
Twilly wrote:
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I found it also repulsive that he proposed Amanda Lehr was somehow suicidal simply because of her choice of vehicles.... DESPICABLE!
I flagged the post for moderater review. The ending remarks are so heinous and indifferent, it made me speechless.
His sympathy for the killer made me ill, but his comment suggesting that young Amanda was somehow responsible for her death made me furious and fighting mad. I would certainly like to assist the jerk in kicking his own ass (and I would do so using the passive tense as he did). However, as I suggested in an earlier post, he clearly knows Weingart as it has not been reported in the papers that Wiengart was driving a 15 year old car at the time he crossed the double-yellow line directly in Amanda's path. The age of the car is irrelevant to the case but would be something a friend of the family would know. As such, he is trying to assist a friend or family member, but just comes across as a complete and utter inconsiderate ass.

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#9 Apr 29, 2011
Citizen with Rights wrote:
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However, as I suggested in an earlier post, he clearly knows Weingart as it has not been reported in the papers that Wiengart was driving a 15 year old car at the time he crossed the double-yellow line directly in Amanda's path. The age of the car is irrelevant to the case but would be something a friend of the family would know.
Your pants are on fire, sir. The newspaper article entitled "Seven Valleys man, 22, charged in crash that killed Jacobus woman, 19" says "Richard Allen Wiegard Jr. of Church Street fell asleep behind the wheel of his 1996 Honda Accord Sept. 13, according to charging documents." (The Daily Record no longer has the article online, but bikerstoretoday.com does.)

Are you so blinded by your feelings of guilt that you cannot READ?

Motorcycles travel only 0.4% of all motor vehicle miles, but they account for more than 13.3% of all motor vehicle deaths (in 2008, 5312 of the 39,800 deaths).

There are multiple reasons why riding a motorcycle is 33 times as deadly as driving a car. For one thing, there are a lot of damned fools riding bikes. This afternoon, a motorcyclist passed me in a double-yellow line section of 202 near Willow Street. Most of the fools, though, seem to be men. A second problem is that motorcycles aren't very visible. Automotive experts recommend driving your car with the headlights on, day or night, rain or shine, to improve visibility of cars, and cars are a LOT easier to see.

But the biggest problem is that you are extremely vulnerable. We wear seat belts in cars so we aren't thrown free - which is what always happens to a biker. We have air bags as well in cars. People total their cars and walk away without a scratch, but with bikes, it's the rider that gets totaled, and the bike that's barely damaged.
Twilly

York, PA

#10 Apr 30, 2011
Citizen with Rights wrote:
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His sympathy for the killer made me ill, but his comment suggesting that young Amanda was somehow responsible for her death made me furious and fighting mad.
Don't stoop to his level - It's becoming clear. He is a sciolistic sociopath that entertains himself by being responded to, using useless statistical data that doesn't have anything to do with the incident and leaving out pertinent and massive fact like the suspended license. Some three-year-olds never grow up, that get smarter, but they never grow up.

Go have a cold one, relax and ignore this sociopath.

I hope he never gets pulled over by a motorcycle cop - he'll have a psychotic event.

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#11 May 1, 2011
Twilly wrote:
leaving out pertinent and massive fact like the suspended license.
Is it a massive fact? Is it a pertinent fact?

I've yet to hear anyone explain WHY his driver's license was suspended. Was he behind on his child support? Did he let his auto insurance lapse?

I've yet to hear any explanation as to why a suspended driver's license would cause him to drive left of center.

I've yet to hear any explanation as to why he fell asleep. Was he on the way home from working a double shift at work? Had he been up all night, the night before, taking care of a sick child? Was there a high carbon monoxide level in his blood from a leaky muffler? Is he an undiagnosed diabetic who was running a high blood sugar?

Show me a reason to hate the kid, and I can deal with that, but so far, all I know is that he fell asleep while he was driving. When someone puts a vehicle on the road, he is responsible for operating it in a safe manner, and for one reason or another, he didn't do that, but normally we punish someone for that by giving them a reckless operation ticket, which is a fine and some points.

It costs $80,000 a year to put someone in prison. I don't yet see any reason to spend $1.2 million to give him a 15 year prison sentence, just for falling asleep. Someone who got drunk, knowing he had to drive home, that might make a little sense, but there's considerably less culpability here.
Citizen with Rights

Harrisburg, PA

#12 May 2, 2011
Harl Delos wrote:
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Is it a massive fact? Is it a pertinent fact?
I've yet to hear anyone explain WHY his driver's license was suspended. Was he behind on his child support? Did he let his auto insurance lapse?
I've yet to hear any explanation as to why a suspended driver's license would cause him to drive left of center.
I've yet to hear any explanation as to why he fell asleep.

.... It costs $80,000 a year to put someone in prison. I don't yet see any reason to spend $1.2 million to give him a 15 year prison sentence, just for falling asleep..... but there's considerably less culpability here.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a complete idiot; insensitive, gullible, self-rightous,and pompous, perhaps, but not a complete idiot.

First, I have yet to hear why it matters why his driver's license was suspended. I think if you check your vast resources of reference material, you will note that a suspended license means that the person is NOT ALLOWED to drive no matter why the license was suspended.

Second, most reasonable people will assume that the courts removed his legal ability to drive because he did something that required that drastic action. I am guessing -- and it is a slightly educated guess -- that he was acting irresponsibly and considered a threat to others who were on the road at the same time. Since rules do not apply to him, why should a little thing like a double yellow line mean anything to him. Just be glad you were not on Rt 214 when he was heading in the opposite direction.

Third, you keep repeating that he "feel asleep". So, you totally trust a guy's word who has every reason to try to justify his irresponsible behavior but willing to throw the victim "under the bus" because you don't like motorcycles. I even tried to give you some helpful information in that the idiot managed fine to negotiate a bend in the road just about 5 seconds before he plowed into Amanda. To most, that would suggest his "I fell asleep" story had a bit of a credibility problem. Of course, should their be a any jurors with your intellect on the jury of his trial, perhaps they will believe he was on his way to church or rushing to help an old lady cross the street and send him home (until he kills someone else).

And finally, even though it has nothing to do with the case, your logic as to why someone should not go to jail is totally flawed. Reminding you again of his suspended license, this makes a SECOND OFFENSE which demonstrates that Weingard does not change his ways with a good firm scolding from a judge. For those people, society finds it necessary to place them somewhere where they can not cause more harm to others in society.

And if you choose to continue being so gullible as to believe this killer's story, please disregard everything I have said and perhaps I can interest you in some lovely waterfront (swamp land) property I have for sale in Florida.

“Studly and Santaesque”

Since: Jan 09

Lancaster, PA

#13 May 2, 2011
Citizen with Rights wrote:
First, I have yet to hear why it matters why his driver's license was suspended. I think if you check your vast resources of reference material, you will note that a suspended license means that the person is NOT ALLOWED to drive no matter why the license was suspended.
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Driving without a license is a $250 fine, not twenty years in prison.

[QUOTE who="Citizen with Rights"]Second, most reasonable people will assume that the courts removed his legal ability to drive because he did something that required that drastic action. I am guessing -- and it is a slightly educated guess -- that he was acting irresponsibly and considered a threat to others who were on the road at the same time.
Getting behind on your child support is irresponsible, unless, of course, you are sick and you miss some paychecks. That doesn't make you a threat to others who use the road at the same time. They take away your license to force you to pay up. Of course, in order to catch up, you need to get back and forth to work, which means you need to drive.
Citizen with Rights wrote:
Since rules do not apply to him, why should a little thing like a double yellow line mean anything to him. Just be glad you were not on Rt 214 when he was heading in the opposite direction.
Very few people are very good as discerning whether there are double yellow lines or not when they have their eyes shut. Or do you sleep with your eyes wide open?
Citizen with Rights wrote:
Third, you keep repeating that he "feel asleep". So, you totally trust a guy's word who has every reason to try to justify his irresponsible behavior but willing to throw the victim "under the bus" because you don't like motorcycles.
The traffic reconstruction experts say he was going about 50 or 55. Nobody has suggested that he was drag-racing, or playing "mailbox baseball", or playing "chicken." Nobody has suggested that he was drunk, or tailgating, or trying to "do doughnuts". Nobody has suggested that he was inattentive and left of center because he was text-messaging, or talking on the cellphone, or putting on fingernail polish, or eating a sandwich or drinking a thick milkshake.

He owns up to being left of center, which is obviously a traffic violation, and nobody has presented an alternative explanation except you, who seem to think that he swerved left of center because he felt like killing someone. Did he know her? Was he mad at her for some reason?
Citizen with Rights wrote:
I even tried to give you some helpful information in that the idiot managed fine to negotiate a bend in the road just about 5 seconds before he plowed into Amanda.
How sharp is the bend in the road? Is the bend to the right or the left? And by managing "fine" to negotiate the bend in the road, do you mean that he remained centered in his own lane, or do you mean that he didn't get involved in a collision there?

How many seconds does it take you to close your eyelids, anyway?
Citizen with Rights wrote:
Reminding you again of his suspended license, this makes a SECOND OFFENSE which demonstrates that Weingard does not change his ways with a good firm scolding from a judge.
If your first offense is being late for a court date for a burnt-out tail light, that doesn't make you a bad man.
Citizen with Rights

Harrisburg, PA

#14 May 3, 2011
Harl Delos wrote:
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If your first offense is being late for a court date for a burnt-out tail light, that doesn't make you a bad man.
And if we had ham we could have ham and eggs if we had eggs.

I rescind me previous comment about your not being a complete idiot.
Twilly

York, PA

#15 May 3, 2011
Citizen - he's drawing you in, don't do it. He has pretzel logic - He would defend a meth-head throwing a baby into the middle of an intersection with a broken traffic light.

I saw the skid marks in the road personally.... Long, calculated, at inappropriate speeds for the road. Amanda's sole skidmark was short, spastic, right by the shoulder, defensive with no hope....

Everybody at the scene KNEW something was NOT right...
Twilly

York, PA

#16 May 3, 2011
A long pontification is usually worthless, but the writer enjoys it. The reader, somewhat less.
Citizen with Rights

Harrisburg, PA

#17 May 4, 2011
Twilly wrote:
Citizen - he's drawing you in, don't do it. He has pretzel logic -...
Thank you, Twilly, I know you are right. Clearly, the idiot Harl thinks that he makes an intelligent argument by streaming together and endless supply of hypotheticals. It is so tempting to take issue with each showing that none is applicable to this case, but you are right: that is a complete waste of time.

I will respond no further to that blow-heart, nor read another ridiculous comment that he types.

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