hmm

Madisonville, KY

#211 May 2, 2013
Question: while I agree with drug testing..monthly. what about the children who have parents addicted to drugs and fail a test then get nothing? I see it as how do you punish the adults without starving the children? I'm sure some parents would stop getting high, but what about the majority of the others that won't?
hmm

Madisonville, KY

#212 May 2, 2013
Summer is coming up in a couple of weeks and the kids will not be able to have the free lunches and breakfasts. What then?
realtalk

Carterville, IL

#213 May 2, 2013
Link and Kid Care should be abolished! If you want kids then you need to pay for their food and healthcare. No objections! The state shouldn't pay for your choices. Get a job and pay for your own things.
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#214 May 2, 2013
hmm wrote:
Question: while I agree with drug testing..monthly. what about the children who have parents addicted to drugs and fail a test then get nothing? I see it as how do you punish the adults without starving the children? I'm sure some parents would stop getting high, but what about the majority of the others that won't?
I wish to try and explain if I may. The parents whom are on the Link Card getting a random or periodical drug test should occur. With that said the problem you mentioned is a valid issue and it has been thought about. Any parent with children receiving this card would be subject to loss of parental rights if they turned up positive for an illegal substance of any kind. If they can prove the parent is using drugs or under the influence it actually helps out the police or DCFS in making a decision to yank the kiddos out of a bad environment, thus creating a more stabile and drug free environment for the children involved. Now would this be a permanent solution? Maybe and maybe not. It would depend on how much the parents in question love their children. I notice many of you wish for parents to lose parental rights for doing drugs..if they are on welfare this may just be the answer to a prayer. Its not perfect but it may help aid in keeping more kids safer.
question

Madisonville, KY

#215 May 2, 2013
That would be perfect nodope...except where do you put the kids? There is not even close enough to enough foster homes as it is, open up many homes like orphanages? Temp housing for the kids. And parents lose all benefits. I agree real talk, if you can't afford them, don't have them..but circumstances change, maybe after you have the first one and show that you can't afford more, by having to be on state aid, forced birth control? Then everyone is going to cry "freedom of religion" catholics do not believe in BC. So then what?
yes

Carterville, IL

#216 May 2, 2013
i work two minimum wage jobs and am a full time student. i have an inheritated condition and have to see a specialty doctor every three months. I've been in and out of the hospital for the past year. I can barely get insurance because of my pre existing condition and the insurance I have now is outrageous and barely pays anything. I work and go to school to better myself. I don't drink, never have touched drugs, no pregnancies. I exercise and eat healthy yet I cannot get Medicare. Someone explain to me how teen age girls get knocked up in high school then get free insurance aid, link, wic. druggies get disability and link for all their kids. yet i can't get insurance from the state and I am the one doing something with my life and not living off the state?! This whole country is pathetic. People are lazy. If you want stuff you pay for it the state shouldn't pick up your tab because of your poor choices. You got yourself in the situation you deal with it. I am proud of who I am and happy to pay for everything I have.
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#217 May 2, 2013
question wrote:
That would be perfect nodope...except where do you put the kids? There is not even close enough to enough foster homes as it is, open up many homes like orphanages? Temp housing for the kids. And parents lose all benefits. I agree real talk, if you can't afford them, don't have them..but circumstances change, maybe after you have the first one and show that you can't afford more, by having to be on state aid, forced birth control? Then everyone is going to cry "freedom of religion" catholics do not believe in BC. So then what?
Cut the program all together like other countries do and they either work or starve...it sounds harsh and cruel...I must admit it wouldn't be pleasant but lets just say that it would likely slow down the population if the parents realized it doesnt pay them to just have kids. In many cases there is other family that would take the kids and I dont suspect the cases of drug use around kids being a huge burden...I see most parents stopping their habits if they love their kids. That is my thoughts and yes if you are on welfare (meaning you are broke and no means of supporting your children) then by all means you should be required to use BC. If your religion interferes become a nun or priest and abstain from sex all together. That isnt a poke at religion make it a crime to create more life if you have no means to take care of what you already have. As in to say it could be a misdemeanor to bring children into the world if you are on welfare or just ban them from the program or have them mentally evaluated and commit them to a home for the insane. Something is wrong with someone who creates more children with no means of supporting them. There is no solid solution because the whine bags always seem to win but I still feel the drug use should be monitored...working people have to do it so why lose a job for drugs then be able to draw welfare..if you use you lose...thats the old motto we teach the kiddos and we need to teach the parents. Just my opinions on the matter not trying to make it personal towards you or anyone else...except the dopers that want me and you to support their nasty habits.
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#218 May 2, 2013
yes wrote:
i work two minimum wage jobs and am a full time student. i have an inheritated condition and have to see a specialty doctor every three months. I've been in and out of the hospital for the past year. I can barely get insurance because of my pre existing condition and the insurance I have now is outrageous and barely pays anything. I work and go to school to better myself. I don't drink, never have touched drugs, no pregnancies. I exercise and eat healthy yet I cannot get Medicare. Someone explain to me how teen age girls get knocked up in high school then get free insurance aid, link, wic. druggies get disability and link for all their kids. yet i can't get insurance from the state and I am the one doing something with my life and not living off the state?! This whole country is pathetic. People are lazy. If you want stuff you pay for it the state shouldn't pick up your tab because of your poor choices. You got yourself in the situation you deal with it. I am proud of who I am and happy to pay for everything I have.
Bravo and thank you for this. You hit the nail on the head in more ways than one. I am sorry to hear of your condition and hope you can make it successfully. I commend you for your hard work. Now to what I really wanted to say. The problem with the welfare program is it is designed to make people be lazy. Like if you get a minimum wage job you dont qualify for as much if at all. But if you sit on your ass and be lazy you can get $700 for a family of 5. Now if one of those family members gets a minimum wage job it causes that figure to go down to $340 or less. Add that up if you get a job work lets say 30 hours a week it will cost you to hire a babysitter, vehicle, gas and auto insurance...plus a hit on your free groceries. Now me I believe they should give the lazy about $340 a month and give the one that actually puts forth some effort a little boost. Im not for starving kids but lets face it if you arent working you could be cooking and food isnt that expensive just yet. Problem is most of these people are blowing this free food and wasting it, even feeding it to their dogs and other animals they can't otherwise care for. It is disgusting to hear of your situation but its just as if not more disgusting to see and know people are abusing what free food they are getting...even the ones eating a tbone steak while their kids eat bologna and hot dogs. It sickens me the whole program does.
yes

Carterville, IL

#219 May 2, 2013
Thank you its been a hard year but I was back to work and school the following week because I can't afford to sit around and feel bad for myself when I have bills to pay. You make very valid points! I am happy someone sees my reasoning.
NODOPE wrote:
<quoted text> Bravo and thank you for this. You hit the nail on the head in more ways than one. I am sorry to hear of your condition and hope you can make it successfully. I commend you for your hard work. Now to what I really wanted to say. The problem with the welfare program is it is designed to make people be lazy. Like if you get a minimum wage job you dont qualify for as much if at all. But if you sit on your ass and be lazy you can get $700 for a family of 5. Now if one of those family members gets a minimum wage job it causes that figure to go down to $340 or less. Add that up if you get a job work lets say 30 hours a week it will cost you to hire a babysitter, vehicle, gas and auto insurance...plus a hit on your free groceries. Now me I believe they should give the lazy about $340 a month and give the one that actually puts forth some effort a little boost. Im not for starving kids but lets face it if you arent working you could be cooking and food isnt that expensive just yet. Problem is most of these people are blowing this free food and wasting it, even feeding it to their dogs and other animals they can't otherwise care for. It is disgusting to hear of your situation but its just as if not more disgusting to see and know people are abusing what free food they are getting...even the ones eating a tbone steak while their kids eat bologna and hot dogs. It sickens me the whole program does.
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#220 May 3, 2013
yes wrote:
Thank you its been a hard year but I was back to work and school the following week because I can't afford to sit around and feel bad for myself when I have bills to pay. You make very valid points! I am happy someone sees my reasoning. <quoted text>
We may be the only two on here with these views and yes none of us that have bills and know what work is have the time to sit around having a pity party. Although sometimes its tempting to. I hope things get better or at least are improving. Keep your chin up and trudge through the madness that this world so often brings.
question

Madisonville, KY

#221 May 3, 2013
You both have great qualities...pride! And we all know how important that is, and thanks for the intelligent conversation. When I debate it I go in circles and its nice to see other opinions without a world war starting over opinions. Good luck to you both in life:)
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#224 May 4, 2013
Lincolns_Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't believe that someone in the 21st Century is seriously suggesting what you're suggesting. Anyone who would even SUGGEST letting children go hungry needs to seriously examine his/her ethical values. FOR SHAME!
I am not suggesting that children should go hungry I am merely saying that the parents should and if they cannot stay off of dope then they shouldn't have their kids either. Oh I should be shamed? Give it a rest. I have my kids, I am drug free and work hard for everything me and them all have. We aren't starving but a bunch of people who suggest that a parent who is unwilling to get off their lazy carcass and actually do something productive is what is in need of examination not some redneck that pays in to support their filthy life altering and life endangering habits. Yes I have indeed very politely told you to kiss it where the sun doesn't shine!
funny

Du Quoin, IL

#226 May 4, 2013
Most of these people complaining about food stamps probably have a all kids card for health insurance. No difference people It's public aid! I don't have a problem with either if people need them. I just think people want to get on this site and complain. Children can't help it people.
Hmph

Johnston City, IL

#227 May 4, 2013
Is it really our responsibility to support every child that is starving? Its ok to happen around the globe, just don't look. But if it occurs close to home its our problem... I don't think so, its all the deadbeat parents fault, don't try to make us hard working tax payers feel guilty about the future drug addict/welfare recipients going hungry. Charity starts at home. Survival of the fittest.
Hmph

Johnston City, IL

#228 May 4, 2013
Remember, God has a plan and life isn't fair.
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#229 May 4, 2013
Lincolns_Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't cut off SNAP to the parents without cutting off the children, too, so quite playing at sophistry. You ARE saying that the children should go hungry!
Listen really close here and if you would read and pay attention to what you read I have said many times that a place called DCFS and the local police would be in charge of taking reports from DHS. If they are caught doing drugs its not good for the kids and furthermore those kids would not starve as once DHS has a hot piss test they would take action to remove the kids thus leaving the parents out in the cold without their kids, unless those parents could over the course of time prove they have changed they wouldnt qualify to be custodial parents much less partakers of any state welfare. Please pay attention and dont assume I want to starve anyones kids. Good grief! If all the agencies would do their jobs and be effectively they would have those kids in a safer environment very quickly. Many family members would be willing to accept the kids in their homes such as grandparents of these kids. Yes in the unfortunate circumstance no grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins, brothers or sisters were able to take on the responsibilities of rearing the children a home of other means would have to be found. Is it sad? YES! Is it good for us to keep enabling children to be raised by a damn meth lab? HELL NO! Try getting your own head examined. Thanks and have a wonderful rainy day!
NODOPE

Sims, IL

#230 May 4, 2013
funny wrote:
Most of these people complaining about food stamps probably have a all kids card for health insurance. No difference people It's public aid! I don't have a problem with either if people need them. I just think people want to get on this site and complain. Children can't help it people.
The children cannot help it. That is unfortunate but if that childs parents are some kind of a fruit cake the child grows up as an outcast in many cases with very few if any friends. That child didnt choose their parents no more than the man on the moon but the child suffers emotionally from that and society allows it to happen repeatedly. That child is a good child and should be accepted regardless of how much a dumbass his parents may be. And for the record I work for what I have. No one giving it to me. If I commit a wrong I pay for it just like any other honest and responsible person should. I dont expect the state to take care of my faults, failures or blunders in life and neither should they. I can understand needing it for a time but making a damn 3-4 generation career out of it is another thing. Put them on it for up to a year and then force them to look for work provided they arent disabled then other programs are available. So dont go saying I would starve the handicapped people. I do have to also agree with another comment posted that we in america have to feel guilty when others fall or fail but in other countries we can turn our heads to them, call them terrorists, and make other excuses to disown, and further allow their children to starve. Its called survival of the fittest in that comment. If we are going to save the world lets get to crackin'. If not then we have to tighten the belts and trim the fat off the budgets so the working class can appreciate some of the money they work for. If we want the government to take care of our every need just continue down the road to this socialist/communist regime we are currently switching to that is taxing the working class (people who try to make a way for themselves) to death!
not again

Ballwin, MO

#231 May 9, 2013
on't make the mistake that I did and go to walmart on the first of the month unless you go early and beat everyone out of bed by the way,can u use a link card to get a tattoo
wow

Tulsa, OK

#232 May 9, 2013
not again wrote:
on't make the mistake that I did and go to walmart on the first of the month unless you go early and beat everyone out of bed by the way,can u use a link card to get a tattoo
They walk among us

*shakes head*
Wolf23

Bensenville, IL

#233 Oct 14, 2015
Top Chef wrote:
Earlier on today I was on lunch break and after I had finished eating, I went to get some gas before heading back to work. I filled up my tank and went in to pay thinking that it would be a quick trip. I could not have been more wrong. The person in front of me was a morbidly obese, heavily tattoed, trashy looking woman who was buying a large amount of junk food (i.e. sodas, candy, Little Debbie snack cakes). While her 4 or 5 out-of-control children were running around the aisles screaming, this charming lady proudly whipped out her LINK Card. The whole time, she was taking her sweet time gabbing it up with the cashier and she seemed to have no concern that the person in line behind her might have places to be. To top it all off, she had to get cash back on her LINK Card so she could buy a pack of cigarettes and a pint of Chrystal Palace vodka, making it take even longer. I ended up being late getting back to work because of her. Does anyone else just love how inconsiderate LINK Card users are? Why should they be in a hurry? Its not like they gotta be anywhere, fuck the people who have to work so their taxes can fund their couch potato lifestyles.
You know theres alot of people who use the link program for good and go to Aldi's to save on groceries. Worry about yourself and not others if you have nothing progressive, helpful, or positive to say. Complaining gets you nowhere. If the lady was doing that then so be it. Chances are her life isn't as fortunate as yours. I think its inconsiderate of people like you to quickly judge someone not knowing anything about thier life. I struggle to live and maintain and im only 25. Most of my paycheck goes to rent. Thankfully i was eligible for the link program and i can actually save money for a car. I've been living on my own since 17 and my life hasn't been a cakewalk but i am grateful for services that help people struggling.

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