Deputies seize cigarettes from upstate NY tribe

Full story: WHEC-TV Rochester, NY

Authorities in two upstate New York counties raided cigarette shops operated by the Cayuga Indian Nation.
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Since: Nov 08

Batavia, NY

#21 Dec 14, 2008
Rochester resident wrote:
About time,they have been getting away with it for years.I pay taxes so should they.
And they should continue to get away with it. How much land can we covet and destroy in the process, which, by the way, belonged to the natives way before we (Americans?)entered these lands! You are either ignorant or perpetuated by jealousy. Sorry if I've offended you but, you need to become more involved with history before you use a stupid comment like, "they have been getting away with it for years" They have gotten away with NOTHING except trying to live.
Alysia03

Palmyra, NY

#22 Jan 10, 2009
Rochester resident wrote:
About time,they have been getting away with it for years.I pay taxes so should they.
You are the reason the world is the way it is. The Native Peoples were here first so why in the hell should they pay for "our rules". If you knew anything about the would outside of your white society, took some time to educate yourself about other cultures and learn their history. FYI: I'm a white American.
Stand With Us

Rochester, NY

#23 Jan 11, 2009
Amazing isn`t it? NY`ers are taxed to death and this is why NY has lost 57% of its residents. More leave every day. For some people, this is good news that the Native`s were once again, "robbed" of a living. Robbed of land and life, and it still continues today. Look how much we have progressed as a people who prides itself on honor and freedom and believe in the right to just live. Well done! Thank you to our Gov. who had the nerve to show us how to steal once again from the Natives! To bring shame and humiliation upon NY! What, because it was Native Americans, they have no rights? Guess so. Boy, talk about discrimination.
Stand With Us

Rochester, NY

#24 Jan 11, 2009
What treaty have the Sioux made with the white man that we have broken? Not one. What treaty have the white man ever made with us that they have kept? Not one. When I was a boy the Sioux owned the world; the sun rose and set on their land; they sent ten thousand men to battle. Where are the warriors today? Who slew them? Where are our lands? Who owns them?....What law have I broken? Is it wrong for me to love my own? Is it wicked for me because my skin is red? Because I am a Sioux; because I was born where my father lived; because I would die for my people and my country?
Sitting Bull quote

I am a Sioux. And this quotation fits.

Since: Jan 09

Pittsford, NY

#25 Jan 11, 2009
John wrote:
Well I think Indians should not have to charge tax to other Indians. But if big brother whitey comes in then he has to pay the tax. If no then the state of New York needs to setup tax toll booths as people reenter the state from the reservations.
WOW! wonderful idea!! Anything to lower my taxes. Native Americans can skip the tax, but everybody else needs to pay! BUT, that will open another can of worms and illegal buying and selling.

Since: Jan 09

Pittsford, NY

#26 Jan 11, 2009
Stand With Us wrote:
Amazing isn`t it? NY`ers are taxed to death and this is why NY has lost 57% of its residents. More leave every day. For some people, this is good news that the Native`s were once again, "robbed" of a living. Robbed of land and life, and it still continues today. Look how much we have progressed as a people who prides itself on honor and freedom and believe in the right to just live. Well done! Thank you to our Gov. who had the nerve to show us how to steal once again from the Natives! To bring shame and humiliation upon NY! What, because it was Native Americans, they have no rights? Guess so. Boy, talk about discrimination.
Pull up your 'Big Girl Panties' Or "Big Boy Fruit of the Looms' and deal with it!! NEXT?
sandy4514

United States

#27 Jan 11, 2009
You can't "steal" the land from people who didn't "own" it. It was the white man who came in and set up the rules and boundaries of "this land is your land, this land is mine" Like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog. The shame is how the Indians were treated as a result of all this "land-claiming", killed if they fought back, marched to reservations under orders of a treaty, treated like third or fourth-class citizens even to this day. African-Americans have all kinds of programs and advocates, and now have a President in this land they were forced to come to as slaves. If the Indian claims their rights under treaties signed way back when just to shut them up, everyone gets their "shorts in a bunch" and say No! No! be a normal American! They'll be the last men standing when our economy collapses. Good old last laugh.
Susan B

Rochester, NY

#28 Jan 11, 2009
GOOD, Its about time the Indians had to pay taxes, let them support other welfare recipients the way we have had to support them. NO more tax exemption status for losing the fight.

Indians ARE NOT Native to America. They came over and escaped from a bad situation in their individual home countries. Indians should be DNAed to see what country they come from. Some look oriental, and Russian, and European.

No One is Native to any country, on any continent on the planet. People moved around as "tribes" even thousands of years ago, including Europe, Russia, Asia, africa, and south america.

Its time to start charging Indians taxes, and take away their idea of reservations and quit giving them assistance of any kind. We won the land fair and square. Pay up what you owe America!!
Stand With Us

Rochester, NY

#29 Jan 12, 2009
Ignorance is bliss huh Urban Flower and Susan? Karma is a bytch. Yours back to you 3 fold!!! Starting today!
nick

Batavia, NY

#30 Jan 12, 2009
THE BOSTON TEA PARTY
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT
I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY ARE TAXING
WHEN YOU TAX SOMETHING MORE THEN OTHER THINGS WELL ISNT IT AN UNFAIR TAX.
OH YEA HEALTH CARE COST WELL THEN TAX EVERYTHING EQUALLY THAT IMPACTS YOUR HEALTH.
OH EQUALLY THATS A SCARY MISPELT WORD HUH EQUAL, CONSTITUTION, FREEDOM, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Since: Jan 09

Charlotte, MI

#31 Jan 20, 2009
Isn't Cayuga County, well, named after the Cayuga Nation and Cayuga People???

Most people would hope that a County named in honor of the Cayuga Nation, would in theory and in action, oh, I don't know:::; HONOR THE CAYUGA NATION.

How come the County did not gain the invaluable assistance of the Bureau of Alcohol, TOBACCO, and Firearms (ATF)? Doesn't this Federal Agency still have jurisdiction, the best expertise, and personnel able to effectively deal with TOBACCO distribution violations?

I find it more than odd that the County acted alone in executing this operation, and decided that the best method to resolve their concerns was with "gun-boat diplomacy" [i.e. where you are asked to agree at the point of a gun].
sandy4514

United States

#32 Jan 21, 2009
The County wasn't required to use the ATF because it wasn't on reservation lands, where only the Feds have jurisdiction. Sure, it was a nasty thing to do, but they're not stupid. They did it to make a point. Did it because they could.

Since: Jan 09

Charlotte, MI

#33 Jan 21, 2009
sandy4514 wrote:
The County wasn't required to use the ATF because it wasn't on reservation lands, where only the Feds have jurisdiction. Sure, it was a nasty thing to do, but they're not stupid. They did it to make a point. Did it because they could.
Might makes Right...

Thanks for answering--sounds just like the way the Cayuga have been treated over the last 200+ years.
Stand With Us

Rochester, NY

#34 Jan 21, 2009
Hmmm.....Clinton and Sullivan, on orders from Gen. George Washington to wipe out the Nations and now Gov. Paterson. Doesn`t matter the year, or century, still the same result. Wipe out a peoples and a way to live.

Since: Nov 08

Batavia, NY

#35 Jan 29, 2009
Stand With Us

I couldn't agree with you more! Gov. Paterson is not only trying to pull a fast one over everyones "eyes" but is trying to govern "Our" land with higher taxes so that he is able to fill his pockets with the silver and gold. Fat tax??? Give me a break. Yes, people should eat healthy meals on a daily basis but, if the poor can only afford a small meal that consists of french fries and a burger from McDonalds, then you tell me where the justice is in that!! Paterson needs to step down before someone pushes him out. Leave the Native Americans out of it. Their land is "THEIR" land!!!
Nick in G-Burg

Gettysburg, PA

#37 Feb 7, 2009
Personally I am ashamed of Sherriff Gould, and I worked for his campaign. He promised he would never do anything Outhouse did while he was in office (see: Shutting down the Cayuga's casino). Yet here he go his deputies moving without orders and raiding sovreign land. I am happy to hear that the Cayuga's have reopened. More power to them.
Cheers
sandy4514

United States

#38 Feb 8, 2009
They didn't raid sovereign land, that's the point. The C-stores were on land not on the reservation, the only reason they COULD do it without the Feds. No way could they go on reservation land and raid them.
nick

Batavia, NY

#39 Feb 8, 2009
Barb wrote:
Get ready people, New York is coming for what's in your wallet too!!!! Thanks to the idiots on wall strett in the "City" ,all of New York will have to pay and they will grab the $ anyway they can. Casinos are next, then more taxes on Thruway, hotels etc so any business actually left in New York will leave.
Tax, tax, tax.
Those in the Boston Tea party are crying...
Where or where has our country gone???
oh god barb dont talk like that you will surely get arrested

“Kachina dances in the plaza”

Since: Feb 12

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#40 Feb 22, 2012
Susan B wrote:
Indians ARE NOT Native to America. They came over and escaped from a bad situation in their individual home countries. Indians should be DNAed to see what country they come from. Some look oriental, and Russian, and European.
Where do Anglo Saxons or Celts originate from? Are your ancestors native to Europe, or did they too migrate from warmer climates after the end of the last ice age? Native Americans are native in the sense that they arrived on the continent before anyone else, having migrated from Siberia to North America. Do you consider yourself native to America because you invaded it?
Susan B wrote:
We won the land fair and square. Pay up what you owe America!!
How do you define fair and square? Massive use of military force, genocide, ethnic cleansing, large scale illegal immigration to lands the US government stole? Native people owe America nothing. Karma's a bitch; your children and their children will all have to learn either Chinese or Spanish, get used to it.

“Reality is settling in...”

Since: Nov 08

Stop sweating the small stuff.

#41 Feb 22, 2012
Sweet Medicine wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do Anglo Saxons or Celts originate from? Are your ancestors native to Europe, or did they too migrate from warmer climates after the end of the last ice age? Native Americans are native in the sense that they arrived on the continent before anyone else, having migrated from Siberia to North America. Do you consider yourself native to America because you invaded it?
<quoted text>
How do you define fair and square? Massive use of military force, genocide, ethnic cleansing, large scale illegal immigration to lands the US government stole? Native people owe America nothing. Karma's a bitch; your children and their children will all have to learn either Chinese or Spanish, get used to it.
Amen...the White man and his thieving, sneaky, GREEDY, conniving ways are why Amerikkka is the way it is! The White man wants ALL the profits from the drug deals. LMAO!!!!

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