Volusia teachers: Fed up with cuts

Volusia teachers: Fed up with cuts

There are 17 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Oct 3, 2008, titled Volusia teachers: Fed up with cuts. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Volusia County's public-school teachers plan a massive public-relations war against their bosses.

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Parent and Teacher

United States

#1 Oct 3, 2008
This is also the fault of Chalie Crist (R) and the Republican legislature. They have been gutting education budgets for the past couple years. Vote them out of office in November!!!!!!
marko

Orlando, FL

#2 Oct 3, 2008
it's all falling apart so very very fast! wow,amazing.....
when you cut pay,you bring down economy,cash flow,bring up cost of living,hi inflation...this country is bringing itself down by paying employees much lower! thats a fact,they hurt themselves in long run!if the little man has no extra money to spend in all businesses,then their business hurts...and if we don't educate our kids properly,we fall behind the rest of the world...which we already have against some country's....it's all falling apart!
marko

Orlando, FL

#3 Oct 3, 2008
the bible is the first and most important education you could ever have and need,not that basic education is not important,it is...but to learn about god,your almighty father who knows whats best for us if we just listen to him,he will instruct us on what to do...and society is failing him,not coming to him!god is love,he loves all his children ,but they do have to obey him..he cares....man is walking in his own steps today...
Redogg

Orlando, FL

#4 Oct 3, 2008
I'm not pro teacher's union in the least, but I think just about anyone can look at our public school system in Florida and realize that every district is top-heavy with unqualified administrators.

Instead of having former grade school teachers make the business and financial decisions for our schools, we should have experienced MBAs at the helm. Leave teachers in the classrooms and let professionals take care of the rest.
Larry

Boston, MA

#5 Oct 3, 2008
Yeah, look how the Lotto is helping education in Florida.
Maxfield

Clearwater, FL

#6 Oct 3, 2008
Redogg wrote:
I'm not pro teacher's union in the least, but I think just about anyone can look at our public school system in Florida and realize that every district is top-heavy with unqualified administrators.
Instead of having former grade school teachers make the business and financial decisions for our schools, we should have experienced MBAs at the helm. Leave teachers in the classrooms and let professionals take care of the rest.
I agree with you completely. I ride past the Orange County School building on Jackson and Rosalind. What a waste of taxpayer's money. No one can convince me that those administration jobs are more important than our teachers. Agree with need to hire experienced professional MBA's to run the schools like a business.
really

Gainesville, FL

#7 Oct 3, 2008
if you want to run the school like a business, then there will be no tenure to save bad teachers, and YES, there will be incentives and merit pay, and there will be decisions based on saving money, such as the flip for middle school and high school. Still want the schools run like a business?

OH and everybody in town will NOT be allowed to tell you how to do your job.
thinkaboutit

Lake Mary, FL

#8 Oct 4, 2008
If you want to run school like a business, then there will be no students accepted who could not make the grade. Business run on the idea of profit and sending out the best. If students were a basket of strawberries then only the best would be sent out to market and the others would be picked out and disgarded. America is one of the few that try to educate all of its children. With more and more recall on products you can see that isn't working to well either. We can not be all things to all people. Personal responsibilty is at an all time low.
republican mom

Center Hill, FL

#9 Oct 4, 2008
i teach because i love it, i teach for the children.. all those other teachers are so whiny........ god bless the usa
SoccerMom

Kansas City, MO

#10 Oct 4, 2008
Volusia runs out of money and fires teachers while it gave MILLIONS to a couple of local wealthy tycoons to fund their personal indulgences in the arts.
Ask Brown and Brown and The News Journal where the money is.
This is shameful

“I aim to misbehave”

Since: Mar 08

Boston Mass

#11 Oct 4, 2008
While I sympathize with my Volusia colleagues, I just want to know where they think the money might come from. Okay, you cut a few administrators, but then what? You need more teachers, but what classrooms will you put them in? You couldn't reopen one of the closed schools; the money put back in from administrative cuts couldn't cover the operating budget. If you spread it around to all the teachers in the district (in the form of a pay raise), wouldn't it be a negligible amount?

I think this a problem without solutions.
thinkaboutit

Lake Mary, FL

#12 Oct 5, 2008
I think that it is more about respect to those who are truly good teachers than anything. It would have been nice if the Superintendent had led the way with the 2% pay cut she imposed upon her administrators. If she truly cared about what was best for students and her employees, she would have been a leader instead waiting until the very end. To not consider, HERSELF, as part of her TEAM VOLUSIA was like a slap in the face for all.
Conservative Republican

Cocoa, FL

#13 Oct 6, 2008
Kaylee42 wrote:
While I sympathize with my Volusia colleagues, I just want to know where they think the money might come from. Okay, you cut a few administrators, but then what? You need more teachers, but what classrooms will you put them in? You couldn't reopen one of the closed schools; the money put back in from administrative cuts couldn't cover the operating budget. If you spread it around to all the teachers in the district (in the form of a pay raise), wouldn't it be a negligible amount?
I think this a problem without solutions.
K-12 public schools need more money? Fire at least half the worthless administration staff, consolidate half-empty school buildings, eliminate the stupid class size amendment, and charge tuition to all families with children using the school system.
school board disconnect

Maryville, TN

#14 Oct 6, 2008
The School Board and Superintendent only tap the "Team Volusia" mantra when it works for them, for feel good purposes. But, their actions say otherwise. They believe they are worth what they are paid. They also believe that their mere pittance of a salary, since they are really worth SO much more, does not significantly impact the budget, so why bother cutting their salaries. They really don't exemplify the "Team" concept because they hold themselves above all others. They know better and they deserve more. What's good for the rank & file is NOT what is good for the administration. They do not lead by example, they are not inclusive and transparent in their decision making. They do not believe in the message of shared pain, in fact just the opposite when they worry about the message the Superintendent's requested 2% will send. Give me a break! NO raises, period, for the superintendent and school board members and maybe their lip service would be believable. People are losing their jobs and homes. Maybe they should expect the same of themselves that they expect of their employees during these critical financial times: just be happy you have a job!

And by the way, just why were pink slips handed out last week to teachers and this week there are brand spanking new teachers in Volusia classrooms? Answer me that! Games, games, games.
TigerTchr

Kissimmee, FL

#15 Oct 6, 2008
Maxfield wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you completely. I ride past the Orange County School building on Jackson and Rosalind. What a waste of taxpayer's money. No one can convince me that those administration jobs are more important than our teachers. Agree with need to hire experienced professional MBA's to run the schools like a business.
The Orange County administration building (Crotty and his bunch) is at Jackson and Rosalind. The OCPS building is on Amelia Street near the Arena.

Want to save money? Cut down on paperwork. I can't tell you how many man hours and resources are spent filling out reports that disappear into the bowels of file cabinets, never to be seen again.

Want to improve schools? ASK YOUR TEACHERS!
Making it count

Apopka, FL

#16 Oct 6, 2008
TigerTchr wrote:
<quoted text>
The Orange County administration building (Crotty and his bunch) is at Jackson and Rosalind. The OCPS building is on Amelia Street near the Arena.
Want to save money? Cut down on paperwork. I can't tell you how many man hours and resources are spent filling out reports that disappear into the bowels of file cabinets, never to be seen again.
Want to improve schools? ASK YOUR TEACHERS!
No kidding! I see it all the time. 10 people will get together for an hour to talk about Johnny and what to do to help him. So that is 10 man hours. Now if each of those people had spent a hour working one on one with Johnny, it would make much more of an impact then filling out paper work.

It is like taking your car to the garage and all the mechanics discussing what is wrong with the car and them not having enough time to actually fix it. We have way too many people at schools and downtown that have no contact with students and whatever they do the results are never realized.

Just saying.....
Mayor

Kansas City, MO

#17 Oct 9, 2008
Just go spend the night on some of the preservation property the Volusia County Council has spent over 60 million dollars on in the past few years. Oh thats right, you cant get to it or find it!! Wouldnt it be smarter to feed and house our Citizens before giving all of that much money to developers? Just a thought!!

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