Buford Pusser

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mikeelam

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Dec 17, 2010
 

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BLH wrote:
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Well Mike you see that is a problem I cant get on crimemyths. The reason you kicked me off was cause I didn't agree with you.You called me a trouble maker when I wouldn't agree with everyone on crimemyths.
Well BHL, Crimemyths is six years old today and during that time I have removed only four people from the forum, all for good reasons .., foul lanuage threats etc. I don't recall you being one of them. What name were you posting under there? I may have moderated you. In the same six years I have moderated approximately 20 members. I do that on occassion when people are there only to stir up trouble..., never because they disagree with me. I enjoy a good honest bebate..., I detest trouble making.
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#588
Dec 17, 2010
 
There's a lot of possible players here. I think most were into there own thing, whether legal or illegal. This is a big picture when a person considers the states guys/gals were operating in. Makes Pusser look like a small fish in a real big lake. Fact remains, Pusser stepped on some toes, whether legal or not, who knows. If the ambush had not happened, Pusser would've probably just been another county sheriff. I believe when he killed Louise, that event, set off the fireworks. Pauline's death only added to it and brought in the big boys, TBI, FBI and other agencies. One key to this, again, my opinion, is did Pusser have a girlfriend at the time of Pauline's death? I had a description years ago but failed to get a name.
Albert

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#589
Dec 17, 2010
 
What evidence pointed to Buford killing his wife?
mikeelam

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Dec 17, 2010
 
ca96ms wrote:
There's a lot of possible players here. I think most were into there own thing, whether legal or illegal. This is a big picture when a person considers the states guys/gals were operating in. Makes Pusser look like a small fish in a real big lake. Fact remains, Pusser stepped on some toes, whether legal or not, who knows. If the ambush had not happened, Pusser would've probably just been another county sheriff. I believe when he killed Louise, that event, set off the fireworks. Pauline's death only added to it and brought in the big boys, TBI, FBI and other agencies. One key to this, again, my opinion, is did Pusser have a girlfriend at the time of Pauline's death? I had a description years ago but failed to get a name.
I have the name but I won't release it as she is still alive. I spoke with her this approximately four months ago.

What many people don't know is that Buford was that Buford met her at the state maintenance lot near East view just hours before the alleged ambush. She left and he came back and met with the two men in a Chevy Biscayne and traded guns. The Chevy had Oklahoma plates. the person that witnessed this could not make positive ID on the two men as one never got out of the car and the light was too dim for him to get a good look at the other. Buford then went on to Selmer. H went to the home of the young lady he had met previously at Eastview. she has said that Buford was "high" on something and attempted to force her to go with him. She resisted and managed to get away. Buford also went to the 66 station and made a call and left for Adamsville in a big hurry. Another lady has suggested that he arrived there while Pauline was there getting some of her belongings. Approximately two hours later the alleged ambush took place.

Yes, had it not been for Pauline's death Buford would have been just another unknown sheriff. As far as the "big boys showing up. the TBI came in. The FBI only offered lab services. Rex Armisted and Charlie Goforth joined in on the investigation for a short time.

I never had the opportunity to speak with Goforth but I am told by some of the real players that he was of the opinion that Pusser murdered Pauline. I don't know Armisted position on her death.

As far as the death of Louise Hathcock, there are absolutely no doubts that Pusser killed her. The real question is did he murder her? I suggest he did based on his own statements and comparing those to the autopsy reports and the trajectory of the shot that Louise allegedly fired. There is a distinct difference between killing someone and murdering them.
nwal

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#591
Dec 17, 2010
 
I guess my answer to my own guestion is there was no kingpin, just birds of a feather that had like connections and mindsets.
mikeelam

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Dec 17, 2010
 
Albert wrote:
What evidence pointed to Buford killing his wife?
1) The Pussers were having marital problems according to Lavon Plunk (Pauline's best fiend and wife of Deputy Peatie Plunk in personal interview). TBI Investigator Jones was also aware of the separation according to State Medical Examiner Dr Jerry Francisco (personal interview). Even Pauline's daughter Diane Vance stated that the day before the alleged ambush, Pauline had called Diane in Memphis where she was staying with Buford's sister. Pauline wanted her to come home as she and Buford were having problems (Personal interview with Cammy Wilson who wrote a magazine article "Walking Short...available for view on crimemyths). In this same inter written by Wilson, Vance talked about what she found at home making her believe that Buford was involved in corruption.

2) Some of these people have suggested that Pauline planned to take the children, leave Buford and report his corruption to the TBI and FBI. This would mean that Buford might lose his only biological child and possibly go to prison for his corruption.

3) The Pussers were "planning a vacation" for the very day of the alleged ambush. They were going to visit Pauline's parents in Haysi Virginia. This would have bee a safe haven for Pauline when she decided to leave Buford. Why go on a vacation together when you are separated?

4) Why take Pauline on a disturbance call at 4:30 am and leave the children home alone if you believe your families lives are always at risk? Why put her life at risk by taking her on a dangerous call? Why take her with you if you are separated?

5) We can find no record of the phone call allegedly made to the Pusser residence to report the disturbance. A call coming from the state line area where the disturbance was supposed to be would have been long distance, automatically generating a record.

6) The suggestion was that a Cadillac followed Pusser from the church on New Hope Road to the first ambush site and opened fire seems doubtful. A recent time and motion study shows that had Buford been driving in his usual fashion, the Cadillac could not have caught up with Buford at the first ambush site.

7) Buford claimed that 2.1 miles from the first ambush site that he stopped to check on Pauline. He stated that he opened his door "and they were on us again". The ambush party according to Buford Pulled along side his parked car and opened fire. Bullets entered only the two driver's side windows Letter Dy TBI Deputy Director Steve Watkins). This of course indicates that the alleged Cadillac was either stopped or moving very, very slowly as an additional 12 shots were fired.

8) All of the shell casings were recovered on the shoulder on the opposite side of the road from Pusser's car in a area no more than 36 inches across(news articles plus personal interview with person who discovered the shell casings). Pusser described the weapon used as an M1 Carbine which he said was fired by a person sitting in the front passenger's seat (TBI Jones letter to OSBI agent Jack Hill). As such, the shell casings should have ejected either in the Cadillac or in the middle of the road, not on the opposite shoulder from Buford's car.

9) Photos (available for view on Crimemyths) show that the actual ambush sites indicating that as shots were fired the shooter would have been no more than 5 feet away from Buford. He hit Buford only once.(My grandmother was a better shot than the alleged assassin). Why go to all of this trouble and drive off leaving Pusser alive?

10) There was blood spatter all over the outside of Pusser's Fury. The front end, hood, outside windshield and roof especially.(photos available on Crimemyths). How did this happen if the Pussers were shot on the inside of the vehicle as Buford stated?

Those are just a few of the reasons I don't buy into Pusser's story. There are a lot of others.
nwal

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#593
Dec 17, 2010
 
Does anyone on this thread think anyone can do anything illegally to much extent for a significant length of time without help from downtown?

I remember bootleggers getting busted now and then and barely miss a beat for their whole lives.

I guess I tend to get a little off subject, sorry 'bout that.
McNairy

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#594
Dec 17, 2010
 
nwal wrote:
Does anyone on this thread think anyone can do anything illegally to much extent for a significant length of time without help from downtown?
I remember bootleggers getting busted now and then and barely miss a beat for their whole lives.
I guess I tend to get a little off subject, sorry 'bout that.
You are correct,,,,,neved did i see any ever buy a ad in the local papers.The business bloomed by word of mouth. otherwords,,,,everyone knew they were doing it.
nwal

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#595
Dec 17, 2010
 
Funny you should say that. A bootlegger I used to go to got raided and said it was just good advertisement for him. Actually, I am not sure if he was raided or if it was when he had to cut a fella for getting out of line and trying to take over the place.

It had gotten out he someone had been killed there, so there was a lot of talk about his place. He told me, " naw, I should have killed the sob. I just cut his damned throat." Evidently he had cut him on the neck. I had been around the guy that got cut a couple of times and I could see how this might happen.

The bootlegger I am talking about makes me think of Towhead from what Little I can find out about Towhead. I think they may very have known each other. May even have done a thing or two together.

One tale is that after he had robbed a bank, he was stopped by a trooper. He left the trooper cuffed to his car.

I would say he is about 70 now.
nwal

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#596
Dec 17, 2010
 
I was reading an old Times Daily that quoted BP as saying the county never paid a cent on his medical bills. Can this be true?
I also read somewhere that his wife was his deputy. First time I ever hear or saw that.

More and more, it seems someone threw some stuff in a bag and shook it up. Whatever came out made a story.

It was not the Times that stated she was a deputy.
nwal

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Dec 17, 2010
 
Sorry, it was in the Times Daily where I read she was a deputy.

http://news.google.com/newspapers...
McNairy

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Dec 17, 2010
 
nwal wrote:
I was reading an old Times Daily that quoted BP as saying the county never paid a cent on his medical bills. Can this be true?
I also read somewhere that his wife was his deputy. First time I ever hear or saw that.
More and more, it seems someone threw some stuff in a bag and shook it up. Whatever came out made a story.
It was not the Times that stated she was a deputy.
Md bills i dont know,,,i am sure BP was covered under some county insurance plan..maybe it did not cover cosmo,etz????

I never knew of Pauline being a deputy,,,but was possible that she was made a deputy by BP,,for jail duty,or something connected..like i say i never knew of Pauline being on duty as like a deputy sheriff.
nwal

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#599
Dec 17, 2010
 
Just more very strange tidbits concerning this person.

And th ebear he wrestled? I read it was like a 165 cub. I wrestled one at the state fair. I was the one that was about 165 lbs. That damned thing was (I think they said) about 800 lbs. That was a dumb move on my part, but I was only like 17.
McNairy

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Dec 17, 2010
 
nwal wrote:
Just more very strange tidbits concerning this person.
And th ebear he wrestled? I read it was like a 165 cub. I wrestled one at the state fair. I was the one that was about 165 lbs. That damned thing was (I think they said) about 800 lbs. That was a dumb move on my part, but I was only like 17.
Loco Joe of corinth ms had a bear in a cage,,,couple of us guys got up the nerve to wrestle it,,,but lost our nerves.. it was pretty much a pet bear....but ayway he stared us down.
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Dec 17, 2010
 
TIME FRAME: I've often wondered what the time frame was between the planning of the ambush and the actual incident. I figured it was somewhere between the time of Louise's death in 66' and just before August of 67'. I'd like to think that if someone was watching Pusser during this time, it was probably a local or locals, that he had crossed paths with at sometime. Some folks. long ago also mentioned they had heard there was a bounty on Pussers head after the ambush. Sounds like the sheriff could've possibly been in over his head, so to speak. Could he and Pauline been trying to work things out, as the reason she was in the car on the 12th? Guess only they knew.
Albert

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Dec 18, 2010
 
mikeelam wrote:
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I have the name but I won't release it as she is still alive. I spoke with her this approximately four months ago.
Is it better to wait untill the people are dead so they can't claim they told you no such thing?
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Dec 18, 2010
 
road runner wrote:
Pusser had a room at the Shamrock reversed for him, the last one. Park car around back. More beer joints open during Pusser's time as sheriff than any other. He was sheriff to enforce the law, he was sheriff to make money.
Was McNairy a dry county prior to Pusser taking office? It seems I read somewhere it went wet in 1965.
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mikeelam wrote:
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1) The Pussers were having marital problems

2) Some of these people have suggested that Pauline planned to take the children, leave Buford and report his corruption to the TBI and FBI.

3) The Pussers were "planning a vacation"

4) Why put her life at risk by taking her on a dangerous call?

5) We can find no record of the phone call

6) The suggestion was that a Cadillac followed Pusser from the church on New Hope Road

7)This of course indicates that the alleged Cadillac was either stopped or moving very, very slowly as an additional 12 shots were fired.

8)(news articles plus personal interview with person who discovered the shell casings).

9) Why go to all of this trouble and drive off leaving Pusser alive?

10) There was blood spatter all over the outside of Pusser's Fury.
1) IF (big if) they were having marital problems and the TBI knew it, they would of put Buford under more scrutiny and still not enough evidence to indict.

2)Are the people that suggest this still alive?

3)Why go on vacation or a police call if you're seperated, maybe they wern't seperated, that's a possible reason.

4)Why do you think it was a dangerous call?

5)The call could of been made to his home from anywhere, even locally. Bufords dad said he recieved a call earlier wanting Buford sent to the same area. I've seen no documents stating they were seperated other than your claims.

6)That's what the TBI suggested, are they not familar with distance time studies such as yourself.

7)An M1 with automatic capabilities can fire 650 to 700 rpm, it could of fired 12 rounds in about a second, they would not of had to be moving very, very slow.

8)Do you have a link to the news article? Who found the shellcasings?

9) Buford chin was blown off, maybe they didn't think he was being left alive.

10)Do you have any document stating that it's blood on the hood and how it may have gotten there. Do you have a link to these photos on crimemyths, I've seen none of the front end or roof. Thes are the only pics I see on crimemyths, no frontend or roof present.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crimemyths/phot...
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Dec 18, 2010
 
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Was McNairy a dry county prior to Pusser taking office? It seems I read somewhere it went wet in 1965.
I believe it was after 1965,,,,the first beer permit was to P. Johnson,,,Bethel Springs tn. than the joints sprang from there. He may applied in 65 than the court battle began. lets say sometime before 1970.
Albert

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Dec 18, 2010
 
McNairy wrote:
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I believe it was after 1965,,,,the first beer permit was to P. Johnson,,,Bethel Springs tn. than the joints sprang from there. He may applied in 65 than the court battle began. lets say sometime before 1970.
That's what I was thinking, no legal beer joint prior to 1965.
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More beer joints open during Pusser's time as sheriff than any other.
Wouldn't that make sense, since it was illegal prior to him taking office?

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