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goodandbad

Barnesville, OH

#2 Jun 25, 2008
Opinions vary depending on what side of the situation you were on.He busted some people and some he did'nt.In my own family I have heard good
and bad things and I believe them all.
mikeelam

Rogers, AR

#3 Jun 30, 2008
goodandbad wrote:
Opinions vary depending on what side of the situation you were on.He busted some people and some he did'nt.In my own family I have heard good
and bad things and I believe them all.
Thats the problem. I have heard both good and bad as well. I have been told by several sources that he was on the take and many people suggest that many of the wounds he claimed he received may have been self inflicted. I'm just looking for the truth as I know the movies are not accurate.
Veteran Cop

Cambridge, MA

#4 May 13, 2009
Sheriff Pusser was the 'real deal'. Understand, this is nothing new, for the criminal element he went up against and beat have been trying to discredit him for years.
The negativism was also came from two other sources. One were the bleeding heart liberals, the pacifistic far left wing who hated the conservative republican sheriff just due to his party affiliation, his politics, just like they hate the military and today's police. The others that joined in were those who when they could no longer 'make a buck' off the Sheriff due to legalities from the Pusser family after the Sheriff was killed, turned on the Pussers the only way they could, by going after his legacy, attempting to discredit him and try to write negative books, etc. and make money off of that.
In 1984 W.R. Morris was interviewd by a Tennessee newspaper and you would think Sheriff Pusser walked on water. In 1991 in another Tenn. newspaper interview he bad mouths him although he did say he got the job done. If you read both articles you would swear they were written by two different people.
Oh, the the 'big stick' scene in the movie, that was inspired by a real life event before he carried a gun (no gun for a year and a half) when the Sheriff took a FENCE POST to six thugs at a gin mill.
By the way, his injuries are legit and all on record, I find it laughable and pathetic that some people are that desperate to discredit him to make that stuff up. In 1973 Sheriff Pusser was written into the "Congretional Record" in Washington with the likes of such icons as General Dwight D. Eisenhower. It has also been said he had the man killed who orchestrated the ambush that killed his wife and shot his jaw of but it has never been proven. Well, to be honest, I don't know what I would do if something like that happened to me but I know what I think I would like to do....
The 60's era in West Tennessee was heavily investigated by state and federal agents for corruption in law enforcement and Sheriff James Dickey (1962-64) was about to be indicted for corruption before he died in a car accident. Take it from someone who has been in law enforcement for over 32 years, Buford Pusser was as solid as they come for his era BUT understand, there was a different way of doing things back then. He sometimes had to fight these people by their own rules, otherwise, instead of 'walking tall' they would have walked all over him and flouished like they did under Sheriff Clifford Coleman from 1956 to 1962 and Coleman's top deputy who then became Sheriff preceeding Pusser (1962-64). James Dickey was one of Louise Hathcock's lovers and Coleman is also one of Buford Pusser's detractors, go figure....
Mikeelam

Rogers, AR

#5 May 24, 2009
If Buford was the "real deal" as you say, how do you explain all of the reports from people who claim they had to pay the legendary sheriff to operate their stills, joints and bootleg oprations? I have talked to many of these people personally and they describe Pusser quite differently than you do. Did you know Pusser personally? I'm just trying to qualify your expertise on the subject. Law Enforcement Officers and locals alike make the same claims about the former sheriff. How do you explain that?

I understand, better than most, that times were different back then for everyone..., not just for Sheriff Pusser. In difficult times people did some desparate things in order to take care of their families, so you tell me, if these claims are true was it proper for the legendary sheriff to take advantage of such situations rather than just do the job he was elected to do?

Please understand, I'm not trying to justify any wrongs that were done by anyone concerned.., I'm just trying to learn the true history of things in McNairy County and at the state line. Don't you think it is time for the truth to be told?

The movie "WALKING TALL" was a farce as it took a few real life events and painted a picture of Buford Pusser that was larger than life itself. I have not yet found the "state line mob" that W.R. Morris wrote about. No doubt there were some tough and dangerous people at the state line like Carl Douglas "Towhead" White and others but lets be real for a minute. What I have found are a number of people who were working independently of each other for the most part. I haven't found the "organized crime" that the movie showed, but ratherly a very loosely knit group of people that were involved in some illegal activities.

Those of us who have researched the story in depth have a lot of questions regarding the legendry sheriff and many of the events in his life. The stories that we heard in the movie from Bing Crosby Productions and the books written by W.R. Morris just don't seem to add up with information that we are now finding. Information gathered through statements from folks who were there and lived the story along with Buford, not to mention photos of the August 12, 1967 ambush and other forensic evidence. How do you explain the differences?

Again, I'm just interested in the true history of the area rather than the "dramatized and inspired" movie version.
Ummm escuse me

Olive Branch, MS

#6 May 27, 2009
He had is good points and bad points. He did wrestle a bear once....was a trained, tame bear. He did shoot a woman and dismantle a few non-revenue paying alcohol manufacturers. However, the only ones that got caught were the one's that po'ed the administration.

I was a youngster back then, but many are still around who knew him.
Mikeelam

Rogers, AR

#7 May 27, 2009
I have talked to several people that operated joints, moon shined or bootlegged that have said they had to pay Pusser to operate outside the law. Some in law enforcement have said they suspected as much.

As for as the woman you mentioned, Louise Hathcock was shot three times with two of the shots entering the back and the third shot entered under her jaw and angled upward according to the autopsy report. Many think he murdered her.

I enjoy hearing the stories from people who were there and lived the story along with Buford. You hear some about Buford that are good and you hear a number that make the former sheriff sound like less than an honorable man.

The movie "Walking Tall" is not the true story of Buford Pusser in my opinion. Photos of the Plymouth Fury he was driving the day of the ambush do not, in my opinion, support Pusser's version of what happened that morning. Pusser claimed he did not exit the vehicle during or after the ambush yet the photos show blood on the hood and top of the car as well as on the outside of the windshield. Many people suggest that Buford my have killed Pauline and the photos I have, as I said, do not seem to support his statements about how the ambush went down.

I'm just interested in learning more about what the "true story" really is.



Ummm escuse me wrote:
He had is good points and bad points. He did wrestle a bear once....was a trained, tame bear. He did shoot a woman and dismantle a few non-revenue paying alcohol manufacturers. However, the only ones that got caught were the one's that po'ed the administration.
I was a youngster back then, but many are still around who knew him.
road runner

Leipsic, OH

#8 Jun 16, 2009
What was the connection between Pusser and Will T. Abernathy. Dr. Peeler and Pusser were good friends.
road runner

Leipsic, OH

#9 Jun 16, 2009
Pusser had a room at the Shamrock reversed for him, the last one. Park car around back. More beer joints open during Pusser's time as sheriff than any other. He was sheriff to enforce the law, he was sheriff to make money.

“Do the MONKEY with me!”

Since: Jul 09

Love City U.S.A.

#10 Jul 11, 2009
You just need to write that term paper about me. I'm prettier than Buford, and I'm still able to answer your questions.

Are you a babe?
Veteran Cop

Cambridge, MA

#11 Jul 16, 2009
It's funny but with all the investigations of corruption that went on during that era Sheriff Pusser was never indicted, yet James Dickey was about to be taken down before he died. You mean to tell me there was nobody, I mean nobody in law enforcement that was capable of bringing down Sheriff Pusser if he was on the take? I mean, were they all that incompetant or were they all just on the take too? Then again they couldn't be all on the take since they were on the eve of indicting Sheriff Dickey. It's very 'funny' that James Dickey was Clifford Coleman's right hand man, isn't it? It's pretty hard to believe that no one on either side of the law could not come up with anything then or now. I mean 'real proof'(not just b.s., heresay or just plain badmouthing)to take Sheriff Pusser down.
What is really laughable is highly trained outside law enforcement people worked on the Pusser ambush and came to the conclustion it was legit and the Sheriff had nothing to do with it. Yet, you and your people conduct some micky mouse investigation decades after the incident and arrive with your conspiracy theories and 'alleged proof' It's sounds like the JFK/ Oliver Stone movie all over again.
What the hell is wrong with bars/lounges or as you say,'beer joints', opening up during the term of any sheriff? Sheriff Pusser wasn't against bars/lounges opening up, like many in law enforcement, he enjoyed a little stress relief or a quote from Walking Tall, "A little drink, a little fun"....he was against going out for a little fun and finding yourself beaten and robbed or in some cases, finding yourself at the pearly gates. By the way, there is a Dixie Mafia, and yes, not organized as the Mafia we have come to know through real life headlines and movies and television. Major difference is they didn't need to seek approval to make a hit, you cross the line with one of these thug leaders and they can take you out with no approval from any 'family' or higher ups.(continued)
As in the story of Buford Pusser, even today, people either love cops or hate cops and some may be indifferent but one thing is for sure, the people that hate cops will concoct all kinds of stories just because they can. This is not pertaining to you sir, I mean any so-called 'witnesses' or people that lived in Mc Nairy during that era. You seem to have an obsession with this Buford Pusser thing that goes far beyond any search for the truth. Yes, I'm defending him but this isn't my entire life. I don't go on all the sites, as matter of fact, I have never even posted anything until now. I don't toss and turn all night about it either, I sleep well, lol. Chill out a little.
As for the movie, if you know anyone in the film industry ask them about 'time compression'. Ask them how they get across their point about a certain time period in a person's life, let's say a decade or so, in 120 minutes. How they have to use dramatization and continuity. How do they get to leave the audience with the right feeling about what the subject accomplished, what sacrifies, what feelings, fears, tragedies...what they are attempting to say. The gist of this man's career and life all rolled up into 120 minutes of celluloid.
No law enforcement officer can do a job and accomplish what Sheriff Pusser did and be 100 per cent pure for evil would overwhelm him, beat him and destroy him. A good LEO needs balance, the ying & yang, not only an LEO but any leader in life. If our President fights Al Quada with a 100 per cent pure of heart, we, as a nation and a people, will become extinct. Take care & be safe.

“Do the MONKEY with me!”

Since: Jul 09

Love City U.S.A.

#12 Jul 17, 2009
Veteran Cop wrote:
It's funny but with all the investigations of corruption that went on during that era Sheriff Pusser was never indicted, yet James Dickey was about to be taken down before he died. You mean to tell me there was nobody, I mean nobody in law enforcement that was capable of bringing down Sheriff Pusser if he was on the take? I mean, were they all that incompetant or were they all just on the take too? Then again they couldn't be all on the take since they were on the eve of indicting Sheriff Dickey. It's very 'funny' that James Dickey was Clifford Coleman's right hand man, isn't it? It's pretty hard to believe that no one on either side of the law could not come up with anything then or now. I mean 'real proof'(not just b.s., heresay or just plain badmouthing)to take Sheriff Pusser down.
What is really laughable is highly trained outside law enforcement people worked on the Pusser ambush and came to the conclustion it was legit and the Sheriff had nothing to do with it. Yet, you and your people conduct some micky mouse investigation decades after the incident and arrive with your conspiracy theories and 'alleged proof' It's sounds like the JFK/ Oliver Stone movie all over again.
What the hell is wrong with bars/lounges or as you say,'beer joints', opening up during the term of any sheriff? Sheriff Pusser wasn't against bars/lounges opening up, like many in law enforcement, he enjoyed a little stress relief or a quote from Walking Tall, "A little drink, a little fun"....he was against going out for a little fun and finding yourself beaten and robbed or in some cases, finding yourself at the pearly gates. By the way, there is a Dixie Mafia, and yes, not organized as the Mafia we have come to know through real life headlines and movies and television. Major difference is they didn't need to seek approval to make a hit, you cross the line with one of these thug leaders and they can take you out with no approval from any 'family' or higher ups.(continued)
As in the story of Buford Pusser, even today, people either love cops or hate cops and some may be indifferent but one thing is for sure, the people that hate cops will concoct all kinds of stories just because they can. This is not pertaining to you sir, I mean any so-called 'witnesses' or people that lived in Mc Nairy during that era. You seem to have an obsession with this Buford Pusser thing that goes far beyond any search for the truth. Yes, I'm defending him but this isn't my entire life. I don't go on all the sites, as matter of fact, I have never even posted anything until now. I don't toss and turn all night about it either, I sleep well, lol. Chill out a little.
As for the movie, if you know anyone in the film industry ask them about 'time compression'. Ask them how they get across their point about a certain time period in a person's life, let's say a decade or so, in 120 minutes. How they have to use dramatization and continuity. How do they get to leave the audience with the right feeling about what the subject accomplished, what sacrifies, what feelings, fears, tragedies...what they are attempting to say. The gist of this man's career and life all rolled up into 120 minutes of celluloid.
No law enforcement officer can do a job and accomplish what Sheriff Pusser did and be 100 per cent pure for evil would overwhelm him, beat him and destroy him. A good LEO needs balance, the ying & yang, not only an LEO but any leader in life. If our President fights Al Quada with a 100 per cent pure of heart, we, as a nation and a people, will become extinct. Take care & be safe.
I was told if I read all that, there would be cake and dancin' girls. I'm ready! Hoohah!
road runner

Leipsic, OH

#13 Aug 5, 2009
The first 8 days the TBI was looking hard a Pusser as the shooter in the ambush. The county corner requested an autopsy, but Peeler and Abernathy denied that request. Back in those days the M.E. and or the DA could only request autopsies. The investigation feel apart after the 8th day. This information is coming from those that were part of the investigation. I'm am not trying to solve anything about Pusser, its a hobby/project and that is it. It holds my interest.
walking tall

United States

#14 Aug 9, 2009
Pusser the hero!

Since: Jul 09

Rogers, AR

#15 Aug 9, 2009
road runner wrote:
The first 8 days the TBI was looking hard a Pusser as the shooter in the ambush. The county corner requested an autopsy, but Peeler and Abernathy denied that request. Back in those days the M.E. and or the DA could only request autopsies. The investigation feel apart after the 8th day. This information is coming from those that were part of the investigation. I'm am not trying to solve anything about Pusser, its a hobby/project and that is it. It holds my interest.
Roadrunner, there are just so many parts of that investigation that were flawed. I was in McNairy County back in June and two simple reenactments convinced me that no ambush took place. First, I was driving a vehicle at a constant speed as I passed the Methodist Church on New Hope Road. A Cadillac parked behind the church gave immediate chase as I passed the church, but try as hard as they might, they could not catch up to me by the time I reached the first ambush site. We were closer to the second ambush site before the Cadillac was close enough to have opened fire. My speed was a constant 50 mph and we did this in broad daylight. The ambush vehicle that Pusser claimed attacked him had to do this in the dark, with no head lights while negotiating some curves at high speed.

The second reenactment was of the shooting at the second ambush site. The TBI reported that all of the shell casings they recovered were on the shoulder of the road opposite to where Pusser had stopped. Pusser indicated, by all accounts that I am aware of, that the Cadillac pulled up beside him and opened fire again. If the ambush party was using an M1 as all reports suggest, the shell casings would have ejected inside the car, not on the shoulder of the road. Had the shooter been leaning outside the car the shell casings would have ejected to the middle of the roadway, not to the opposite shoulder.

I was shown exactly where the shell casings were found, and I can think of no way that they could have ended up there on the shoulder of the road if being fired by someone inside the Cadillac. Buford, to my knowledge, never mentioned that anyone ever exited the Cadillac at any time. Even then, those casings would have been scattered across a much larger area than I was shown had someone stepped from the vehicle to discharge their weapon.

No one seems to take into account that the Pussers were having marital problems at the time of the alleged ambush or that they were said to be separated at the time, something TBI Investigator Warren Jones was aware of.

Was there really am ambush by four men in a Cadillac? Where is the proof of it?

Just my thoughts and opinions,

Mike
Jason Allen

Sikeston, MO

#16 Aug 15, 2009
I myself have always been interested in sheriff Buford Pusser. I like everyone else have read the books and seen the movies. My grandpa Jim Onley was a friend and a cop of Buford when the ambush happened. He told me several times that something was fishy about what happened. He heard the call from Buford on the police radio when it happened and responded. He always believed something happened other than what Buford said. I dont think anyway Buford had anything to do with his wifes murder at all. My grandpa didnt either. We think it was a bad deal gone wrong.

Since: Jul 09

Rogers, AR

#17 Aug 22, 2009
Jason Allen wrote:
I myself have always been interested in sheriff Buford Pusser. I like everyone else have read the books and seen the movies. My grandpa Jim Onley was a friend and a cop of Buford when the ambush happened. He told me several times that something was fishy about what happened. He heard the call from Buford on the police radio when it happened and responded. He always believed something happened other than what Buford said. I don't think anyway Buford had anything to do with his wifes murder at all. My grandpa didn't either. We think it was a bad deal gone wrong.
Jason, the photos taken of the ambush vehicle do not seem to bear out the claims Buford made about how the ambush occurred. Another thing, all of the shell casings were found in one small spot as if they had been placed there. It has also been said that the Pussers were separated at the time of the ambush, something I am told that the TBI was aware of. If the Pussers were indeed separated, why was Pauline with Buford so early that morning?

The story of Pusser being chased down from the church by a Cadillac with no headlights seems fishy as well as we have attempted to duplicate that chase. Pusser would have had to be driving at a snail's pace for the Cadillac to have caught up with him when he claimed it did. Pusser had a reputation for fast driving. I think Buford may have been confronted about this as he amended later versions of this story saying he was driving slow as he was looking for something. Your grandfather was right. The ambush was very fishy. Something isn't right with his story.
jason allen

Sikeston, MO

#18 Aug 28, 2009
you diffently seem like you have researched this very carefully. what else do you know of that buford did or may have done.
jason allen

Sikeston, MO

#19 Aug 28, 2009
but what do you think happened to his face. his chin was diffently blown off. if these so called guys were professional hitmen then you are right they wouldnt have left him alive they would have killed him and made sure of it. but i dont see him shooting his own face. i personally think it was a deal gone bad.

Since: Jul 09

Rogers, AR

#20 Aug 28, 2009
jason allen wrote:
but what do you think happened to his face. his chin was differently blown off. if these so called guys were professional hit men then you are right they wouldn't have left him alive they would have killed him and made sure of it. but i dint see him shooting his own face. i personally think it was a deal gone bad.
What do you mean by "a deal gone bad". Who was out to get Pusser in August of 1967? Louise Hathcock was dead, Towhead White was in prison. So who wanted Buford enough to pull a lame ambush from moving vehicles on a country road? Why two ambush sites, why were all the shell casings found in one spot? Why was there blood on the hood if the Pusser's never exited the vehicle? There were so many ways it could have been more easily accomplished. Something was going on, but I don't think it was a true ambush. I have been told that Buford and Pauline were having marital problems and were separated at the time of the ambush. I have been told that TBI investigator Warren Jones was aware of their separation and had his suspicions.

Since: Jul 09

Rogers, AR

#22 Aug 31, 2009
jason allen wrote:
no one would shoot their selves in the face like pussers was on purpose. truely i dont think the truth will ever be known of that day. the bad thing of that day is that a daughter and a son lost their mother. rip pauline.
i have been told on several occasions that pauline shot buford and he shot her back. but where would the shells come from on the road? there are alot of questions and unfortunately there are only 2 people pauline and buford that can truely answer them and they are no longer here. what do you think happened to buford. accident or was he murdered? i was told he was living in fear of being murdered up in till his death. dwana believes he was and so does bufords mother god bless her soul. they came up with alot of evidence to prove he was murdered. they say buford moved his bedroom downstairs of his home in case someone shot his house up or broke in to get him he could get to his car and get away fast. what is your opinion on this?
First I have been told that Buford and Pauline were separated at the time of the ambush and that TBI Investigator Warren Jones was concerned about this. One thing you have to remember is that men can do desperate things in desperate times. It is for that reason that we can not rule out that Buford may have shot himself in order to take the investigation another direction.

Actually two daughters and a son lost their mother that day...Diane, Dwana and Mike. As far as the ambush, Buford's story about how the ambush occurred left to many unanswered questions. It is the location of the shell casings on the road that is one of those unanswered questions. They were on the shoulder of the road opposite of where Buford had stopped. The shooter would have to be standing outside the alleged Cadillac near the shoulder itself for the casings to be ejected on the shoulder where they were found. Had the shooter fired from inside the car the casings would most likely have been ejected inside the car or possibly to the middle of the road, but not to the shoulder. I believe the cause of Buford's was excessive alcohol and speed. I do not believe there were any serious attempts on his life. When you examine the totality of the evidence there is not as much to support stories of attempts as you would think.

Just my thoughts and opinions,

Mike

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