Justice For David Camm

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WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR: THE ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE JUSTICE FOR KIM, BRAD & JILL FREEDOM FOR DAVID CAMM THE TRUTH...THE SIMPLE TRUTH On September 28, 2000, Kimberly, Bradley, and Jill Camm were shot to death in the Camm family garage, located in Georgetown, Indiana, just a few miles from Louisville, Kentucky. The Indiana State Police (ISP) responded to the scene, as did the local prosecutor, Stanley Faith, who called for the assistance of a blood stain and crime scene re-constructionist. Three days after the crimes occurred, the husband of Kim and the father of Jill and Brad, David Camm, was arrested. In early 2002 David Camm was convicted of their murders and sentenced to 195 years in the Indiana Department of Corrections. Case solved. Case closed. In August, 2004, the Indiana Court of Appeals overturned Camm's conviction. Camm got a new trial. In November, 2004, Prosecutor Keith Henderson recharged Camm after having a "Fresh Eyes" team re-investigate the crime. Camm was re-charged. In March, 2005, another man, Charles Darnell Boney, was charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder. Camm was re-charged with Boney. In February, 2006, Boney was convicted and sentenced to 225 years in prison. Camm was convicted in March, 2006, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Case solved. Case closed. Those are the facts of this case. Well, at least a few facts. Most people in the metropolitan area of Louisville are convinced that David Camm is a molester and murderer. They are convinced that Charles Boney helped him in some shape, manner, or form. There are those who know many more facts that are thoroughly convinced of David Camm's innocence and continue to fight for him and his family. Full Story
camm supporter

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#7247 Feb 6, 2013
Mrs Beasley wrote:
I do know about a few of you guys and girls but for some I mean what wil the motive be this time around? Will it be he killed her for the life insurance policies. Will they go for the fake molestation claim? Maybe the I want to be free from my family and sleep around claim. Will they change the time of the murders around again to fit their theories?
7 dots is not spatter and 10 eye witnesses is a pretty good alibi. If any of Broney's multiple lies are allowed Camm win hands down.
Also going to need a bigger courtroom considering everybody on here will be attending like the last 2 times. Rumor has it that Tiger is bringing the entire trailer park and that's just his family members. Fill'er up!
yeah, the hoosierdome might do it; hey put it on tv and charge; that way they can get their money back; your welcome henderson, i charge 250 an hour for the advice

i would assume they are stuck with the life insurance motive as that is probably the best they can do; i mean the ultra ethical stan levco would not try to sneak in the child molestation bs would he?
camm supporter

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#7248 Feb 6, 2013
fly007 wrote:
<quoted text> Are they all prevented from discussing that Jill was molested, or abused, or is it just that the state can't say or imply that David did it.
that was the type of parsing that henderson was trying to do; they better not bring it up at all this time....if you bring it up, then that invites the jury to say who did it and they will point to camm which is basically what henderson did last time

it cant come up at all or camm will lose again

“Call me Walter”

Since: Nov 10

Dyersburg, TN

#7249 Feb 6, 2013
camm supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
that was the type of parsing that henderson was trying to do; they better not bring it up at all this time....if you bring it up, then that invites the jury to say who did it and they will point to camm which is basically what henderson did last time
it cant come up at all or camm will lose again
Building excuses already? lol

“Call me Walter”

Since: Nov 10

Dyersburg, TN

#7250 Feb 6, 2013
camm supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, the hoosierdome might do it; hey put it on tv and charge; that way they can get their money back; your welcome henderson, i charge 250 an hour for the advice
i would assume they are stuck with the life insurance motive as that is probably the best they can do; i mean the ultra ethical stan levco would not try to sneak in the child molestation bs would he?
What is the hoosierdome dummy? If they are showing Camm get the needle, count me in. I am going to ticketmaster now.
camm supporter

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#7251 Feb 6, 2013
"Camm had plenty of time when he "sat out a game". Testimony said the games could be 40 minutes and there were conflicting reports as to when Camm sat out, it could have been for two games."

That quote was taken from "BeeBee" on the other site

It shows how little you know what you are talking about beebs

college basketball games are 40 minutes; they take 2 hours cuz of the 15 minute halftime and 2 minute breaks they take every 4 minutes

these are 18-22 year old studs; the best conditioned people on the planet; and they dont play games for 40 minutes straight with no breaks for rest, water, etc

out of shape middle aged wannabees are going to play maybe 10-15 minutes and then need about a 5 minute break; some will need more; so there is no 40 minute game and no 40 minute window

come back with some better bs next time

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#7252 Feb 6, 2013
camm supporter wrote:
Following the players’ testimony Wednesday, Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson said,“Eyewitness testimony is not the most reliable testimony.
“We’ve seen that time and time again. They can recall general things ... but not specifics.”
i have reviewed the sleuthing for justice website or whatever it is called and pulled that gem out of there
how evil for a prosecutor to say such a thing....only in a sh.thole like kentuckiana could a prosecutor ever get away with saying something like that; can you imagine if camm were in jail and black and a prosecutor tried to say that in a high profile case?
what about the murders and other things in this world that rely on eyewitness testimony?????
are the defense lawyers in that county using that against henderson every time a case is heard there?
absolutely sickening; he may be a worse pos than faith
So the one thing that the players agree on is that they saw David keeping warm, tieing his shoe strings, running around the upper level, shooting the ball, sitting with Mr. Jolly, at different times throughout the game. So, in general, David was observed by different people at different times. The players differed in the specifics of what time each game was played, or what clothes someone had on, or the scores, or who arrived when. Generally, they almost all, remember he was there during the game he sat out. So Henderson, was correct about that. Owen concentrated on the negative saying they didn't notice David leaving, creating in the jury's mind that he COULD have left. Owen's negative tactic must have worked since it was mentioned after the trial.
Tiger

Burlington, KY

#7253 Feb 6, 2013
Mrs Beasley wrote:
I do know about a few of you guys and girls but for some I mean what wil the motive be this time around? Will it be he killed her for the life insurance policies. Will they go for the fake molestation claim? Maybe the I want to be free from my family and sleep around claim. Will they change the time of the murders around again to fit their theories?
7 dots is not spatter and 10 eye witnesses is a pretty good alibi. If any of Broney's multiple lies are allowed Camm win hands down.
Also going to need a bigger courtroom considering everybody on here will be attending like the last 2 times. Rumor has it that Tiger is bringing the entire trailer park and that's just his family members. Fill'er up!
At least I won't have to go down on Indiana Ave. by the railroad tracks to pick my family up. Know what I mean? RLMAO
camm supporter

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#7254 Feb 6, 2013
fly007 wrote:
<quoted text>So the one thing that the players agree on is that they saw David keeping warm, tieing his shoe strings, running around the upper level, shooting the ball, sitting with Mr. Jolly, at different times throughout the game. So, in general, David was observed by different people at different times. The players differed in the specifics of what time each game was played, or what clothes someone had on, or the scores, or who arrived when. Generally, they almost all, remember he was there during the game he sat out. So Henderson, was correct about that. Owen concentrated on the negative saying they didn't notice David leaving, creating in the jury's mind that he COULD have left. Owen's negative tactic must have worked since it was mentioned after the trial.
you're right; but once they branded him a child molester of his daughter they did not care about any alibi's and just believed everything owen or henderson told them

there were apparently some jurors at both trials that at first did not believe he did it; but are you really going to fight for someone in a jury room if you believe they molested their 5 year old little girl? that "evidence" takes the heart out of the defense

that's why it cant come in this time; and should have never come in
Just the Facts

United States

#7255 Feb 6, 2013
There isn’t anything anyone posting on this forum can “prove” or “disprove”. The point of posting on this discussion board is to discuss the murders and trials, not to prove guilt or innocence. There is very little physical evidence that points to Camm being guilty and none of it is conclusive. Camm can’t, and doesn’t have to prove that he never left the gym; the prosecution has to prove to a reasonable probability that he did. The prosecution’s only possible evidence that he left the gym is the blood stains and there is no possible way to know for certain if these stains are HVIS proving guilt , or from transfer proving only that he was at the scene at some point, which is a given. All of the other “evidence” is meaningless and proves nothing about his guilt or innocence. Any fair-minded person has to accept that there is reasonable doubt that Camm is in fact guilty.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#7256 Feb 6, 2013
Just the Facts wrote:
There isn’t anything anyone posting on this forum can “prove” or “disprove”. The point of posting on this discussion board is to discuss the murders and trials, not to prove guilt or innocence. There is very little physical evidence that points to Camm being guilty and none of it is conclusive. Camm can’t, and doesn’t have to prove that he never left the gym; the prosecution has to prove to a reasonable probability that he did. The prosecution’s only possible evidence that he left the gym is the blood stains and there is no possible way to know for certain if these stains are HVIS proving guilt , or from transfer proving only that he was at the scene at some point, which is a given. All of the other “evidence” is meaningless and proves nothing about his guilt or innocence. Any fair-minded person has to accept that there is reasonable doubt that Camm is in fact guilty.
You say that there is no certainty that the blood is hvis, yet the judge accepts these guys as blood experts. The jury is put in a position that they have to decide which experts they believe. Once Owen shows how unobservant the ballplayers are, and that David could have left, all the other "evidence" adds to the whole picture. It's kind of a circular issue, just like Henderson's statement that David was the only one who had access to Jill in the 24 hours before her death - so one can assume that David was the one who abused her.- If David could have left the gym, he may have left, and because he had blood on him, it could be hvis. Unfortunately, so far. two juries havn't been as logical and reasonable, and fair-minded as you are. Hopefully, the next one will see through all the smoke.
McLuvin

Harrisburg, PA

#7257 Feb 6, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
<quoted text>
Good morning muffintop. Would you do me a favor? The next time you talk to Camm, tell him Satan is waiting for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wbMWdIjArg0XX
So you're planning on going to the victory party also?
McLuvin

Harrisburg, PA

#7258 Feb 6, 2013
Just the Facts wrote:
There isn’t anything anyone posting on this forum can “prove” or “disprove”. The point of posting on this discussion board is to discuss the murders and trials, not to prove guilt or innocence. There is very little physical evidence that points to Camm being guilty and none of it is conclusive. Camm can’t, and doesn’t have to prove that he never left the gym; the prosecution has to prove to a reasonable probability that he did. The prosecution’s only possible evidence that he left the gym is the blood stains and there is no possible way to know for certain if these stains are HVIS proving guilt , or from transfer proving only that he was at the scene at some point, which is a given. All of the other “evidence” is meaningless and proves nothing about his guilt or innocence. Any fair-minded person has to accept that there is reasonable doubt that Camm is in fact guilty.
Make yourself the juror. 3 experts say spatter and 3 say transfer. Looking at Englerts demo and the fact that he produced hundereds of tiny blood dots and Camm only had 7 or 8 he basically proved the defense's point. I hate the reasonable doubt card but this case is full of it. Combined witht he fact that Broney was there and lied about it you would have to be very impartial to convict. The worst I see for Camm is a hung jury and the way Tigger breaks it down Camm should walk out a free man.
McLuvin

Harrisburg, PA

#7259 Feb 6, 2013
camm supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
you're right; but once they branded him a child molester of his daughter they did not care about any alibi's and just believed everything owen or henderson told them
there were apparently some jurors at both trials that at first did not believe he did it; but are you really going to fight for someone in a jury room if you believe they molested their 5 year old little girl? that "evidence" takes the heart out of the defense
that's why it cant come in this time; and should have never come in
If Camm's attorney's drive home the point of 7 dots compared to Englerts demonstration of hundreds he's home free.
McLuvin

Harrisburg, PA

#7260 Feb 6, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
<quoted text>
Good morning muffintop. Would you do me a favor? The next time you talk to Camm, tell him Satan is waiting for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wbMWdIjArg0XX
Wish me luck liver lips Im shooting billards tonight with 25 G's on the line. If I win in which I should Im going to donate 5 G's to higher education. Lord knows we don't want the next generation anything like this one. 9 ball corner pocket.
Tiger

Burlington, KY

#7261 Feb 6, 2013
McLuvin wrote:
<quoted text>
Wish me luck liver lips Im shooting billards tonight with 25 G's on the line. If I win in which I should Im going to donate 5 G's to higher education. Lord knows we don't want the next generation anything like this one. 9 ball corner pocket.
Maybe you should donate the other $20,000 to Harrisburg after all that city did file for bankruptcy.WADA
Mrs Beasley

Harrisburg, PA

#7262 Feb 6, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not understand why you keep saying that he has 10 eye witnesses. He does not have one. You seem to think that just because no one saw him leave that somehow substantiates his alibi. It doesn't. It just means no one saw him leave. Not one of the basketball players can say that he didn't.
And your point is?
Mrs Beasley

Harrisburg, PA

#7263 Feb 6, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not understand why you keep saying that he has 10 eye witnesses. He does not have one. You seem to think that just because no one saw him leave that somehow substantiates his alibi. It doesn't. It just means no one saw him leave. Not one of the basketball players can say that he didn't.
You can't have it both ways, this isn't burger king or Auggie's mom.

He didn't molest his daughter either but some how you keep trying to substaniate that.

Why is it with you it's a double standard. Except the fact that 10 eye witnesses say he didn't leave and they say they didn't see him come back. But you keep saying he molested his daughter and there is not a single shred of evidence to that or he would of been charged with that.
Answer this? If he did molest his daughter why wasn't he charged with that crime?
Why? Because it was made up by the prosecution.

Tell me tuff stuff if there was so much proof that jill was molested by David Camm Why were there no charges brought against him.
How can you say someone was molested without any evidence?

Your profile tells me you are a liberal asshole that believe's everything the police and government tell you.

Bill Clinton didn't inhale or f@ck Monica?, Obama wants to take guns away but sold guns to the Mexican cartel that in turn killed Americans. For Gods sake son get a grip. Wake the f@ck up!

Go with your head not your liberal heart. Stop bitching about Camm and start bitching about why Charles Broney was out on the streets after 11 fu@ken felonies. This scum sucking taser robbing low life ghetto thieving chicken eating women beating child beating duck tapeing shoe robbing watermelon licking no good drug dealing murdered is what you are representing.
yet it hurts you so bad that Camm screwed a few of the town whores.
News flash- We all f@cked a few of the town whores. I did, you did, judges do, presidents do. Even David(liberal) f@ck Letterman did.
Bring the facts or stay in boogerhole floyd county.
Im from Hershey Pa. never tried to hide it like you.
The sweetest place on Earth.
Camm

Warrenville, IL

#7264 Feb 6, 2013
McLuvin wrote:
<quoted text>
Wish me luck liver lips Im shooting billards tonight with 25 G's on the line. If I win in which I should Im going to donate 5 G's to higher education. Lord knows we don't want the next generation anything like this one. 9 ball corner pocket.
McLuvin your the idiot with no brain, you can't even spell billiards LOL what an idiot, or maybe that's a new game billards, LOL your to funny.
Camm

Warrenville, IL

#7265 Feb 6, 2013
Mrs Beasley, that's what I am saying it's all the liberal nuts out there, liberals are the ones that want all the convicts on the streets, liberals are the ones that give a free pass to for doing wrong, it is not hard to see that all the bleeding heart liberals are saying poor David Camm, well I am not a liberal, I say fry is lying, cheating, pervert looking a$$. Now be honest in every picture they have shown of him being escorted around you have to admit he looks like a perverted person whether he did abuse or not he still looks like he belongs in a rubber room, once they find him guilty again and he goes back to prison and dies there, if he was innocent then I will truly be sorry that he was sent there, but if he did it he got what he deserved, and really only he knows for 100% fact if he killed, molested, beat or is a piece of crap, its going to boil down to perception of the evidence, whether or not the jury is going to really dive into what the experts are saying, or are they going to base a lot of it on what people have to say about Camm and how he behaved and acted before and after the killings, people have been convicted on a lot less evidence, and there is a lot of evidence to pick and choose from, most people no matter how are they try pick and choose what they want to hear, so its a matter of what the jurors choose to hear, more than anything. I don't disrespect your ideas, mine just differ from yours.
Camm

Warrenville, IL

#7266 Feb 6, 2013
I didn't proof read, no matter how hard they try pick and choose what they want to hear.

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