Division in American like never before

[Nina]

Small business creators: didn't do it themselves
what about sleepless nights, acquiring money
to keep the businesses going and keeping their
people working. It is all on their shoulders.

Why does there seem to be distain for people who
made the right choices in life, worked hard?

Why is dependence on the government "the good
child?"
It is good for people through hardwork to be able
to help their children, other relatives and
charities.

[WCH]

Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.

[nina]

It is sad to think we were once "united."

[PurpleZeuss]

I'm tired of people treating small businepeople like white nights of the economy; they built their businesses for ONE reason: to MAKE MONEY. They didn't set out to make American better one bagel at a time, or to provide meaningful employment to others, so let's stop making them out to be heroes.

My father was a small businessman, and yes, he worked hard, but he was working for himself, not some greater glory. Did he earn it all by himself? No, there was a great American business infrastructure already in place. He certainly couldn't have done what he did in India or China.

[nina]

PurpleZeuss wrote:

I'm tired of people treating small businepeople like white nights of the economy; they built their businesses for ONE reason: to MAKE MONEY. They didn't set out to make American better one bagel at a time, or to provide meaningful employment to others, so let's stop making them out to be heroes.
My father was a small businessman, and yes, he worked hard, but he was working for himself, not some greater glory. Did he earn it all by himself? No, there was a great American business infrastructure already in place. He certainly couldn't have done what he did in India or China.

WOW where did you get your
train of thought....what prof/univ....I think I would like your dad
he is a hero to me...he did create jobs.... do you work? why are you angry? Did he take care of the family...

[Romulous]

Nina wrote:

Small business creators: didn't do it themselves
what about sleepless nights, acquiring money
to keep the businesses going and keeping their
people working. It is all on their shoulders.
Why does there seem to be distain for people who
made the right choices in life, worked hard?
Why is dependence on the government "the good
child?"
It is good for people through hardwork to be able
to help their children, other relatives and
charities.

We don't have "disdain" for these people, but we're tired of being told that they must be given special treatment because they're "job creators".

Fine, they create jobs, but the rest of us the PERFORM the jobs, so we're just as essential to the system. The muffin shop, the kid behind the counter, the customer buying a cup of coffee... they're all "job creators"; take any one of them out of the economyl and you HAVE no economy.

Every time I buy a new shirt or go out to dinner, I'm helping to create a job.

[Job Creator]

Romulous wrote:

Fine, they create jobs, but the rest of us the PERFORM the jobs, so we're just as essential to the system.

No, unless you are a licensed professional, you are completely expendable. There's a dozen other people out there willing to take your job for lots less money than you make. Don't give your boss a reason to make that happen.

[Romulous]

Job Creator wrote:

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No, unless you are a licensed professional, you are completely expendable. There's a dozen other people out there willing to take your job for lots less money than you make. Don't give your boss a reason to make that happen.

Completely expendable? Quality workers are never "completely expendable". Yes, there are replacements workers for virtually every employee, whether or not they're licensed. Most of the time, licensure only means that you passed a basic skills test and/or paid the State Department a licensing-fee...beyond that, licensure means nothing.

I've been a business-owner my entire life, just like my father and his father before him. I've hired and fire hundreds of people, and I'm here to tell you that there is NOT an endless supply of quality workers from which to choose. QUALITY workers are always in demand, and are NEVER easily replaced; you would know that if you were an employer.

[Romulous]

nina wrote:

<quoted text>WOW where did you get your
train of thought....what prof/univ....I think I would like your dad
he is a hero to me...he did create jobs.... do you work? why are you angry? Did he take care of the family...

My train-of-thought runs right through a little town called "reality"; a place you've obviously never visited.

[FlippinUoff]

Businesspeople crack me up; they do everything that they can to pay their workers as little as possible without benefits, then they wring their hands in frustration that there are no more hard-workng, loyal employees! Well guess what...you can't buy loyalty for $10 an hour sans benefits!

[Kaiser Soze]

Romulous wrote:

Quality workers are never "completely expendable". Yes, there are replacements workers for virtually every employee, whether or not they're licensed.

You are right about quality employees, but few are nearly as good as they think they are, and I agree with the other guy-- almost all are totally expendable.

Romulous wrote:

Most of the time, licensure only means that you passed a basic skills test and/or paid the State Department a licensing-fee...beyond that, licensure means nothing.

The only licensed professionals are physicans and attorneys. The only other professionals, who have no licensure, are academics.

"Professional" by definition, requires a terminal degree. You can't be a "professional hairdresser", "professional salesman", etc.

[Saiser Koze]

Kaiser Soze wrote:

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You are right about quality employees, but few are nearly as good as they think they are, and I agree with the other guy-- almost all are totally expendable.
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The only licensed professionals are physicans and attorneys. The only other professionals, who have no licensure, are academics.
"Professional" by definition, requires a terminal degree. You can't be a "professional hairdresser", "professional salesman", etc.

Once again, you are wrong. Merriam Webster defines "professional"(n) as:

"a person who is professional; especially : a person who engages in a pursuit or activity professionally"

You can be a "professional" anything, as long as it is a paid pursuit. By your definition, there are no professional athletes or professional movie directors.

You sir, are an idiot.

[Kaiser Soze]

Simply receiving a paycheck for something does not make one a "professional", no matter what lingo is attached to it.

Those are vocations. There's a big difference, but you obviously don't understand that.

[Hudson 308]

Everyone should agree that Slobama is a f/n idiot and should have NEVER been been elected to begin with!! My nation UNDER GOD is going to hell because of him. Oh by the way- I've been self employed for 40 yrs and busted my ass for my family. I always paid more than the base wage plus health care .Obama didn't help me or ANYONE else in this screwed up country........

[truth]

Hudson 308 wrote:

Everyone should agree that Slobama is a f/n idiot and should have NEVER been been elected to begin with!! My nation UNDER GOD is going to hell because of him. Oh by the way- I've been self employed for 40 yrs and busted my ass for my family. I always paid more than the base wage plus health care .Obama didn't help me or ANYONE else in this screwed up country........

Spare is your self promotion. You ran your business out of greed, so don't act like some half assed Mother Theresa.

You paid more than minimum wage...big f#cking deal! You think that makes you employer of the year? Did you pay benefits? Did you offer profit sharing? You paid your workers a little more so that they wouldn't leave.

[Kaiser Soze]

Profit sharing? They can start their own business!

You socialists are all idiots...

[Hudson 308]

truth wrote:

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Spare is your self promotion. You ran your business out of greed, so don't act like some half assed Mother Theresa.
You paid more than minimum wage...big f#cking deal! You think that makes you employer of the year? Did you pay benefits? Did you offer profit sharing? You paid your workers a little more so that they wouldn't leave.

I my my way in this world. You on the other hand always had it out for free-bees , welfare, medicade,section 8 housing-shall I go on?? Just by your address tells me you're a dipshit democrap who just whines until he gets his way. Go stick it MORON

[Truth]

Hudson 308 wrote:

<quoted text> I my my way in this world. You on the other hand always had it out for free-bees , welfare, medicade,section 8 housing-shall I go on?? Just by your address tells me you're a dipshit democrap who just whines until he gets his way. Go stick it MORON

Your address says a lot, too!!!

I've dropped nicer turds than Schenectady!

[Truth]

Kaiser Soze wrote:

Profit sharing? They can start their own business!
You socialists are all idiots...

And you idiots are all Republicans!

[Hudson 308]

Truth wrote:

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And you idiots are all Republicans!

DAMN STRAIGHT WE ARE. At least we support ourselves and don't rely on this idiotic govt we have for losers like you!!