'Give more autistic children prozac' says expert

Sep 21, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Mail

“It really should be considered as part of an overall treatment package.”

Comments More autistic children in the UK should be given drugs like Prozac to control their symptoms, an expert said today. via Daily Mail

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Drugs are not the answer. There several educational methods: ABA, discreet trial, floor time that do work. Every program needs time to
see if it will help the child, if not try another one, or try another therapist, the child may not work with that person. But to increase
any drug for a child, is not the answer. There is no cure for autism
and drugs should not be the easy way out. Take the time to know the child and work with the parents to help the child learn.
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Drugs are not the answer. But to increase any drug for a child, is not the answer. There is no cure for autism and drugs should not be the easy way out.
Drugs may not be the answer but they are one way to manage symptoms and help the child deal with the world. There are a large number of treatment that are effective for autism and, as you said, they must be given time to work. But often in real life medications can help while working with therapies, diets, vitamins, chelation, etc, etc, etc, that each help a lot with some kids, a little with others and not at all with yet others. Drugs should be used cautiously and with open eyes to their side effects, but they are not evil nor does anyone pretend that they can cure a child.
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Chelation is one thing.
Then there are neuro acupuncture, foot detoxes, meetings with shaman, brain thought screening helmets and many more alternative treatments that parents claim helped their autistic children.
They should accept them as they are.
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Drugs may not be the answer but they are one way to manage symptoms and help the child deal with the world. There are a large number of treatment that are effective for autism and, as you said, they must be given time to work. But often in real life medications can help while working with therapies, diets, vitamins, chelation, etc, etc, etc, that each help a lot with some kids, a little with others and not at all with yet others. Drugs should be used cautiously and with open eyes to their side effects, but they are not evil nor does anyone pretend that they can cure a child.
My point was, prozac is a little extreme. I would have no problem with vitamins, diets (gluten free),chelation if it done under the right conditions. The childs health and well being is what is important, I think prozac would be a bandage instead of giving the child the tools he will need to survive the rest their life.
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Chelation is one thing.
Then there are neuro acupuncture, foot detoxes, meetings with shaman, brain thought screening helmets and many more alternative treatments that parents claim helped their autistic children.
They should accept them as they are.
I accept my child. I do not accept that his illness cannot be treated. I will stick with therapies that are broadly accepted and safe. No foot detoxes for us. Chelation may be on the agenda in a few more months.
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My point was, prozac is a little extreme. I would have no problem with vitamins, diets (gluten free),chelation if it done under the right conditions. The childs health and well being is what is important, I think prozac would be a bandage instead of giving the child the tools he will need to survive the rest their life.
Absolutely! Prozac (et al) is a bandage. But sometimes a bandage is very appropriate while deeper healing is going on.
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I accept my child. I do not accept that his illness cannot be treated. I will stick with therapies that are broadly accepted and safe. No foot detoxes for us. Chelation may be on the agenda in a few more months.
Chelation is an alternative treatment that is not acknowledged by mainstream medical community. The many theories of how it supposedly works have been disproven. People like DAN! might give you the impression of otherwise. While Generation Rescue is apparently not withholding it:

http://www.generationrescue.org/last.html
[quote="Generation Rescue"]They will say you are crazy, that treatment is "quackery", and that it is unsafe and unproven.[/quote]

Please visit www.kevinleitch.co.uk for a different story than what people like DAN! might give you.
And you might want to look at the history of secretin and autism.

A phrase used by the famous autism parent Kevin Leitch says that parents should "Stop running from who their children are" rather than "not give up om curing autism". Autism is not an illness, it is not a "thing" at all, it is an aspect of who a child is.

Aspies for Freedom is a group that is very angered by how many alternative doctors have lured autism parents to such treatments that are infact sometimes dangerous. Some think that the media's view of autism as a "crippling disease" is to blame.

Here's an article:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8019...
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Chelation is an alternative treatment that is not acknowledged by mainstream medical community. The many theories of how it supposedly works have been disproven. People like DAN! might give you the impression of otherwise. While Generation Rescue is apparently not withholding it:
http://www.generationrescue.org/last.html
[quote="Generation Rescue"]They will say you are crazy, that treatment is "quackery", and that it is unsafe and unproven.[/quote]
Please visit www.kevinleitch.co.uk for a different story than what people like DAN! might give you.
And you might want to look at the history of secretin and autism.
A phrase used by the famous autism parent Kevin Leitch says that parents should "Stop running from who their children are" rather than "not give up om curing autism". Autism is not an illness, it is not a "thing" at all, it is an aspect of who a child is.
Aspies for Freedom is a group that is very angered by how many alternative doctors have lured autism parents to such treatments that are infact sometimes dangerous. Some think that the media's view of autism as a "crippling disease" is to blame.
Here's an article:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8019...
It is just these sorts of biased views that I find the need to debunk.

That autsim is not an illness flies in the face of medical science. Perhaps you also think cancer is a lifestyle choice. In autism the brain shows signs of serious inflammation in some areas, lack of ability to proces differential signals. People with autism also frequently have immune irregularities, gastrointestinal digestion and absorbtion issues, behavior, mood and sleep distrubances. Not to mention problems learning and using spoken language.

Chelation therapy is not dangerous. It has been used since the early 60's. There have been neither deaths nor any serious injuries reported from chelation (when actual chelation agents were used and not poisons with similar sounding names).

You posted two links: One to a blowhard with anger issues and another to a known biased article which is not even in agreement with the CDC who has stated that the issues of autisms causes and treatements are still an open issue for further exploration (not an exact quote but I got the flavor close).

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/youropinions....

BTW, my son sees both a very triditional autism specialist peditrician and a DAN doctor.
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It is just these sorts of biased views that I find the need to debunk.
That autsim is not an illness flies in the face of medical science. Perhaps you also think cancer is a lifestyle choice. In autism the brain shows signs of serious inflammation in some areas, lack of ability to proces differential signals. People with autism also frequently have immune irregularities, gastrointestinal digestion and absorbtion issues, behavior, mood and sleep distrubances. Not to mention problems learning and using spoken language.
Bias, or just common sense?

I wonder what my friend Amanda Baggs has to say about your statements. She is a non-verbal autistic woman aged 28 and has made this site:

http://www.gettingthetruthout.org/

It has a twist to it. She also has a blog:

http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/...

She is obsessed with writing.
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The "way of life" statement is not widely used within the neurodiversity community. It was something that was first said by gay-rights activists at some point of time so that is really why some have chosen to use it.

It is true that autistic people and their parents meet alot of challanges, but you should honestly never tell people what they are not able to do or dehumanize traits of their condition.

I might have been abit harsh here, but I want to give some insight. I have Asperger Syndrome myself and it is not really that easy to read what you write without being provoked.
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The "way of life" statement is not widely used within the neurodiversity community. It was something that was first said by gay-rights activists at some point of time so that is really why some have chosen to use it.
It is true that autistic people and their parents meet alot of challanges, but you should honestly never tell people what they are not able to do or dehumanize traits of their condition.
I might have been abit harsh here, but I want to give some insight. I have Asperger Syndrome myself and it is not really that easy to read what you write without being provoked.
It is intended to provoke. Hopefully thought and not anger. We do not understand autism well at all yet, but some aspects of it we know pretty well. Autism is associated with ones genetic makeup, with inflammation in the brain and often the gastrointestinal track, with enviornmental insults including, but not at all limited to, pesticides, mercury, testostrone exposure in the womb, lead, aluminum and other metels and possibly also with vaccinations. It has a number of physical symptoms other than just a different view of the world or way of relating to it.

People with autism are still people. They are entitled to their own opinion as to why they are the way they are. We all have such opinions and view of the world. But opinions differ. The medical science that is coming into focus (slowly) will eventually bring more concensus as to the what and why of this condition.

Disclosure: My son has autism (and is a wonderful person), my daughter is an ABA therapist and am a psychotherapist who has had a number of clients with autism over the years. What you call 'DAN' therapies work in many (unfortunately not all) cases. My son has improved markedly since starting with these treatments just as I have seen other children improve DRAMATICLY in very short periods of time. Better eye contact. Better communication skills. And (just as important) NO loss of their personality or unique individualism. My son is the same boy, but has gone from isolating himself in a special needs preschool to getting A's and being the most popular kid in his first grade class. He is still 'neuro-diverse' as all get out. Only now he is able to share it better. Is that dehumanizing?
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It is intended to provoke. Hopefully thought and not anger. We do not understand autism well at all yet, but some aspects of it we know pretty well. Autism is associated with ones genetic makeup, with inflammation in the brain and often the gastrointestinal track, with enviornmental insults including, but not at all limited to, pesticides, mercury, testostrone exposure in the womb, lead, aluminum and other metels and possibly also with vaccinations. It has a number of physical symptoms other than just a different view of the world or way of relating to it.
People with autism are still people. They are entitled to their own opinion as to why they are the way they are. We all have such opinions and view of the world. But opinions differ. The medical science that is coming into focus (slowly) will eventually bring more concensus as to the what and why of this condition.
Disclosure: My son has autism (and is a wonderful person), my daughter is an ABA therapist and am a psychotherapist who has had a number of clients with autism over the years. What you call 'DAN' therapies work in many (unfortunately not all) cases. My son has improved markedly since starting with these treatments just as I have seen other children improve DRAMATICLY in very short periods of time. Better eye contact. Better communication skills. And (just as important) NO loss of their personality or unique individualism. My son is the same boy, but has gone from isolating himself in a special needs preschool to getting A's and being the most popular kid in his first grade class. He is still 'neuro-diverse' as all get out. Only now he is able to share it better. Is that dehumanizing?
I am not a parent, but a child, and in my opinion a good autism parent only need to understand their child, I don't think anyone really have need of knowing the cause of autism. Still, loads of money is put into it, and people fear that it will only cause a prenetal test to rip people like me and your son from the surface of the earth instead of helping autistic people who do need help in real-life problems today.

I know people, including parents, who have never really seen any "dramatic" improvement in autistic children who have received chelation, or at least not any dramatic improvement that other autistic children who do not receive any treatment experience aswell. Autistic children learn, and maybe faster than you think.
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I am not a parent, but a child, and in my opinion a good autism parent only need to understand their child, I don't think anyone really have need of knowing the cause of autism. Still, loads of money is put into it, and people fear that it will only cause a prenetal test to rip people like me and your son from the surface of the earth instead of helping autistic people who do need help in real-life problems today.
I certainly hope not! I agree diversity is important. Autism does not make one dumb or retarded. My son is VERY smart. Scary smart at times! Cause is secondary. Cause is helpful if it points the way to treatment especially of my sons digestive and immune problems. His brain is okay. Different, but very good.
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I know people, including parents, who have never really seen any "dramatic" improvement in autistic children who have received chelation, or at least not any dramatic improvement that other autistic children who do not receive any treatment experience aswell. Autistic children learn, and maybe faster than you think.
Certainly you are correct on both points. Chelation can only work if neurotoxic metals are present at levels that cause problems. I don't think this is true in the majority of the cases.

Autistic children do learn and can learn very quickly. If the difference in learning and communication were the only problems I see then it would not be an issue. But my son also has immune problems and gastrointestinal issues. He responded instantly to vitamin B6 + magnesium. After a three day weekend the went back to school and had a note from his teacher who was amazed at how much more he was talking and how alert and focused he seemed. Diet was a smaller effect for us, but helpful. We will try chelation later this year. Research shows that chelation is usually either dramatic or has no effect. There is not to much of a middle ground.

I hope my tone has not been too negative. I appreciate your comments. I have a friend (or rather had, I have not seen him in a couple of years) with Aspergers. He had a great personality but had problems with eye contact and became very anxious when we were in a crowd. I think Aspergers and autism are similer but also different.
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Even though your first comment about "how bad autism is" was provoking your last comment was not provoking at all.

Thanks you for giving the opportunity to trade views.

It is difficult to know what that is fact and false over the internet. It is not easy to believe the said improvement in autistic children who receive chelation when the very same improvements have been told from parents of autistic children who have got other very different alternative treatments.

I am talking about treatments like [URL=http://abchomeopathy.com/ c.php/18]homeopathy[/URL],[URL =http://www.drgreene.org/body. cfm?id=21&action=detail &ref=761]secretin[/URL],[U RL=http://www.thetole.com/Auti sm.html]neuro acupuncture[/URL] and the popular treatment in France where autistic children are wrapped in cold and wet blankets to "stimulate the brain".

I hope there aren't parents who read this message will try all these.
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I am talking about treatments like homeopathy:

http://abchomeopathy.com/c.php/18

Neuro Acupuncture:

http://www.thetole.com/Autism.html

Secretin injection:

http://www.drgreene.org/body.cfm...

... and the popular treatment in France where autistic children are wrapped in cold and wet blankets to "stimulate the brain".
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It is just these sorts of biased views that I find the need to debunk.
That autsim is not an illness flies in the face of medical science. Perhaps you also think cancer is a lifestyle choice. In autism the brain shows signs of serious inflammation in some areas, lack of ability to proces differential signals. People with autism also frequently have immune irregularities, gastrointestinal digestion and absorbtion issues, behavior, mood and sleep distrubances. Not to mention problems learning and using spoken language.
Chelation therapy is not dangerous. It has been used since the early 60's. There have been neither deaths nor any serious injuries reported from chelation (when actual chelation agents were used and not poisons with similar sounding names).
You posted two links: One to a blowhard with anger issues and another to a known biased article which is not even in agreement with the CDC who has stated that the issues of autisms causes and treatements are still an open issue for further exploration (not an exact quote but I got the flavor close).
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/youropinions....
BTW, my son sees both a very triditional autism specialist peditrician and a DAN doctor.
My child, also sees a regular doc and a DAN! doc; both agreed that chelation is safe when necessary. We have tried MANY treatments and therapies for him, including chelation (after having a metal test concluding he had very high levels of lead and tin). Chelation made a huge difference in his life- physically and mentally! His cognitive awareness is superb and can cope & function better than ever with his surroundings. He currently is taking a very low dose of Prozac for his OCD and anxiety; as well as receives speech and OT. He his in mainstream school, has straight A's, plays in sports, has friends, and enjoys life. All things that would not be possible if we had not done chelation.
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I am not a parent, but a child, and in my opinion a good autism parent only need to understand their child, I don't think anyone really have need of knowing the cause of autism. Still, loads of money is put into it, and people fear that it will only cause a prenetal test to rip people like me and your son from the surface of the earth instead of helping autistic people who do need help in real-life problems today.
I know people, including parents, who have never really seen any "dramatic" improvement in autistic children who have received chelation, or at least not any dramatic improvement that other autistic children who do not receive any treatment experience aswell. Autistic children learn, and maybe faster than you think.
My son is autistic. I will NEVER give him any of this poison.

Autistic people have communication problems. They need more time and energy from their carers to communicate. It is as simple as that!
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My child, also sees a regular doc and a DAN! doc; both agreed that chelation is safe when necessary. We have tried MANY treatments and therapies for him, including chelation (after having a metal test concluding he had very high levels of lead and tin). Chelation made a huge difference in his life- physically and mentally! His cognitive awareness is superb and can cope & function better than ever with his surroundings. He currently is taking a very low dose of Prozac for his OCD and anxiety; as well as receives speech and OT. He his in mainstream school, has straight A's, plays in sports, has friends, and enjoys life. All things that would not be possible if we had not done chelation.
Another great success story! I am glad your son is doing so well. It is amazing that chelation works so well for so many kids with autism. I wonder if metal accumulation to a toxic point is a cause (trigger) or an effect of autsim. In other words could autism actually be a disorder of an impaired ability of the body to remove these neurotoxins (at least in some cases)? Idle specuation on my part especially since not 100% of cases of autism have metal issues.

Obviously medical science is behind the biological, chemical, cell and immune sciences on what triggers autism. We need a lot more research and we need it quickly.
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My son is autistic. I will NEVER give him any of this poison.
Autistic people have communication problems. They need more time and energy from their carers to communicate. It is as simple as that!
Which poisons are you referring to? A healthy body chelates naturally, but many people with autsim appear to have an impairment in this area. There is a lot more going on that just communication skills. Google autism, brain, images. Chelation may be doing for autistics something similar to what insulin does for diabetics.
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Which poisons are you referring to? A healthy body chelates naturally, but many people with autsim appear to have an impairment in this area. There is a lot more going on that just communication skills. Google autism, brain, images. Chelation may be doing for autistics something similar to what insulin does for diabetics.
It is not to hide under the carpet that there have been terrible accidents where chelation agents have been mixed up and patients have died of cardiac arrest. Parents should rather be very wary of claims of working alternative treatments until more scientific evidence decide whether or not this treatment really can be helpfull.

A parent at another forum tells how he/she felt that his/her child improved developmentally with chelation, but later realized that it was just the big expectations from the chelation that made him see only what he wanted to see.

Still, alot of autistic children do develop fast often in periods of their childhood, whether or not there is any chelation or other alternative treatment.

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People should be aware that chelation also has an earlier history as an alternative treatment for a heart condition called cardiovascular disease.

It all started in 1950 when some painters at a battery plant got chelation as a treatment for lead poisoning they had got from the paint. The patients claimed that they felt a number of improvements after the chelation like "more energized", "more ability to concentrate" and ofcourse, less heart problems which made everything go KA-BOOM! and if it weren't for those painters it would probably not be chelation that would be the second alternative autism treatment up for a placebo-controlled trial.

It is pretty proven that chelation is not a good treatment for cardiovascular disease.

It is maybe just a coincidence that some alternative chelation therapists stumbled upon Andrew Wakefield's paper in 1998. Andrew Wakefield's theories about mercury causing autism is just one in a hundred of theories about what causes autism.

The mercury theory is rejected by mainstream medical community.

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