For the Atheist...
Guest2

Comfort, TX

#221 Jun 19, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
He already did prove himself through the Devine life of Jesus.
The only thing your ridiculous bronze age superstition proves is the gullibility of its adherents.

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#222 Jun 19, 2012
Guest2 wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing your ridiculous bronze age superstition proves is the gullibility of its adherents.
Then here's an idea... This topic has become useless since you insist on making this about my beliefs. It should have been if there was anything at all that could change your mind. Clearly, you are not going to change your mind and I am not giving up my faith - so I declare an impasse. Have a nice day.
Christopher

Jonesboro, AR

#223 Jun 19, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything but God. God is infinite but created the finite. You are correct.
So, Who or What created GOD ?

If everything must be created and have a beginning that is designed as you state and believe then of course, to follow your own logic, GOD must too have been created and have a beginning.

And we can determine based on your own information that God can not indeed be Infinite because according to your logic that fact would be an impossibility.

Sooo, who or what created 'God'?

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#224 Jun 19, 2012
Christopher wrote:
<quoted text>So, Who or What created GOD ?

If everything must be created and have a beginning that is designed as you state and believe then of course, to follow your own logic, GOD must too have been created and have a beginning.

And we can determine based on your own information that God can not indeed be Infinite because according to your logic that fact would be an impossibility.

Sooo, who or what created 'God'?
Clearly you do not understand the difference between finite and Infinite

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#225 Jun 19, 2012
Christopher wrote:
<quoted text>So, Who or What created GOD ?

If everything must be created and have a beginning that is designed as you state and believe then of course, to follow your own logic, GOD must too have been created and have a beginning.

And we can determine based on your own information that God can not indeed be Infinite because according to your logic that fact would be an impossibility.

Sooo, who or what created 'God'?
I gave no indication that God was anything but infinite. You try to twist things to keep arguments going instead of contributing. I don't think there is any hope for you.
Guest2

Comfort, TX

#226 Jun 19, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
Then here's an idea... This topic has become useless since you insist on making this about my beliefs. It should have been if there was anything at all that could change your mind. Clearly, you are not going to change your mind and I am not giving up my faith - so I declare an impasse. Have a nice day.
Sorry, but this discussion has always been about "Your Beliefs" and what it would take for me to believe the way you do. I told you what it would take. That I haven't been convinced means either your god is imaginary or is a failure, and therefore, not a god.
Christopher

Jonesboro, AR

#227 Jun 20, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave no indication that God was anything but infinite. You try to twist things to keep arguments going instead of contributing. I don't think there is any hope for you.
So, AGAIN.... You have Zero answer for me?

Instead of an answer you chose to be petty and show your frustration.

Now, Answer my question.

Based on your own logic we are to understand that all things were created and have a beginning. Therefore, according to your logic, we can know that a GOD figure must have been created as well.

So again.

Who or what created your God?

And did they creat a few other Gods to watch over other Galaxies do you think?

Did any other God that was created by 'whatever' also have a son they sent down to a planet and kill?

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#228 Jun 20, 2012
Christopher wrote:
<quoted text>So, AGAIN.... You have Zero answer for me?

Instead of an answer you chose to be petty and show your frustration.

Now, Answer my question.

Based on your own logic we are to understand that all things were created and have a beginning. Therefore, according to your logic, we can know that a GOD figure must have been created as well.

So again.

Who or what created your God?

And did they creat a few other Gods to watch over other Galaxies do you think?

Did any other God that was created by 'whatever' also have a son they sent down to a planet and kill?
God created everything we know. God was and is and will be because he is not limited (finite). He is unlimited (infinite) in power.

No one created God, so therefore the rest of your questions are moot.

And to illustrate an example:

A cook can create a recipe but because of his creation is not created himself. He becomes justified because he has created a recipe.
bangarang

Buffalo, NY

#229 Jun 20, 2012
But who created the cook?
Guest2

Marble Falls, TX

#230 Jun 20, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
No one created God, so therefore the rest of your questions are moot.
By that statement alone your entire argument is flawed. So failing to correct your mistake or else providing verifiable evidence to support your claim, everything you say further on the subject is moot.

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#231 Jun 20, 2012
Guest2 wrote:
<quoted text>By that statement alone your entire argument is flawed. So failing to correct your mistake or else providing verifiable evidence to support your claim, everything you say further on the subject is moot.
What I mean is that since no one created God and since I believe there is only one true God, then the other questions you asked have no answer.
Christopher

Jonesboro, AR

#232 Jun 20, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
<quoted text>
What I mean is that since no one created God and since I believe there is only one true God, then the other questions you asked have no answer.
Interesting choice of an answer Dyer....

It is completely contradictory. Funny even.

In one breathe you state how the proof of a God is because 'Nothing can come from Nothing and therefore Everything has a creator and begining'...

but in the next breathe, you state your proof simply being that you'believe' that Nothing and No One created God because he has always been.....as in: He came from Nothing originally.

Yet...you also state that 'Things can not come from nothing'...which would include Everything...even a God.

Sooooooo?
Christopher

Jonesboro, AR

#233 Jun 20, 2012
The reality here is that No religious believer has ANY real proof of ANY supernatural being or of ANY past human being a Deity or the such. There is also ZERO real proof or Evidence of ANY miracle claim to have really happened from ANY of the many many religions.

As year go by and humans create NEW religions..most recently such as Mormonism and Scientology, the le and tales get bigger and bigger and the miracle claims,etc. must get even more far fetched due to the human need to out do the previous deed or story.

There are MORE free thinkers and Atheists today than ever. This fact is due to the eae of education, real facts and information provided by the internet. People that are on the edge of what to beleive may simply do their own research and are everyday finding it blindingly obvious how ridiculous Religion of ANY type is.

This fact has the religous so worried that many different religions, Christians be one of the wors are producing videos and writing 'fake' stories on how they have 'evidence' etc. of various claims. Of course it is so easy to shift thru this due to the availability of real Scientific documentation thru website research.

Gone are the days when people had no real access to facts. Gone are the days when people had to simply do and beleive whatever fairytales their parents parents believed in.

Yet, there are so many, like YER here that will continue to have 'faith' in Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Thor, Loki, Athena,etc. simply because it is EASIER for them to live their life that way and they are to weak minded to allow themselves the humility that comes with the understanding that we will not in fact live forever, we will never see our dead friends or loved ones and all we have is this one chance in life....thats it.

Once a person acepts those things and gains some Self Confidence..they become happier and tend to cherish life and every moment even more so and it has been proven that the majority of free thinkers are also so very loving and Non Judgemental that they instantly have a greater quality of life thru extended friendships that are based on life, love and happiness and Not based on a made up set of hate filled rules justified by something that can never be proven yet is kept alive thru fear and weakness of the minds of the believers.

You are Welcome :-)

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#234 Jun 20, 2012
Christopher wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting choice of an answer Dyer....

It is completely contradictory. Funny even.

In one breathe you state how the proof of a God is because 'Nothing can come from Nothing and therefore Everything has a creator and begining'...

but in the next breathe, you state your proof simply being that you'believe' that Nothing and No One created God because he has always been.....as in: He came from Nothing originally.

Yet...you also state that 'Things can not come from nothing'...which would include Everything...even a God.

Sooooooo?
God is not nothing. And you might want to fact check what I stated because I did not say all that you say I did.
Guest2

Marble Falls, TX

#235 Jun 20, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
God is not nothing.
Then it must have come from something. You can't continue to insist your position is the only possible infinite until you can provide verifiable evidence that it is and the other position isn't without being hopelessly illogical.

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#236 Jun 20, 2012
Guest2 wrote:
<quoted text>Then it must have come from something. You can't continue to insist your position is the only possible infinite until you can provide verifiable evidence that it is and the other position isn't without being hopelessly illogical.
Tell me, this...

Why does everything in the universe known to man expand when heated and contract when it is cold... Except one thing?

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#237 Jun 20, 2012
Guest2 wrote:
<quoted text>Then it must have come from something. You can't continue to insist your position is the only possible infinite until you can provide verifiable evidence that it is and the other position isn't without being hopelessly illogical.
The problem with your logic is that if God was created or did not exist before a certain point in time, then he is not limitless as I suggest.

God is not limited, he is limitless. He has always been and time does not affect him.

You do not understand the nature of God and as such, you try to explain him according to your limited skills and knowledge. You must experience it to know.

Christopher, you have indeed sharpened my sword and resolve but our time is at an end.

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#238 Jun 20, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
<quoted text>The problem with your logic is that if God was created or did not exist before a certain point in time, then he is not limitless as I suggest.

God is not limited, he is limitless. He has always been and time does not affect him.

You do not understand the nature of God and as such, you try to explain him according to your limited skills and knowledge. You must experience it to know.

Christopher, you have indeed sharpened my sword and resolve but our time is at an end.
sorry, meant to say Guest2 and Christopher
Guest2

Marble Falls, TX

#239 Jun 20, 2012
SenseiDyer wrote:
Tell me, this...
Why does everything in the universe known to man expand when heated and contract when it is cold... Except one thing?
Do you really think not having answers to all questions translates into "God musta dunit"? That's the epitome of superstitious ignorance.

Since: Mar 11

Jonesboro, AR

#240 Jun 20, 2012
Guest2 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you really think not having answers to all questions translates into "God musta dunit"? That's the epitome of superstitious ignorance.
Water.

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