Developers find outspoken ally on Cit...

Developers find outspoken ally on City Council

There are 86 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Developers find outspoken ally on City Council. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Especially in tough economic times, Vallejo's major developers should be worked with rather than told to leave, City Councilwoman Marti Brown said Tuesday night.

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Crow in the Road

Richmond, CA

#21 Jul 29, 2010
The nose knows wrote:
Marti took a LARGE campaign contribution from TRIAD.
Marti is in their pocket.
Know what I mean?
Nose, I recall it was an in-kind donation, but the point is, she is advocating for them now, the only one to do so. I'm not surprised, that's the nature of politics. Quid pro quo, ya know.
The nose knows

Alameda, CA

#22 Jul 29, 2010
Marti's a sellout. Triad had their chance. The city rightfully dumped them.

Since: Nov 09

Vallejo

#23 Jul 29, 2010
Truth Teller wrote:
The problem with Vallejo are explicitly illustrated here. The problem with Vallejo is Vallejoans. They can only join together when there is something to be against.
In the last 15 years other cities have had much success developing downtown, water front and closed military bases, while Vallejo(ans) have done nothing but bicker back and forth while the city crumbles.
With the current political and administrative structure, Vallejo will never catch up. So keep complaining and whining while other cities lure business and revenue for the good of their citizens.
You do speak the truth. I don't know if all forums are like this, but it seems this one is a bully pulpit for anyone who wants to rant on. It is only when the community stops being part of the problem to be become part of the solution, that things will get better.

It's boring to read the same old crap of which elected "official" is in who's pocket. Unless your ready to back up those comments off the forum, you have zero creditability.

What happened is Marti Brown brought up one of the main issues, that stall the City's recovery. The City is run by the same non producing managers, most from outside Vallejo, whose only concerned about their own paycheck while waiting for retirement. We are filty with Consultants and no results, and zero forward movement.

If this unempowered Council started looking at the bigger problems, or pointing out issues (as Marti did) and asking for answers, we could see progress. What we have is a Council that doesn't care beyond attacking Public Safety, fighting growth no growth and are unfazed when nothing happens. It's time the Council trade lipservice into action/ The City needs to change the way they do business and that change starts with ridding the City of the all the arrogant non-resident "Craig's" who ensure they are safe, while the City spins out of control.
gun metal blue

Vallejo, CA

#24 Jul 29, 2010
will the writer of the article, with out out right lieing, list all projects done for the city of vallejo where the city has came out ahead? sure you can list where triad has came out ahead, but what about the city? well, we are waiting, and don't list those in office or those that have left, i mean the citizens!
gun metal blue

Vallejo, CA

#25 Jul 29, 2010
invest in vallejo
fact: the mayor and city council are tempory employees.
fact: city employees not elected are far more perminate then elected officials. thus, stall and wait until a change of the guard. when new ones come in, same old record.
fact: the city council can never have a majority replaced at any given election. this is to retain control of power over all desisions.
fact: citizens speak out and as with congress, the words of the citizens go in one ear and out the other as there is nothing in between the ears of city officals to stop words.
fact: to get any movement by the mayor and city council, one must go to every meeting speak what is needed and after a year or so, something is done just to shut the speaker up.
"It's boring to read the same old crap of which elected "official" is in who's pocket. Unless your ready to back up those comments off the forum, you have zero creditability."
wrong! it is never boring to read what at times can not be proven any more then cercomstantual evidence. however, when it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. the question is what kind of a duck. all one needs to do is follow the money! who is paying it and where is it going? after that, just look and see who makes what kind of desision and who benifits!
Hunker Down Brown

Vallejo, CA

#26 Jul 29, 2010
I forget the value of Triad's in-kind contribution to Brown's campaign. I think it was $500? She is as much in their pocket now as anyone else that took labor money for their campaigns, it's no different in my book.
I See Dumb People

AOL

#27 Jul 29, 2010
gun metal blue wrote:
invest in vallejo
fact: the mayor and city council are tempory employees.
fact: city employees not elected are far more perminate then elected officials. thus, stall and wait until a change of the guard. when new ones come in, same old record.
fact: the city council can never have a majority replaced at any given election. this is to retain control of power over all desisions.
fact: citizens speak out and as with congress, the words of the citizens go in one ear and out the other as there is nothing in between the ears of city officals to stop words.
fact: to get any movement by the mayor and city council, one must go to every meeting speak what is needed and after a year or so, something is done just to shut the speaker up.
"It's boring to read the same old crap of which elected "official" is in who's pocket. Unless your ready to back up those comments off the forum, you have zero creditability."
wrong! it is never boring to read what at times can not be proven any more then cercomstantual evidence. however, when it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. the question is what kind of a duck. all one needs to do is follow the money! who is paying it and where is it going? after that, just look and see who makes what kind of desision and who benifits!
Fact: You and your Vallejo non-educated grammer are the biggest TARDS on these blogs! And considering all the TARDS on these blogs, that means something!

VIB Sux
Anon

Vallejo, CA

#28 Jul 29, 2010
Hunker Down Brown wrote:
I forget the value of Triad's in-kind contribution to Brown's campaign. I think it was $500? She is as much in their pocket now as anyone else that took labor money for their campaigns, it's no different in my book.
$500 out of $40,000? I think that's how much she raised. Hardly enough to be in someone's pocket -- not like the unions who give $1000s (or buck kamphausen)
Marti Brown

Rocklin, CA

#29 Jul 29, 2010
Triad's in-kind contribution to my campaign was valued at $600 for two rounds of golf and lunch for four. If I recall correctly, I raised a total of $52,000 by the time the campaign was over.

It's quite common for developers and PACs to contribute to political campaigns. I agree that it's not the ideal situation, but you do need money to run a campaign.

Perhaps, someone on this blog would like to take up campaign finance reform? A great summer project!
Elementary Penguin

Vallejo, CA

#30 Jul 29, 2010
Perhaps a council member should do their job and put this discussion on the agenda, and soon.

Since: Jun 09

Walnut Creek, CA

#31 Jul 29, 2010
Marti Brown wrote:
Triad's in-kind contribution to my campaign was valued at $600 for two rounds of golf and lunch for four. If I recall correctly, I raised a total of $52,000 by the time the campaign was over.
It's quite common for developers and PACs to contribute to political campaigns. I agree that it's not the ideal situation, but you do need money to run a campaign.
Perhaps, someone on this blog would like to take up campaign finance reform? A great summer project!
I hardly consider $600 a signifigant contribution. More than likely they contributed something to several candidates campaigns to cover their bases. Hardly new, and not news.
What needs to be known is how the pathetic Mayor is still Mayor. Would be great if Vallejo had a Mayor that had some sort of clue and/or intelligence.
There are good people in Vallejo, unfortunately many want to leave as I have done.
No more joke for a Mayor. No more cops (both fake (Grissle) and real) on the blogs threatening citizens (you know those folks that PAY THEM) while celebrating selling out their "brothers and sisters".
Good luck Vallejo, but I don't miss you.
Major Tom

San Bruno, CA

#32 Jul 29, 2010
Marti Brown wrote:
Triad's in-kind contribution to my campaign was valued at $600 for two rounds of golf and lunch for four. If I recall correctly, I raised a total of $52,000 by the time the campaign was over.
It's quite common for developers and PACs to contribute to political campaigns. I agree that it's not the ideal situation, but you do need money to run a campaign.
Perhaps, someone on this blog would like to take up campaign finance reform? A great summer project!
With all due respect ma'am, I believe it is your role to advance this issue but please let's not beat it to death with another committee.
John from Vallejo

United States

#33 Jul 29, 2010
Marti Brown is once again the only glimmer of hope we have on City Council. Excellent job. Keep speaking the truth, even if it pains so many to hear it.

I don't have a strong opinion on Triad, but I generally am against paying lawyers and especially in this case where I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around.

Get rid of Whitcomb and Nichellini as a starter. The City Manager is not effectively managing, the Mayor is an embarrassment, Marti is showing the leadership we sorely need in this town. Let's all get behind her, and see if she has three or more likeminded friends who can join her on council.
Home Grown

Vallejo, CA

#34 Jul 29, 2010
John from Vallejo wrote:
Marti Brown is once again the only glimmer of hope we have on City Council. Excellent job. Keep speaking the truth, even if it pains so many to hear it.
I don't have a strong opinion on Triad, but I generally am against paying lawyers and especially in this case where I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around.
Get rid of Whitcomb and Nichellini as a starter. The City Manager is not effectively managing, the Mayor is an embarrassment, Marti is showing the leadership we sorely need in this town. Let's all get behind her, and see if she has three or more likeminded friends who can join her on council.
Yea there are at least 2 more like minded friends on the council, Gomes and Shivley! They can all laugh about the risk they have put we the citizen's in while they play there fiddles and watch Vallejo burn. They would not even put a 1% sales tax up for Vote, the Bums that they are. The city of Concord is tlking about a incress of sales tax on the ballot for the citizens for public safety! The citizens are all for it, just like in Vallejo. But our 3 council puppets of the VIB will not even put it on the ballot.
getout of dodge

San Francisco, CA

#35 Jul 29, 2010
dave1021 wrote:
"I voted for you because of your experience as a senior planner..." Apparently, "experience as a senior planner" means "I know how to get developers to pick up my lunch tab."
You truely are the idiot. I suppose you think Osby has done a great job? Morons like you are the reason Vallejo is and alway will be the arm pit of the county and state. Finally their is someone that stands up to the mess the city got itself into and you want to critisize why. Vallejo's only hope is redevelopement. Until people want to live in the community, the schools and everything else will suffer the consiquence. Glad I got out when I did.
John from Vallejo

United States

#36 Jul 29, 2010
Home Grown wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea there are at least 2 more like minded friends on the council, Gomes and Shivley! They can all laugh about the risk they have put we the citizen's in while they play there fiddles and watch Vallejo burn. They would not even put a 1% sales tax up for Vote, the Bums that they are. The city of Concord is tlking about a incress of sales tax on the ballot for the citizens for public safety! The citizens are all for it, just like in Vallejo. But our 3 council puppets of the VIB will not even put it on the ballot.
You've got to be kidding. Nobody in their right mind would support a 1% sales tax. If the non-leaders on the council had not given VPOA a 7.5% gift, we would be able to afford 10-12 more officers right now. Public safety should be a right, not something held hostage by the unions.
Hunker Down Brown

Vallejo, CA

#37 Jul 29, 2010
Home Grown wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea there are at least 2 more like minded friends on the council, Gomes and Shivley! They can all laugh about the risk they have put we the citizen's in while they play there fiddles and watch Vallejo burn. They would not even put a 1% sales tax up for Vote, the Bums that they are. The city of Concord is tlking about a incress of sales tax on the ballot for the citizens for public safety! The citizens are all for it, just like in Vallejo. But our 3 council puppets of the VIB will not even put it on the ballot.
A similar measure will go to the Oakland voters as well. We should have been able to vote on this issue, not have those three stall it. For what?
Hunker Down Brown

Vallejo, CA

#38 Jul 29, 2010
John from Vallejo wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got to be kidding. Nobody in their right mind would support a 1% sales tax. If the non-leaders on the council had not given VPOA a 7.5% gift, we would be able to afford 10-12 more officers right now. Public safety should be a right, not something held hostage by the unions.
That isn't the point, the citizens should have been given the opportunity to vote on it. That's democracy in action, not sure what to call denying us that right.
GlitterDome

Fremont, CA

#39 Jul 29, 2010
Her outspokeness against City Hall makes me sparkle. All you have to do is get behind closed doors with a couple of City Hall department heads and the City mananger and you will see how inept and unVallejoan they really are. They are unmotivated and ney everything b/c they are stupid and MOST OF all LAZY. You see if they stifle the community then they don't have to produce anything. Their arrogance are a complete turn off to any outsider!!! When someone speaks out about them, they make you their enemy!!

I lived in many cities around the bay area and watched the towns grow into healthy communities within a matter of a couple of years.

Thanks God, i'm not a the City Council b/c I would be City Hall's worst night mare and I'm nottalking about public safety.
jane holland

Vallejo, CA

#40 Jul 29, 2010
John from Vallejo wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got to be kidding. Nobody in their right mind would support a 1% sales tax. If the non-leaders on the council had not given VPOA a 7.5% gift, we would be able to afford 10-12 more officers right now. Public safety should be a right, not something held hostage by the unions.
i would have voted for it. it's only a penny on a dollar, lot's of cities around us have 9.25%, i guess i'm crazy then.

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