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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70331 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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A guy named Jeff Wise posted an articled to Slate that annoyed me last week.
He had called an article "Wrong" that theorized a fire onboard the Malaysia plane (I posted that article here a week or so ago and said I thought it made sense) took it down.
I sent him a note and told him his article didn't convince the other article was wrong and would he write a new article admitting he was wrong if it turns out the other guy was right!
He said yes and that his Slate editor had already arranged a follow up piece. That satisfied me.
Check this out. When you have some time. It's truly chilling. From the Air France crash a few years back. State of the art plane with only a minor technical issue early on in the event, The only way out of stall is to point the nose down but the instinct is to do the opposite, Jeff Wise wrote this as well. I didn't realize that until just now.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/av...
wow - ouch!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70332 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
A guy named Jeff Wise posted an articled to Slate that annoyed me last week.
He had called an article "Wrong" that theorized a fire onboard the Malaysia plane (I posted that article here a week or so ago and said I thought it made sense) took it down.
I sent him a note and told him his article didn't convince the other article was wrong and would he write a new article admitting he was wrong if it turns out the other guy was right!
He said yes and that his Slate editor had already arranged a follow up piece. That satisfied me.
Check this out. When you have some time. It's truly chilling. From the Air France crash a few years back. State of the art plane with only a minor technical issue early on in the event, The only way out of stall is to point the nose down but the instinct is to do the opposite, Jeff Wise wrote this as well. I didn't realize that until just now.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/av...
".....At 2:02 am, the captain leaves the flight deck to take a nap. Within 15 minutes, everyone aboard the plane will be dead.]
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70333 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles---the issue will be whether one can now opt out of civil rights laws because of one's religious beliefs

HughBe--- In essence YOU are saying that the only ones who have rights are the homosexuals. People like me have no right to their RELIGIOUS beliefs and so if I do not believe that you and your male companion should be married YOU and the law championed by the rear specialists shall FORCE US to do things against our CONSCIENCE and our beliefs.

Whatever happened to FREEDOM of RELIGION and more importantly FREEDOM in general?

Frijoles---Up to now, the US courts have been VERY clear that civil rights trumps religious rights in most cases.

HughBe--- I need not google it to know that you are incorrect. To be correct you should have said IN RECENT TIMES.

Frijoles--- Religious expression has its limits.

HughBe--- Tell that to the Founding Fathers.

Frijoles---- You are free to worship on your own as long as you are not trampling on others people's civil rights.

HughBe--- Others should NOT have any right to FORCE you to do anything against your CONSCIENCE or beliefs.

Frijoles---The current case before the Supreme Court may change this.

HughBe--- Let us see.

Frijoles----However, the only reason the issue is before the courts is that it involves the new health care (Obamacare). Superfically, the case is about implementation of the new law. The religious angle is a repercussion of the case, since it involves a religious corporation (if there is such a thing -thats part of the debate).

HughBe--- noted.

Frijoles---I get that your bible thumping precludes you from understanding that gay rights is an equality issue.

HughB--- Why are you anti-Moses and the Tanach, you non "bible thumping" religious person?

Frijoles---No need to get back into that discussion except to note that demographically and legally, you are on the loosing side of that debate. Thanks Gods.

HughBe--- Indeed, you are correct when you say "Thanks GODS". However, the ALMIGHTY shall deal with the matter and this is an UNCONDITIONAL guarantee.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70334 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe---What do POVERTY levels have to do with someone being FORCED to drive a car to a location where a CRIME was subsequently committed and then the kidnapped gets arrested and IMPRISONED for 32 years?

2. It is clear to me that you see a link between poverty and half-life, the other point in my post and which related to a DIFFERENT scenario.

Frijoles---FR already posted the link between poverty, race, and opportunity. He does have a basis for agreement with you, if you would mellow enough to see it.

HughBe--- Perhaps you are correct about the agreement thing but my words above to YOU are clear.

Frijoles----Half life?(from your other post). What do you mean?

HughBe---"the length of time needed for the radioactivity of a radioactive substance to be reduced by half"
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70335 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Me thinks you would have to stand in line behind Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum, who, by the way, despite their similarities to you, do disgust better than you.
HughBe---if it be the will of the Almighty I could be the ruler of America. Now go ahead and mock the idea.

Frijoles---Me thinks you would have to stand in line behind Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum, who, by the way, despite their similarities to you, do disgust better than you.

HughBe--- My son, you are not connected to the ALMIGHTY and so you are in no position to speak for Him. On the other hand you are qualified to speak for the gods.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70336 Mar 27, 2014
former res wrote:
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There was a trail of his blood from the crime scene to his truck to his bedroom.
Guilty.
HughBe--- My memory tells me that the substance in his blood should not have been at the level it was based on its half-life. It was a long time ago but that is what my memory tells me. I believe it was some preservative.

Former---There was a trail of his blood from the crime scene to his truck to his bedroom.

Guilty.

HughBe--- Intelligent of you. I take it that a trail of blood from point x via the road to your house miles away means that you are responsible for it.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70337 Mar 27, 2014
Former---My poor recuperating friend, I have granted that the US is a relatively religious country.

HughBe--- At LAAAAAAST

Former---No, not at last. I said this a long time ago.
We have a lot of bible thumpers here, like you :))

HughBe--- There are not many like me anywhere on this planet.

Former---I am simply reiterating the separation between church and state that most of us fight hard to maintain. Now you dig, mon?

HUghBe---Certainly there are some holes that I dig but not others and the hole that you speak of is an example of a hole that I shall not enter.

Now, the idea of separation of church and state did not prevent the CONGRESS of the US to print the FIRST BIBLE in English and also to APPROVE it for the use in SCHOOLS. It also did NOT prevent states from having a state RELIGION e.g. Massachusetts.
Dig that, Mon.

Former---Bygones. We also used to have slaves. Get with the times my man.

HughBe--- Son it cannot be bygones. It shows the INTENT of the founders. One cannot intentionally or unintentionally misrepresent the ORIGINAL INTENT and it is acceptable.

On the matter of slavery is it part of the Constitution? Did the Constitution speak to the enslavement of whites and other races?

HughBe--- It must be otherwise the US would NOT mingle in the INTERNAL affairs of Uganda.

Former---Perhaps it is the pain meds talking from down there.

HughBe--- No dear, it is an observation of reality.

Former---What the hell are you talking about? Do you know?

HughBe--- I am talking about the HELLISH behaviour called homosexuality and its champion the US.

Former----Please educate me, with sources/links. Thank you in advance, my damaged friend.

HughBe---- My blind friend, it is my hope that you shall regain your sight before it is too late. Here is a start to recovering of your sight.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/us-send-sc ...
This is called human rights or civil rights.

Former---I would think as a person of shiny color you would appreciate the rights of minorities being protected and upheld.

HughBe--- Indeed I am a minority in INTELLIGENCE, CHARACTER and INTEGRITY but as a non-white person I am in the MAJORITY in the world and in Jamaica.

Former---Would you like a cross burned on your front lawn?

HughBe--- Which MONGREL could do that and get away with it?

Former---The US has a long history of pushing for human rights around the world.

HughBe--- I look forward to them pushing for the RIGHT to RELIGIOUS FREEDOM in all countries starting with their FRIENDS who they can talk with and influence.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70338 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe--- Naturally, I needed the sympathies as I have no other source to get it.

Joel---You have a loving family and a huge church congregation, right?

So, why rely on these unintelligent, sub-human types who post here for kindness ?

What do you mean by "kindness"?

Superficial politeness or polite inquiries about your health/well being?

If this is what you mean by kindness then you will always get fooled by the riff raff with who you keep arguing with over silly topics.....

HughBe--- It was sarcasm.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70339 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles---I get that your bible thumping precludes you from understanding that gay rights is an equality issue.
HughB--- Why are you anti-Moses and the Tanach, you non "bible thumping" religious person?
Why do you make assertions and accusations that make no sense?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70340 Mar 27, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You asserted a connection between pop Tantra and the Torah. I asked you elaborate.
Pop Tantra?

There's nothing like Pop Tantra.

There's right-handed (spiritual) Tantra and left-handed Tantra (sensual/negative) Tantra.

The negative aspect of Tantra and teachings of Torah are barbaric involving murder, blood sacrifice, threats, abuse, curses etc. Both are forms of sorcery. Nothing refined or spiritual or profound about left-handed Tantra and Torah.

Didn't you know this ordinary thing?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70341 Mar 27, 2014
Left-handed Tantra is called vaamachaari Tantra.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70342 Mar 27, 2014
The dynamic descent of the force of the higher consciousness from the planes that lie above the head has unsettled my nervous system as the descent is too powerful. I am finding it difficult to endure it. I am aglow and am experiencing many subtle phenomena with light, sound and heat being the manifestations. The force has descended all the way to the abdominal region and is vibrating my entire being/body. Need to assimilate the force. I am swaying. it's a powerful yogic experience. I can barely keep my eyes open as the force is causing my eyes to upturn like in deep trance. Bye. Later.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70343 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- My memory tells me that the substance in his blood should not have been at the level it was based on its half-life. It was a long time ago but that is what my memory tells me. I believe it was some preservative.
Former---There was a trail of his blood from the crime scene to his truck to his bedroom.
Guilty.
HughBe--- Intelligent of you. I take it that a trail of blood from point x via the road to your house miles away means that you are responsible for it.
More than likely.

I think nowadays, with cameras everywhere and advanced forensic science, it would be hard to get away with a crime. Maybe in Jamaica but not here.

So be careful when you drug Frijoles and drag him to church.

Have you ever been bitten by a snake while at church?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#70344 Mar 27, 2014
ADAM,

You have the intelligence level of a garbage cleaner. Expected.

I'll reply to your posts later.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70345 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
We have a lot of bible thumpers here, like you :))
HughBe--- There are not many like me anywhere on this planet.
This why we would like to meet you and visit with you.
HughBe wrote:
Former---Bygones. We also used to have slaves. Get with the times my man.
HughBe--- Son it cannot be bygones. It shows the INTENT of the founders. One cannot intentionally or unintentionally misrepresent the ORIGINAL INTENT and it is acceptable.
On the matter of slavery is it part of the Constitution? Did the Constitution speak to the enslavement of whites and other races?
“Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?”

&#8213; Robert Browning, Men and Women and Other Poems

In other words our ideals are often higher and better than our actions.

The intent of the founding fathers is spelled out - separation of church and state; all men are created equal.

Do not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good, my friend.
HughBe wrote:
This is called human rights or civil rights.
Former---I would think as a person of shiny color you would appreciate the rights of minorities being protected and upheld.
HughBe--- Indeed I am a minority in INTELLIGENCE, CHARACTER and INTEGRITY but as a non-white person I am in the MAJORITY in the world and in Jamaica.
So this means that you don't care about minorities? civil rights? human rights?

I would be surprised if you said yes.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70346 Mar 27, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Former---Would you like a cross burned on your front lawn?
HughBe--- Which MONGREL could do that and get away with it?
This was common practice in the southern US not all that many years ago (along with church burnings).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_burning

Done by a nice little club known as the KKK.

And similar harassment and intimidation of gays as well.

Is this ok with you?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70349 Mar 28, 2014
former res wrote:
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This why we would like to meet you and visit with you.
<quoted text>
“Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?”
&#8213; Robert Browning, Men and Women and Other Poems
In other words our ideals are often higher and better than our actions.
The intent of the founding fathers is spelled out - separation of church and state; all men are created equal.
Do not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good, my friend.
<quoted text>
So this means that you don't care about minorities? civil rights? human rights?
I would be surprised if you said yes.
What it is looking like is that Huggie, living (poorly) a heterosexual life, middle class, christian,(arguably) male and living in a country with a substantial black population, never really has experienced racism, class-ism, religious discrimination, or homophobia.

So he is oblivious. Lacks empathy.

If he was in the US and white he surely would be a follower of Rush Limbaugh or Michelle Bachman, and definitely a Republican. His position in life and world view is in synch.

The irony, of course, is that if he DID live in the US, AS IS, he would never be accepted within this wing, and likely they would chase his shiny tush away. Only so many Herman Cains allowed, and I doubt he would rise up to be a Clarence Thomas.

former res

Cheshire, CT

#70350 Mar 28, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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What it is looking like is that Huggie, living (poorly) a heterosexual life, middle class, christian,(arguably) male and living in a country with a substantial black population, never really has experienced racism, class-ism, religious discrimination, or homophobia.
So he is oblivious. Lacks empathy.
If he was in the US and white he surely would be a follower of Rush Limbaugh or Michelle Bachman, and definitely a Republican. His position in life and world view is in synch.
The irony, of course, is that if he DID live in the US, AS IS, he would never be accepted within this wing, and likely they would chase his shiny tush away. Only so many Herman Cains allowed, and I doubt he would rise up to be a Clarence Thomas.
Fair analysis.

The lack of empathy part is interesting and also disturbing. How some people seemingly cannot imagine having a certain problem or issue unless it already affects them directly. These are the same folks who live as though the world revolves around them..

And he clearly has the "follower" mentality. When asked why he is against gays, he says it's due to his religious beliefs or "God told me to think this" or some such. Maybe he feels that lets him off the hook somehow.

Definitely closer to a Herman Cain than a Clarence Thomas, agreed. But first he'd have to build a successful business and become a multi-millionaire. But he'd certainly be entertaining like Herman was.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70351 Mar 28, 2014
former res wrote:
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Fair analysis.
The lack of empathy part is interesting and also disturbing. How some people seemingly cannot imagine having a certain problem or issue unless it already affects them directly. These are the same folks who live as though the world revolves around them..
And he clearly has the "follower" mentality. When asked why he is against gays, he says it's due to his religious beliefs or "God told me to think this" or some such. Maybe he feels that lets him off the hook somehow.
Definitely closer to a Herman Cain than a Clarence Thomas, agreed. But first he'd have to build a successful business and become a multi-millionaire. But he'd certainly be entertaining like Herman was.
Though I think it is still a question of why, despite his lack of empathy, he partially dwells on American racial politics - his sympathy for OJ etc etc.

I'd imagine it comes from the SAME root of his persona that never misses an opportunity to knock Judaism - basically a hatred for all things American (or Jewish)- probably because our American tolerance is an existential threat to his identity and lifestyle, which of course involves superimposing his theocracy over everything.

Just speculating....

And of course, the more I think about it, he is more Cain than Thomas. Cain is an entertaining fellow. Thomas not. But both tools in the eyes of whitie.

I dont doubt Huggies ability to empire build - he is obviously diligent and intelligent in certain ways, though not self reflective.

HUGGIE - when you read this, please realize we are saving you vast sums of money that would normally go towards psychotherapy.

former res

Cheshire, CT

#70352 Mar 28, 2014
Yes, Huggy - please know that our incisive analysis and helpful observations come form a place of caring. If we didn't care, we wouldn't spend the time to discuss you, your attributes and your challenges.

We want you to succeed and only want all the best for you in every phase and domain of your life.

We would love for you to reach your full potential and self-actualize as we know you are capable of doing.

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