Letters: "Don't ask, don't tell" not ...

Letters: "Don't ask, don't tell" not about civil rights

There are 29 comments on the Monterey County Herald story from Dec 21, 2010, titled Letters: "Don't ask, don't tell" not about civil rights. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

Legislation repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy has turned the U.S. military into a new front for social and cultural experimentation.

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YGBSM

Seaside, CA

#1 Dec 21, 2010
Kathleen Manton makes very good points.

Diana Howell needs some clues.

Al Trudeau wrote a typical clueless Pebble Beach letter. For a lot of us, the Christmas spirit never showed up this year.

Since: Sep 10

Arden, NC

#2 Dec 21, 2010
Re: Larry Smith's letter; You are right on target. When I read the article the other day comparing DADT to the victories of the civil rights movement, I practically dropped my hot chocolate. There is not now, nor will there ever be a reasonable comparison between the two. Thanks for your insight.
In the Dark

Hollister, CA

#3 Dec 21, 2010
Mr. Smith, "gay" and "straight" are immutable. A person is born that way and will no more change that characteristic than he/she will change color or blood type.

And it's not just a behavior. Gays can be as sexual or nonsexual as any straight person can. As for "clos[ing] the sex act to the gift of life," that's what most sex is -- not for creating babies but for gratification. That's human sexuality. And when it's homosexual, it's no more "voluntary sexual actions" than for heterosexuals.

What is voluntary is keeping it to himself/herself. Anyone, gay or straight, can unduly expose his or her sexuality to others -- it doesn't take a homosexual to do that. Closing the military to gays unfairly assumes that gays are out of control and can't keep it to themselves.

Allowing gays into the military is not an endorsement of homosexual activity; it's a move of fairness toward individuals who are as perfectly capable of discipline and service as anyone else.
Marcia

Carmel, CA

#4 Dec 21, 2010

Ize Lost

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

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#5 Dec 21, 2010
In the Dark wrote:
What is voluntary is keeping it to himself/herself. Anyone, gay or straight, can unduly expose his or her sexuality to others -- it doesn't take a homosexual to do that. Closing the military to gays unfairly assumes that gays are out of control and can't keep it to themselves.
Why are there separate bathroom, showers and sleeping facilities for men and women? Who are they assuming would be "out of control" if it weren't so?
In the Dark

Hollister, CA

#7 Dec 21, 2010
Maybe the military is assuming the heterosexuals will get out of control. It's worth noting that this assumption has not seemed to deter the military from admitting the heterosexuals in the first place.

You have to admit that males and females have a lot more differences between them than gay and straight members of the same gender do. Hence the gender-separated facilities.

Ize Lost

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

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#8 Dec 21, 2010
In the Dark wrote:
Maybe the military is assuming the heterosexuals will get out of control. It's worth noting that this assumption has not seemed to deter the military from admitting the heterosexuals in the first place.
You have to admit that males and females have a lot more differences between them than gay and straight members of the same gender do. Hence the gender-separated facilities.
Being an ex-Navy man, it would have been a little disconcerting for heterosexuals to be showering alongside a fellow shipmate displaying his own towel rack. Now, that may be MY reaction if a heterosexual were standing next to a member of the OPPOSITE SEX. But, not another dude. Get my drift?
In the Dark

Hollister, CA

#9 Dec 21, 2010
Ize Lost wrote:
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Being an ex-Navy man, it would have been a little disconcerting for heterosexuals to be showering alongside a fellow shipmate displaying his own towel rack. Now, that may be MY reaction if a heterosexual were standing next to a member of the OPPOSITE SEX. But, not another dude. Get my drift?
It would be understandable if you found that disconcerting. And if it interfered with your group's cohesion, that guy might not belong there with you.

But are you certain that you've never showered with a gay man? The lack of a "towel rack" is no indication of heterosexuality. I'd bet that most straight men who regularly use a group shower, whether in the military or in some other setting like a public pool, have showered with gay men. There's usually no way of knowing, because there are few outward signs. And there's no threat involved, either.

This is analogous to the whole gays-in-the-military question. A few members with obvious homosexuality might show up, and the military will have its ways of dealing with unit cohesion, but many gays will be present who can separate their homosexuality from their military service, just as many straight members will put their heterosexuality aside and just be military.
something has to change

Salinas, CA

#10 Dec 21, 2010
quote:The repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" is not a civil rights breakthrough but a moral catastrophe foisted on the American public.

I do not agree!
What adult people do "in their bedroom" is none of my business = it does not bother me if gay or lesbians are part of our military that protects my freedom. I will THANK all of them, my gratitude
comes freely, not after I learn wether they are straight or gay.
I believe we should be more selective AND concerned about Gangbangers in our military.
"We" train them and they use it against our civilians or give the American military a bad reputation in other countries.
so no, I am NOT worried about gays in the military

Ize Lost

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

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#11 Dec 21, 2010
In the Dark wrote:
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It would be understandable if you found that disconcerting. And if it interfered with your group's cohesion, that guy might not belong there with you.
But are you certain that you've never showered with a gay man? The lack of a "towel rack" is no indication of heterosexuality. I'd bet that most straight men who regularly use a group shower, whether in the military or in some other setting like a public pool, have showered with gay men. There's usually no way of knowing, because there are few outward signs. And there's no threat involved, either.
This is analogous to the whole gays-in-the-military question. A few members with obvious homosexuality might show up, and the military will have its ways of dealing with unit cohesion, but many gays will be present who can separate their homosexuality from their military service, just as many straight members will put their heterosexuality aside and just be military.
Understood and accepted. I'm out of here because I do not want to appear homophobic. Just tossing around the objections to the idea. I could also imagine the possibility of the towel rack guy's fear of a blanket party if there ever was such a display. That's enough to keep the Johnson at bay.

&fe ature=related
John Galt Lives

Bellingham, WA

#12 Dec 21, 2010
Ize Lost wrote:
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Understood and accepted. I'm out of here because I do not want to appear homophobic. Just tossing around the objections to the idea. I could also imagine the possibility of the towel rack guy's fear of a blanket party if there ever was such a display. That's enough to keep the Johnson at bay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TCNqKrX1sx8XX&feature=rel ated
When i was in the service there were "blanket parties".
Steve

Seaside, CA

#13 Dec 21, 2010
Larry, Outstanding commentary. It has been awhile since I have read ANYTHING in this paper so well thought out, logical and considerate of opposite view point. Well said!
Steve

Seaside, CA

#14 Dec 21, 2010
Kathleen in Salinas, jeez,get a life and please stop your whining ! What others choose to do with their hard earned money is their choice, and maybe they have given twice as much to charity than you? You don't know do you?

Get off your high horse, Quit speculating and focus on yourself.
Brian Burleson

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#15 Dec 21, 2010
Great letter Mr. Smith. Obviously to some people, the truth hurts.

Ize Lost

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

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#16 Dec 22, 2010
John Galt Lives wrote:
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When i was in the service there were "blanket parties".
Same here. Only, it wasn't a bar of soap wrapped in a towel. It was a shoe/boot.
peterpun

Pacific Grove, CA

#17 Dec 22, 2010
All this conversation regarding "towel racks". How many of you are still in high school? Y'all sure as heck aren't grown adults exhibiting attitudes like that. Bunch of wet behind the ears children.

Ize Lost

“Quality is always an accident”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#18 Dec 22, 2010
peterpun wrote:
All this conversation regarding "towel racks". How many of you are still in high school? Y'all sure as heck aren't grown adults exhibiting attitudes like that. Bunch of wet behind the ears children.
Aw shucks, Grampy. You got us. Did you tell when you were asked? Did you enjoy the short arm inspection? Are you too old to serve on Jury Duty? Drive? What year is it?

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#19 Dec 22, 2010
This spam letter from the fictional "Larry Smith" appeared in at least two dozen newspapers all across the nation between Dec. 20-22, using the same name but with the hometown of the paper.

Best as I can tell, it's from a website called "catholic online" by a person calling himself "Deacon Keith Fournier."

There certainly is an "anti-gay agenda," and it manifests itself in spam scams like this one. Dozens of newspapers fell for it, including my hometown paper, The Sacramento Bee.
peterpun

Pacific Grove, CA

#20 Dec 22, 2010
Ize Lost wrote:
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Aw shucks, Grampy. You got us. Did you tell when you were asked? Did you enjoy the short arm inspection? Are you too old to serve on Jury Duty? Drive? What year is it?
Well, I was just wondering. I guess you just proved it.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#21 Dec 22, 2010
In the Dark wrote:
Mr. Smith, "gay" and "straight" are immutable. A person is born that way and will no more change that characteristic than he/she will change color or blood type.
And it's not just a behavior. Gays can be as sexual or nonsexual as any straight person can. As for "clos[ing] the sex act to the gift of life," that's what most sex is -- not for creating babies but for gratification. That's human sexuality. And when it's homosexual, it's no more "voluntary sexual actions" than for heterosexuals.
What is voluntary is keeping it to himself/herself. Anyone, gay or straight, can unduly expose his or her sexuality to others -- it doesn't take a homosexual to do that. Closing the military to gays unfairly assumes that gays are out of control and can't keep it to themselves.
Allowing gays into the military is not an endorsement of homosexual activity; it's a move of fairness toward individuals who are as perfectly capable of discipline and service as anyone else.
I agree.

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