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The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#1 Jun 7, 2011
This newspaper would not print my comments regarding the support of the child. I commented that the child should not suffer because of lack of support and this newspaper REFUSED to publish the comments. Read the article and contact this paper to give your comments but remember, the children should not suffer for lack of support. The VA can work something out but voice your opinion.

Mount Carmel veteran writes his own legislation for new compensation rules
Published: June 2, 2011

by justin strawser

MOUNT CARMEL - A disabled borough veteran has taken it upon himself to draft state legislation that would protect his rights and those of veterans like him from "illegal" court decisions regarding disability compensation.

Joseph Brodie, 31, of 136 W. Third St., Mount Carmel, has met with state Rep. Kurt Masser (D-107) and said the legislator was "very receptive and understanding of the need for changes to occur."

According to federal law, veteran disability compensation cannot be used for alimony or child support, but many county judges violate this either out of ignorance or disregard, said Brodie.

"Everybody puts the ribbons on the cars and fly their flags. It's not the people who aren't supporting the troops, it's the government," he said. "I'm being spat on by the state."

He said Northumberland County court recently ruled that 55 percent of his income should go to child support. A Schuylkill County judge ruled the other 45 percent go to his second child.

"I was left with nothing," he said.

Suicide rate up

Brodie, who has been outspoken on this and other issues facing veterans, undergoes occupational therapy for physiological tremors from brain injuries he sustained in Iraq. He served two tours in Iraq from 1998 to 2000 in the Marine Crops and 2002 to 2003 in the Army before being honorably discharged.

Financial problems combined with post-war injuries and conditions have caused an increase in suicides by veterans. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs released data last year that showed an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each day.

Brodie has already lost three veteran friends to suicide, and said they deserved better treatment.

If the documents created by Brodie move forward, he said it would prevent economic hardships and homelessness, contributing factors to the suicide rate, he said.

Call legislators

As for his meeting with Masser, which took place on Friday just before the Memorial Day weekend, Brodie said, "It was a really good meeting and I left there feeling positive."

He said he's not had the same reception in trying to arrange a meeting with U.S. Rep. Tom Marino, R-10.

Brodie encourages those who support veterans to pick up their phones and call state and federal legislators in order to send a clear message.

"It's like a slap in the face. I'm not going to stop until this stops," he said.

Masser confirmed this meeting took place, but said it was too early in the process for him to comment.

"I'm going to be looking into it," he said.
Jim

United States

#2 Jun 7, 2011
The VA should cover reasonable child support payments for our fallen vets. Just read an article noting that being in close proximity to a bomb blast can actually "rewire" a person's brain. Vets to this day aren't getting enough post traumatic support. This is just more of the same.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#3 Jun 7, 2011
I agree the VA should be reasonable about this and I am sure they will be. The wife can do without the alimony. Why pay the wife and the kids. The kids are the priority here. Let's see the VA make a decision about the wife alimony.
yeppers

United States

#4 Jun 7, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
I agree the VA should be reasonable about this and I am sure they will be. The wife can do without the alimony. Why pay the wife and the kids. The kids are the priority here. Let's see the VA make a decision about the wife alimony.
Agreed. Alimony should be eliminated. Sometimes shit happens. Hitting up a disabled war vet for supporting a woman who can get a job, or find another man to support her is unconscionable. Women who don't like it, think about it before marrying a veteran during a war effort. When you do, all bets are off.
Thinker

Alhambra, CA

#5 Jun 7, 2011
All men, disabled or not, have to take responsibity for their kids. The solution is that the disabled guy has to pay over a max 25 percent of his disability check.
think harder

United States

#6 Jun 7, 2011
Thinker wrote:
All men, disabled or not, have to take responsibity for their kids. The solution is that the disabled guy has to pay over a max 25 percent of his disability check.
Tell that to the illegal immigrants having kids they can't afford who get food stamps. Then tell the majority of black kids with no fathers paying no child support who are supported by our welfare system, then the prison system. After you get that straightened out, you can start fixing the problems of disabled veterans who put their lives and bodies on the line, for cheap pay, for this country.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#7 Jun 9, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
This newspaper would not print my comments regarding the support of the child. I commented that the child should not suffer because of lack of support and this newspaper REFUSED to publish the comments. Read the article and contact this paper to give your comments but remember, the children should not suffer for lack of support. The VA can work something out but voice your opinion.
Mount Carmel veteran writes his own legislation for new compensation rules
Published: June 2, 2011
by justin strawser
MOUNT CARMEL - A disabled borough veteran has taken it upon himself to draft state legislation that would protect his rights and those of veterans like him from "illegal" court decisions regarding disability compensation.
Joseph Brodie, 31, of 136 W. Third St., Mount Carmel, has met with state Rep. Kurt Masser (D-107) and said the legislator was "very receptive and understanding of the need for changes to occur."
According to federal law, veteran disability compensation cannot be used for alimony or child support, but many county judges violate this either out of ignorance or disregard, said Brodie.
"Everybody puts the ribbons on the cars and fly their flags. It's not the people who aren't supporting the troops, it's the government," he said. "I'm being spat on by the state."
He said Northumberland County court recently ruled that 55 percent of his income should go to child support. A Schuylkill County judge ruled the other 45 percent go to his second child.
"I was left with nothing," he said.
Suicide rate up
Brodie, who has been outspoken on this and other issues facing veterans, undergoes occupational therapy for physiological tremors from brain injuries he sustained in Iraq. He served two tours in Iraq from 1998 to 2000 in the Marine Crops and 2002 to 2003 in the Army before being honorably discharged.
Financial problems combined with post-war injuries and conditions have caused an increase in suicides by veterans. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs released data last year that showed an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each day.
Brodie has already lost three veteran friends to suicide, and said they deserved better treatment.
If the documents created by Brodie move forward, he said it would prevent economic hardships and homelessness, contributing factors to the suicide rate, he said.
Call legislators
As for his meeting with Masser, which took place on Friday just before the Memorial Day weekend, Brodie said, "It was a really good meeting and I left there feeling positive."
He said he's not had the same reception in trying to arrange a meeting with U.S. Rep. Tom Marino, R-10.
Brodie encourages those who support veterans to pick up their phones and call state and federal legislators in order to send a clear message.
"It's like a slap in the face. I'm not going to stop until this stops," he said.
Masser confirmed this meeting took place, but said it was too early in the process for him to comment.
"I'm going to be looking into it," he said.
UPDATE...
This newspaper CLOSED any future comments on this article. I hope they had enough comments to worry about. Please keep this article alive.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#8 Jun 9, 2011
UPDATE...
This newspaper has now closed all sessions to this article. There were no other comments printed except for my comment that stated...'lets see what other veterans think about this' and suddenly the comments sections are now closed.
The Mad Man wrote:
This newspaper would not print my comments regarding the support of the child. I commented that the child should not suffer because of lack of support and this newspaper REFUSED to publish the comments. Read the article and contact this paper to give your comments but remember, the children should not suffer for lack of support. The VA can work something out but voice your opinion.
Mount Carmel veteran writes his own legislation for new compensation rules
Published: June 2, 2011
by justin strawser
MOUNT CARMEL - A disabled borough veteran has taken it upon himself to draft state legislation that would protect his rights and those of veterans like him from "illegal" court decisions regarding disability compensation.
Joseph Brodie, 31, of 136 W. Third St., Mount Carmel, has met with state Rep. Kurt Masser (D-107) and said the legislator was "very receptive and understanding of the need for changes to occur."
According to federal law, veteran disability compensation cannot be used for alimony or child support, but many county judges violate this either out of ignorance or disregard, said Brodie.
"Everybody puts the ribbons on the cars and fly their flags. It's not the people who aren't supporting the troops, it's the government," he said. "I'm being spat on by the state."
He said Northumberland County court recently ruled that 55 percent of his income should go to child support. A Schuylkill County judge ruled the other 45 percent go to his second child.
"I was left with nothing," he said.
Suicide rate up
Brodie, who has been outspoken on this and other issues facing veterans, undergoes occupational therapy for physiological tremors from brain injuries he sustained in Iraq. He served two tours in Iraq from 1998 to 2000 in the Marine Crops and 2002 to 2003 in the Army before being honorably discharged.
Financial problems combined with post-war injuries and conditions have caused an increase in suicides by veterans. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs released data last year that showed an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each day.
Brodie has already lost three veteran friends to suicide, and said they deserved better treatment.
If the documents created by Brodie move forward, he said it would prevent economic hardships and homelessness, contributing factors to the suicide rate, he said.
Call legislators
As for his meeting with Masser, which took place on Friday just before the Memorial Day weekend, Brodie said, "It was a really good meeting and I left there feeling positive."
He said he's not had the same reception in trying to arrange a meeting with U.S. Rep. Tom Marino, R-10.
Brodie encourages those who support veterans to pick up their phones and call state and federal legislators in order to send a clear message.
"It's like a slap in the face. I'm not going to stop until this stops," he said.
Masser confirmed this meeting took place, but said it was too early in the process for him to comment.
"I'm going to be looking into it," he said.
Seth Adams

Bellflower, CA

#9 Jun 9, 2011
think harder wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell that to the illegal immigrants having kids they can't afford who get food stamps. Then tell the majority of black kids with no fathers paying no child support who are supported by our welfare system, then the prison system. After you get that straightened out, you can start fixing the problems of disabled veterans who put their lives and bodies on the line, for cheap pay, for this country.
Amen Bro! Squandering billions on services for Illegals while letting the illegal infestation destroy our schools ability to teach our own children defines today's Americans as the Scum of the Earth.

Our patriotic Vets' deserve EVERYTHING we can do for them.
The Long Knives

South Gate, CA

#10 Jun 10, 2011
Can anyone cite me to the federal law that says vets' disability pay cannot be used for spousal or child support. Seems odd that a state judge would issue orders contrary to federal law.

Family law is based on equity. Perhaps if the state judge was convinced that this guy could still work to a limited extent and earn more money on top of his disability check, the judge could still order the guy to pay support every month.

An example of this often comes up when high-paid men are in the middle of a divorce, then they suddenly quit their high-paid job and take a low-paid job. The judge can find that you are capable of earning $200,000 a year and will order support based on that number, even if you are working as a bartender and only making $24,000 a year.
The Long Knives

United States

#11 Jun 10, 2011
I googled a couple of news stories on this guy. He last served in Iraq in 2003 but his two children were conceived long afterwards, they are age 5 and 7 months. The family law judge may be thinking, "If you're healthy enough to f*** then you're healthy enough to pay child support."

The man says he has post traumatic stress disorder which is now the subject of much debate on how to properly diagnose and treat it, and at the same time not allow vets to game the system. The man is also deaf in one ear and has hand tremors. Again, I can see a family law judge using his equitable powers and saying, OK this guy has some physical and maybe mental problems and he's getting $1100 a month in disability benefits, but he still needs to earn some more money and pay child support.

PTSD can be a real mental disorder, but it also can be abused. That's why you see some Vietnam era vets, who are now in their 60s, saying oh yeah I'm having nightmares and flashbacks about 'Nam, give me a mental disability paycheck every month to top off my retirement benefits.

My proposal: For all veterans, young and old, who claim PTSD, give them unlimited inpatient treatment in mental hospitals. But no monthly checks. That is the fair way to provide treatment to people who really need it, but will weed out those who see a chance for an entitlement check every month.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#12 Jun 10, 2011
The Long Knives wrote:
I googled a couple of news stories on this guy. He last served in Iraq in 2003 but his two children were conceived long afterwards, they are age 5 and 7 months. The family law judge may be thinking, "If you're healthy enough to f*** then you're healthy enough to pay child support."
The man says he has post traumatic stress disorder which is now the subject of much debate on how to properly diagnose and treat it, and at the same time not allow vets to game the system. The man is also deaf in one ear and has hand tremors. Again, I can see a family law judge using his equitable powers and saying, OK this guy has some physical and maybe mental problems and he's getting $1100 a month in disability benefits, but he still needs to earn some more money and pay child support.
PTSD can be a real mental disorder, but it also can be abused. That's why you see some Vietnam era vets, who are now in their 60s, saying oh yeah I'm having nightmares and flashbacks about 'Nam, give me a mental disability paycheck every month to top off my retirement benefits.
My proposal: For all veterans, young and old, who claim PTSD, give them unlimited inpatient treatment in mental hospitals. But no monthly checks. That is the fair way to provide treatment to people who really need it, but will weed out those who see a chance for an entitlement check every month.
This PTSD is debatable but COULD be real for some vets. How long do you have to have treatment before you stop seeing signs of war is one issue? Life does go on and SOMETIMES the memories fade when they are replaced with new and good memories, so sooner or later this has to stop.
I get around the same money as this guy but not from the VA. I am eligible for programs to help me with living expenses but I still live within my budget and I have NO KIDS to support. Still, I make ends meet with a tight budget. I get minimal treatment at the VA, because there is nothing more they can do for my disability but I still have to pay the pharmacy bill. If I don't, the government zaps my paycheck. I work out a payment plan that stays within my budget and maybe I should claim PTSD for the horrors of what I can't afford BUT I am not that stupid, so I will move on with my better memories and live life as best as I can.
I agree with the judges decision, YOU MADE THE KIDS, NOW PAY FOR IT and the is the only PTSD symptom I see here.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#13 Jun 10, 2011
The Long Knives wrote:
Can anyone cite me to the federal law that says vets' disability pay cannot be used for spousal or child support. Seems odd that a state judge would issue orders contrary to federal law.
Family law is based on equity. Perhaps if the state judge was convinced that this guy could still work to a limited extent and earn more money on top of his disability check, the judge could still order the guy to pay support every month.
An example of this often comes up when high-paid men are in the middle of a divorce, then they suddenly quit their high-paid job and take a low-paid job. The judge can find that you are capable of earning $200,000 a year and will order support based on that number, even if you are working as a bartender and only making $24,000 a year.
'Can anyone cite me to the federal law that says vets' disability pay cannot be used for spousal or child support.' I have done work for a paralegal in the past and I will check into this but I think you are correct in your statement. You make some very good points here and it shows how people (including women) try and get away from 'child support'. The child should not suffer for the mistakes of a consenting and employable parent. I know from legal papers that I have typed, child support is a hot issue with the court and MOST judges will order the support to be paid ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, even if you have to collect cans for recycling. Bravo to the courts for this.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#14 Jun 10, 2011
The Long Knives wrote:
I googled a couple of news stories on this guy. He last served in Iraq in 2003 but his two children were conceived long afterwards, they are age 5 and 7 months. The family law judge may be thinking, "If you're healthy enough to f*** then you're healthy enough to pay child support."
The man says he has post traumatic stress disorder which is now the subject of much debate on how to properly diagnose and treat it, and at the same time not allow vets to game the system. The man is also deaf in one ear and has hand tremors. Again, I can see a family law judge using his equitable powers and saying, OK this guy has some physical and maybe mental problems and he's getting $1100 a month in disability benefits, but he still needs to earn some more money and pay child support.
PTSD can be a real mental disorder, but it also can be abused. That's why you see some Vietnam era vets, who are now in their 60s, saying oh yeah I'm having nightmares and flashbacks about 'Nam, give me a mental disability paycheck every month to top off my retirement benefits.
My proposal: For all veterans, young and old, who claim PTSD, give them unlimited inpatient treatment in mental hospitals. But no monthly checks. That is the fair way to provide treatment to people who really need it, but will weed out those who see a chance for an entitlement check every month.
TO: The Long Knives
I quoted your insightful information at the veterans affairs forum, to make more veterans aware, that child support is a need for the child, not the PTSD condition of the veteran. THANK YOU!
The Mad Man
question

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Jun 10, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
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TO: The Long Knives
I quoted your insightful information at the veterans affairs forum, to make more veterans aware, that child support is a need for the child, not the PTSD condition of the veteran. THANK YOU!
The Mad Man
Mad Man, what arm of the military did you serve in, and in what war?
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#16 Jun 10, 2011
question wrote:
<quoted text>
Mad Man, what arm of the military did you serve in, and in what war?
(Viet Nam Era) I served in the Navy aboard two ships. My first tour I was stationed out of Charleston, South Carolina. We covered the Mediterranean area and I saw some action off the coastline of Russia. My second tour in 1979 was out of San Diego with a WestPac tour. These were considered 'peacetime' missions although both my ships went through continued missile upgrades and armament, and maneuvers. Sadly, both my ship were outdated, decommissioned and used as target practice.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#17 Jun 10, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
(Viet Nam Era) I served in the Navy aboard two ships. My first tour I was stationed out of Charleston, South Carolina. We covered the Mediterranean area and I saw some action off the coastline of Russia. My second tour in 1979 was out of San Diego with a WestPac tour. These were considered 'peacetime' missions although both my ships went through continued missile upgrades and armament, and maneuvers. Sadly, both my ship were outdated, decommissioned and used as target practice.
Sadly, I cannot remember much of my military days and keep in touch with a Navy buddy who was on one of my ships and tells me what we did back then. I have damage to one of my ears when and ASROC was deployed and I was too close.(I was in an unauthorized space) I lost all the pictures I had of my military days due to fire. This post is not about my life so let me move on to the topic at hand.
The Long Knives

United States

#18 Jun 11, 2011
If you google "veterans disability benefits" and "alimony" and "child support" you will be directed to the website of a law firm specializing in disability rights. There is a link to an article explaining the situations when a judge can order disability payments be apportioned for payment of child and spousal support, with citations to the social security act and the code of federal regulations. The law firm article says the short answer is yes, a judge can order a portion of disability payments to go to spousal and child support.
The Mad Man

Glendale, CA

#19 Jun 11, 2011
The Long Knives wrote:
If you google "veterans disability benefits" and "alimony" and "child support" you will be directed to the website of a law firm specializing in disability rights. There is a link to an article explaining the situations when a judge can order disability payments be apportioned for payment of child and spousal support, with citations to the social security act and the code of federal regulations. The law firm article says the short answer is yes, a judge can order a portion of disability payments to go to spousal and child support.
Thank you. I knew there was something on the books.
I would like to be fair

Gloversville, NY

#20 Aug 1, 2011
Can someone give me some advice....I have not been able to get support for my kids their dad is a disabled Vietnam veteran. He is 100 percent permanent and total do to ptsd. I have tried to get him to pay without going thru the courts. I am able to work and do at one point I was working 3 jobs at once to support these kids. I do not receive welfare I am barely scraping ends with 4 kids. This veteran constantly neglects to pay I have tried to get him into a court room and he can never be located to be served. I don't want alimony I just want child support and I don't even want the full shot which I have been told is upwards of 1500 a month. I would gladly settle for a faithful $800 a month. I have gone to the VA trying to get just what he receives for the kids and have been unable to. Somebody please help me. This month In even went to work with walking pnemonia just to make sure bills got paid.

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