Nevada Crackpot
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fubar

Corona, CA

#1 Apr 22, 2014
Nevadans crackpot has illegally grazed his cattle on Federal land for twenty years and is now creating a huge problem because he doesn't want to obey the law. He claims he doesn't recognize the government of the United States of America and yet he flies OUR flag in his videos. Sean Hannity has made a living off telling people you have to obey ALL the laws ,and not just the ones you like. Hannity sings a different tune on this, revealing himself as the hypocrite most people know him to be. All those "Thugs" defending this guy, who is technically stealing from our country, reveal themselves to be traitors. So much for the rule of law.
Lucy

La Porte, TX

#2 Apr 23, 2014
I bet he takes any subsidies offered. I bet he takes the water the government pumps in. You can't pick and choose the laws you want to obey.

“Trying to bring some sanity ”

Since: Apr 14

La Porte

#3 Apr 23, 2014
Couldn't agree more with both of y'all

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#4 Apr 23, 2014
Do you all realize how much money the government spent "enforcing the law"?

Really... This is all about the oil and gas leases in the area.

They want to frack the area.

This is not about the tortoises.

This is not about restoring habitat.

This is not about protecting the public.

This is about people willing to spend $10,000,000 in tax money for every $1,000,000 they make on a back end deal.
Texan

Wichita, KS

#5 Apr 23, 2014
Ranchers have been grazing cattle on government land since the 1800's, now the government wants to get paid for it. Ranchers have been good custodians of those western lands for over 100 years. You can't say the same for the oil and gas companies, they take the oil and gas pollute the land. Then they take their money and leave with out so much as a thought about what they have done to the land. As much as I hate to agree with Fed; this isn't about tortoises, habitat, or protecting anything or anyone, IT'S ABOUT OIL AND GAS MONEY!
Same Issues

La Porte, TX

#6 Apr 23, 2014
Apparently there is interest in solar energy on that land as well.
fubar

Corona, CA

#7 Apr 23, 2014
Texan wrote:
Ranchers have been grazing cattle on government land since the 1800's, now the government wants to get paid for it. Ranchers have been good custodians of those western lands for over 100 years. You can't say the same for the oil and gas companies, they take the oil and gas pollute the land. Then they take their money and leave with out so much as a thought about what they have done to the land. As much as I hate to agree with Fed; this isn't about tortoises, habitat, or protecting anything or anyone, IT'S ABOUT OIL AND GAS MONEY!
The guy has had over twenty years to move his cattle. He claims he doesn't recognize the United States of America, he can starve for all I care. Ranchers can graze on Federal land until that privilege is revoked. It's not his land and not our fault that he is unable to make money by using land he doesn't own. It is not fair to ranchers who pay the taxes on their land and the expenses involved with maintaining their land. I am not a fan of the oil and gas industries stewardship either. If they are going to drill, cows can't stop them.

If these guys hate our country they can leave.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#8 Apr 24, 2014
Texan wrote:
Ranchers have been grazing cattle on government land since the 1800's, now the government wants to get paid for it. Ranchers have been good custodians of those western lands for over 100 years. You can't say the same for the oil and gas companies, they take the oil and gas pollute the land. Then they take their money and leave with out so much as a thought about what they have done to the land. As much as I hate to agree with Fed; this isn't about tortoises, habitat, or protecting anything or anyone, IT'S ABOUT OIL AND GAS MONEY!
The oil companies pay massive millions of dollars for the right to drill on the property. The government requires a royalty be paid for the extraction of mineral from federally held lands (usually 18-20% of the gross revenues). In addition, the driller must pay for the damages to the site and the site must be restored to it's "Natural State" after drilling operations have ceased. All of the cost of drilling and completion is born by the driller.

You, again, show that you have done not one minute of inquiry into the subject you are so passionately ranting about.
Texan

Wichita, KS

#9 Apr 24, 2014
And you actually believe that crap don't you Elaine. Have you ever been out in western Texas or Oklahoma and seen the abandoned and rusted oil rigs? Of course you haven't! I have. So tell me again how I have done no inquiry. Should I believe what the government and the oil companies tell me or my lieing eyes? You maam are an idiot.

Since: Jan 09

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#10 Apr 24, 2014
Elaine wrote:
<quoted text>The oil companies pay massive millions of dollars for the right to drill on the property. The government requires a royalty be paid for the extraction of mineral from federally held lands (usually 18-20% of the gross revenues). In addition, the driller must pay for the damages to the site and the site must be restored to it's "Natural State" after drilling operations have ceased. All of the cost of drilling and completion is born by the driller.

You, again, show that you have done not one minute of inquiry into the subject you are so passionately ranting about.
Oil companies don't pay a damn thing, Elaine.

It's just another hidden tax that is passed on to the consumer.

That's a pretty good joke too, retuning things to their "natural state".
Texan

Wichita, KS

#11 Apr 24, 2014
There are a lot of us who love The U.S. but have a hard time recognizing it now days. The BLM is just another bunch telling folks what to do. That mans family has been grazing that land for over 100 years, paying their fees and looking after the land. Suddenly the cows and tortoises can't co-exist! Bulls--t! They both did just fine for over 100 years, what happened? I would imagine the energy companies are what happened. I suppose the oil and gas companies pollute less than cattle, and those windmills never kill eagles, hawks, or migratory birds. Like I said BS! If you think the government cares about the American people, or the land, you aren't just too bright.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#12 Apr 24, 2014
(sigh)

Yes. I've been to East Texas, West Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Louisiana, California, New Mexico, Old Mexico, Dubai, Abu dhabi, Canada, Indonesia, and I have seen them for myself, up close and personal for the last 40 years. Just because you saw a field that was developed 50 years ago before the current regs were laws, through the windshield of your minivan, doesn't make you an expert.

Texan, you are an angry old man, beaten in life. You hate everything that you can't have. Money? They stole it. Politics? They're all criminals. Nice home? Waste of money. You are waving your shotgun at the world yelling "Git offa my lawn!" via the Internet.
fubar

San Jose, CA

#13 Apr 24, 2014
The man gas not been paying his grazing fees for over twenty years and has four judgements against him. His response was send messages that he and his wife are armed and willing to do what ever they have to do. Texan I am sure you pay your own way as a man of integrity, that I think you are. Why shouldn't this guy. It is not his land. Elaine ,the land is hardly ever restored to the way it was, especially when they frack,the chemicals they pump in the ground stay in the ground. There is a reason the Bush administration exempted the cracking industry from the clean water act , among others.

Since: Jan 09

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#14 Apr 24, 2014
fubar wrote:
The man gas not been paying his grazing fees for over twenty years and has four judgements against him. His response was send messages that he and his wife are armed and willing to do what ever they have to do. Texan I am sure you pay your own way as a man of integrity, that I think you are. Why shouldn't this guy. It is not his land. Elaine ,the land is hardly ever restored to the way it was, especially when they frack,the chemicals they pump in the ground stay in the ground. There is a reason the Bush administration exempted the cracking industry from the clean water act , among others.
Well... you don't sound too much like you know what you want to do.

You argue against Bundy... then you lambast the oil and gas industry.

This isn't about Bundy not paying his fees... they have spent lots more trying to get him out of there than they ever would have made off of him.

This is all about the. "Good old boys".
Lucy

La Porte, TX

#15 Apr 24, 2014
So what do you think of the old white man now after his rant about blacks being better off as slaves

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#16 Apr 24, 2014
Lucy wrote:
So what do you think of the old white man now after his rant about blacks being better off as slaves
He's an old white man that has lived a secluded life... don't let his personal opinions worry you too much.

Does it make him less worthy of your support?
Elaine

Houston, TX

#17 Apr 24, 2014
Lucy wrote:
So what do you think of the old white man now after his rant about blacks being better off as slaves
It's a socially unacceptable point of view. But it's not necessarily untrue. Descendants of slaves are now slaves to the government, trapped in an endless cycle of dependance. That's an unpleasant fact.

Don't condemn the man for not being eloquent. Hes just a farmer. The press loves to embarrass Bundy, Phil Robinson and the like because the public love to laugh at old, hard working white men. They aren't a politically protected ethnic group like blacks, Latin Americans and LGBT.
fubar

Corona, CA

#18 Apr 25, 2014
Heavy Fed wrote:
<quoted text>
He's an old white man that has lived a secluded life... don't let his personal opinions worry you too much.
Does it make him less worthy of your support?
Actually it does. He claims he doesn't recognize the U.S.A. and yet he doesn't mind grazing his cattle for FREE on the Good old U.S. of A.'s land. If he paid his grazing fees he might garner a little sympathy from me, but he hasn't for twenty years. If you don't like OUR country and you steal from it too, lock his ass up or confiscate his cattle. If they put up a fight send them to Guantanamo.

Fed, this guy is a bum and I am not a fan of the oil industry, I don't have to choose between them. By the way, is there even any oil there? Life is not black and white, and God gave us the ability to reason and see the many shades of grey out there. I know that people dislike the fact that I can see more than one side of an issue, but I consider it a blessing.
fubar

Corona, CA

#19 Apr 25, 2014
Lucy wrote:
So what do you think of the old white man now after his rant about blacks being better off as slaves
The remarks attributed to Clive Bundy are dis gusting. His remarks about Blacks, slavery and cotton should make any decent human being sick. His comments on blacks getting subsidies(sp) from the government prove what a hypocrite this scumbag is. He grazed his cattle on OUR country's land for free,even when he paid his fees over twenty years ago, he was grazing them at a subsidised rate. He is a moocher and a freeloader and hopefully the IRS will get him for not paying taxes on the value of what he should have paid in fees.

Since: Jan 09

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#20 Apr 25, 2014
fubar wrote:
<quoted text>Actually it does. He claims he doesn't recognize the U.S.A. and yet he doesn't mind grazing his cattle for FREE on the Good old U.S. of A.'s land. If he paid his grazing fees he might garner a little sympathy from me, but he hasn't for twenty years. If you don't like OUR country and you steal from it too, lock his ass up or confiscate his cattle. If they put up a fight send them to Guantanamo.

Fed, this guy is a bum and I am not a fan of the oil industry, I don't have to choose between them. By the way, is there even any oil there? Life is not black and white, and God gave us the ability to reason and see the many shades of grey out there. I know that people dislike the fact that I can see more than one side of an issue, but I consider it a blessing.
He's a bum? I bet he does more work in a day than you or I do in a week.

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