Downtown Mall Panhandling Suit Reinstated

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notagain

Charlottesville, VA

#143 Feb 26, 2013
Their altruism, such as it is, is simply misdirected. Funny how some people have so much time to shove their opinions down others throats using a thesaurus and a hurricane of posts and retorts.
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#144 Feb 26, 2013
notagain wrote:
Their altruism, such as it is, is simply misdirected. Funny how some people have so much time to shove their opinions down others throats using a thesaurus and a hurricane of posts and retorts.
Ironically, that is your opinion, and is what you're doing.(Except you're not using "big" words that anyone who has passed eighth grade should know.)
cvillemom

Charlottesville, VA

#145 Feb 26, 2013
No, I don't want them to just "go away", relocate someplace else, and become someone else's problem.

The problem is that our society has enabled them for far too long. We have dumped tons of money into all sorts of social programs that make it easy, nah, desirable, to stay on the streets - soup kitchens, shelters, free health clinics, cell phones, etc. The truly disabled, aged and infirm deserve our help and I have no problem with that. But these able-bodied bums, whose only "disability" is that they like to drink and/or do drugs, who want to live unencumbered and not have to contend with an alarm clock that wakes them each day to head to a mundane job, do not qualify for assistance, IMHO. Support them as long as they are actively seeking to end their addictions, developing job skills, looking for work, and conform to society- give them a hand up to a better life. But do not give them handouts. Their basic needs can be met through existing social programs; allowing them to panhandle for money that they use for booze and drugs is not helping them in the long run. It only perpetuates the problem.
Dude

Marshall, VA

#146 Feb 27, 2013
cvillemom wrote:
No, I don't want them to just "go away", relocate someplace else, and become someone else's problem.
The problem is that our society has enabled them for far too long. We have dumped tons of money into all sorts of social programs that make it easy, nah, desirable, to stay on the streets - soup kitchens, shelters, free health clinics, cell phones, etc. The truly disabled, aged and infirm deserve our help and I have no problem with that. But these able-bodied bums, whose only "disability" is that they like to drink and/or do drugs, who want to live unencumbered and not have to contend with an alarm clock that wakes them each day to head to a mundane job, do not qualify for assistance, IMHO. Support them as long as they are actively seeking to end their addictions, developing job skills, looking for work, and conform to society- give them a hand up to a better life. But do not give them handouts. Their basic needs can be met through existing social programs; allowing them to panhandle for money that they use for booze and drugs is not helping them in the long run. It only perpetuates the problem.
so you don't see the existing social programs as enablers?
sez you

Richmond, VA

#147 Feb 27, 2013
When the other shoe falls, begging on the mall will be the least of our problems. Like prostitutes, they'll be fighting over the best street corners.
What nut

Charlottesville, VA

#148 Feb 28, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>so you don't see the existing social programs as enablers?
Of course they are enablers because there is no oversight. Without the proper oversight the system is corrupted. How is it that there are families in Charlottesville in their second decade of assisted pay housing? I am all for help in need but not for help in perpetuity. You fail to acknowledge that many of these homeless that ask for money do so because they won't stay at the Salvation Army and give up drinking.
Dude

Warrenton, VA

#149 Mar 1, 2013
What nut wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course they are enablers because there is no oversight. Without the proper oversight the system is corrupted. How is it that there are families in Charlottesville in their second decade of assisted pay housing? I am all for help in need but not for help in perpetuity. You fail to acknowledge that many of these homeless that ask for money do so because they won't stay at the Salvation Army and give up drinking.
Sinceyou imsist hat we move away from the defense of the charitable, you assume that the condition and functionality of each individual is static. It is unlikely that all or even most choose to be indigent, those that do can not possibly be in their right minds.

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