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New 3-D Model of the Route 29 Western Bypass - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and We...

There are 16 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Sep 25, 2012, titled New 3-D Model of the Route 29 Western Bypass - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and We.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Black and white pictures of what the Western Bypass will look like are a thing of the past.

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City Resident

Winchester, VA

#1 Sep 25, 2012
It's a shame the model doesn't show you the 11 percent grade northbound traffic coming onto the southern end of the bypass has to climb. The new version also adds 2 stop lights that northbound traffic have to go through now. 11 percent grade is steeper than the hill on High Street across from the county office building. This bypass plan sacrifices desired flow of traffic for a slim pricetag. Lets make sure we get our monies worth if we have to build this thing.
Pedaleur

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Sep 25, 2012
Wait. So to get on the western bypass from the 250 bypass, you have to exit, come to a stop light, and then turn left?

And why no intersection with Earlysville Rd.?

If we're going to build the darned thing, why not make it useful?
native

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Sep 25, 2012
Orginally there was an interchange at Earlysville Road, but all the opponents took it out years ago. Just like they are still fighting it over 20 years later. Now saying it is out of date. Really?!! We should be building phase 2 now.
sure

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Sep 25, 2012
native wrote:
Orginally there was an interchange at Earlysville Road, but all the opponents took it out years ago. Just like they are still fighting it over 20 years later. Now saying it is out of date. Really?!! We should be building phase 2 now.
You only have to look at the recently re-designed Emmett Street/JPA intersection to project how stupidly this will be in the end if the county or city have any input.....
Gnu

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Sep 25, 2012
City Resident wrote:
It's a shame the model doesn't show you the 11 percent grade northbound traffic coming onto the southern end of the bypass has to climb. The new version also adds 2 stop lights that northbound traffic have to go through now. 11 percent grade is steeper than the hill on High Street across from the county office building. This bypass plan sacrifices desired flow of traffic for a slim pricetag. Lets make sure we get our monies worth if we have to build this thing.
Not to worry...they're also building a runaway vehicle ramp near the bottom.
nicknameoscar

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Sep 25, 2012
Pedaleur wrote:
Wait. So to get on the western bypass from the 250 bypass, you have to exit, come to a stop light, and then turn left?
And why no intersection with Earlysville Rd.?
If we're going to build the darned thing, why not make it useful?
It is called a bypass so why make it intersect with more roads. You would end up with nothing better than all the stoplights we have now on 29. So I guess the next argument will be that they should add overpasses and ramps at Earlysville Road and others. You can pay the extra tens of millions for that option, I want no part of it. The whole idea of the 29 bypass was to get the non local traffic off the present 29 (not that the present bypass plan does the best job of that - in my opinion).
Pedaleur

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Sep 25, 2012
nicknameoscar wrote:
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It is called a bypass so why make it intersect with more roads. You would end up with nothing better than all the stoplights we have now on 29. So I guess the next argument will be that they should add overpasses and ramps at Earlysville Road and others. You can pay the extra tens of millions for that option, I want no part of it. The whole idea of the 29 bypass was to get the non local traffic off the present 29 (not that the present bypass plan does the best job of that - in my opinion).
They _already_ have to build the overpass; adding ramps isn't too much more.

But to answer the question you begged: infrastructure improvements should be designed to maximize their usefulness (for the most part), not to fit some arbitrary label.
driver

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Sep 25, 2012
seems like a couple traffic circles could replace the added lights they'd put up at the leonard sandridge interchange. that pretzle at the northern end looks scary, and having it dump out just before the mess of lights from forest lakes south up through airport road will cause all kinds of back ups at rush hour and merging nightmares. if this thing is to work, the northern interchange needs to be north of the hollymeade and forest lakes sprawl that 29 already can't handle. anyway, there is so much engineering in this project it will never be built in our lieftimes -- it took a year and a half just to replace the jpa bridge, and the meadowcreek/rio intersection took just as long -- how will all the required grading and bridges and rerouting of existing overloaded roads get done before we are all flying in jetsons-mobiles?
Gru

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Sep 25, 2012
Pedaleur wrote:
Wait. So to get on the western bypass from the 250 bypass, you have to exit, come to a stop light, and then turn left?
And why no intersection with Earlysville Rd.?
If we're going to build the darned thing, why not make it useful?
Because it's a BY-PASS. You start putting lights all over the thing and you'll end up with Route 29: Take 2. Build an over-pass and leave Earlysville Road alone!
goober

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Sep 25, 2012
I thought you people wanted to live out in earlysville because of its "rural" nature. The farmlands and woods and all that were there before you people started putting million dollar homes on top of each other. Now you are crying for an offramp? why to add value to your homes? So you can have a wooded backyard and an offramp in the front.
Ross

Summerfield, FL

#14 Sep 25, 2012
City Resident wrote:
It's a shame the model doesn't show you the 11 percent grade northbound traffic coming onto the southern end of the bypass has to climb. The new version also adds 2 stop lights that northbound traffic have to go through now. 11 percent grade is steeper than the hill on High Street across from the county office building. This bypass plan sacrifices desired flow of traffic for a slim pricetag. Lets make sure we get our monies worth if we have to build this thing.
What, your car will struggle on an 11 percent grade? You live in the piedmont, dumb azz, what do you expect?
Pedaleur

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Sep 25, 2012
Gru wrote:
<quoted text> Because it's a BY-PASS. You start putting lights all over the thing and you'll end up with Route 29: Take 2. Build an over-pass and leave Earlysville Road alone!
Reading comprehension failure.
City Resident

Winchester, VA

#16 Sep 25, 2012
Pedaleur wrote:
<quoted text>
Reading comprehension failure.
Not really worried about my car getting up the hill, but an 18 wheeler is another story after negotiating the 90 degree turn at the top of the ramp and maybe having to stop at the traffic light at the top of the ramp is another story. You see many 18 wheelers trudging up High Street? Afton Mountain is a much lower grade and trucks struggle there. Yes, its possible for a truck to climb that grade but is it senseable or necessary?
Say what _ question mark

Richmond, VA

#18 Sep 25, 2012
City Resident wrote:
It's a shame the model doesn't show you the 11 percent grade northbound traffic coming onto the southern end of the bypass has to climb. The new version also adds 2 stop lights that northbound traffic have to go through now. 11 percent grade is steeper than the hill on High Street across from the county office building. This bypass plan sacrifices desired flow of traffic for a slim pricetag. Lets make sure we get our monies worth if we have to build this thing.
The max grade I see is 6%. What sheet are you looking on? I'm looking at Sheet 5A and Sheet 6A.
I got the technical proposal from VDOT's website.
City Resident

Winchester, VA

#19 Sep 26, 2012
See page 188 of 323 of the proposal - shows 11.36% grade on Leonard Sandridge Road up to the bridge over 250 bypass. So from a dead stop at the light, 18 wheelers are expected to take a 90 degree turn onto a grade of 11.36%@ 30mph?
ASPHALT-JUNGLE FIGHTER

United States

#20 May 19, 2013
City Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really worried about my car getting up the hill, but an 18 wheeler is another story after negotiating the 90 degree turn at the top of the ramp and maybe having to stop at the traffic light at the top of the ramp is another story. You see many 18 wheelers trudging up High Street? Afton Mountain is a much lower grade and trucks struggle there. Yes, its possible for a truck to climb that grade but is it senseable or necessary?
PLUS the resulting NOISE AND POLUTION WILL BE DEVASTATING TO ALL!

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