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Tuesday night a hunting dog is dead, a man is facing felony charges and Albemarle County police say it all could have been prevented.
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Va Huntress

Catonsville, MD

#186 Nov 23, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>You shouldn't have to, it's yor property. It doesn't matter, perhaps I like to walk around naked, it's my property; it's my fiefdom. So what if they belong to the state, hunting on my land without permission is poaching, are you admitting to hunting on other's land without permission? So let me get this straight, you feel entitled to other's people property while deliberately breaking the law?
Did you read anywhere , where I admitted to hunting on others property without permission?Poaching, I have not nor do not plan to. I consider myself a law abiding citizen, landowner and hunter.
And no I am not entitled nor do I feel entitled to anyones property other than my own. While deliberately breaking the law would not be coming onto your property to get my hunting dog. People with hunting dogs are not the only ones that may pass through your property that you may not know about.Most will come to you beforehand. As far as other animals, cats dogs etc if you live in the country that's part of it and you have to except it. Dude, You just want to continue to argue so have at it. Sounds like you could be the next Mr. Mullins. Kudos . I certainly don't have to have the last word.
Crazy

Ruckersville, VA

#187 Nov 23, 2012
rose wrote:
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I could guess your age by the posts you make...disrepectful name calling. I'm more than twice your age and I've seen a lot more than you have. Virginia isn't the only state that has a problem with disrespectful hunters. Just because you've never known or heard of someone cutting off deer tails doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Go to the traid shows and look at the walking sticks that have them attached with a leather strip. Where do you think they come from.
We moved from the city to the country, built a place in the middle of 50 acres thinking we'd have some peace in life. As I said in one of my posts..I'm not agaist hunters. My whole family are hunters but they respect other peoples property. We delt with the deer hunters with or without dogs trespassing and they thought it was ok because they'd been hunting that property all their lives. So what if we owned it at the time. We also put up with night bear hunters with dogs and the night coon hunters with dogs...all cutting our fences. With the fences cut we had to deal with other peoples cows getting on our property crapping all over the yard. One morning I woke up to all the cows laying in the garden with everything trampled and crapped on....No fresh veggies or canning 2 years in a row. We thought the country was La La Land. If all you have to worry about is a few cats consider yourself lucky and pick up the phone and call animal control. I'm sure they'll be sooo helpful. And for all the ladies out there who have a problem with night hunters trespassing...Keep your blinds closed. Deer Bear and Coons aren't all SOME of them are looking for.
Rose cows getting out doesn't always mean someone cut the fence, even though I am sure it happens. All I am saying is that there are just as many or more good ones as bad ones. There are plenty of horrible politicians, but we still have politics. Just saying, as it would be hard for me to live in the city it is just as hard for some city folks to adjust to country. Not that it is okay for a lot of what happens, but stuff happens, you either handle it or remove yourself from the situation.
Dude

Marshall, VA

#188 Nov 24, 2012
Va Huntress wrote:
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Did you read anywhere , where I admitted to hunting on others property without permission?Poaching, I have not nor do not plan to. I consider myself a law abiding citizen, landowner and hunter.
And no I am not entitled nor do I feel entitled to anyones property other than my own. While deliberately breaking the law would not be coming onto your property to get my hunting dog. People with hunting dogs are not the only ones that may pass through your property that you may not know about.Most will come to you beforehand. As far as other animals, cats dogs etc if you live in the country that's part of it and you have to except it. Dude, You just want to continue to argue so have at it. Sounds like you could be the next Mr. Mullins. Kudos . I certainly don't have to have the last word.
then what is the point of bringing up the fact that deer belong to the state? Why do bring up the fact that it is legal for you to trespass? Why do you bring up what is on other's property? You clearly feel entitled to other people's stuff, and don't respect other's property rights.
Crazy

Ruckersville, VA

#189 Nov 24, 2012
From reading the post I understand personal property, but once a deer gets shot or someone's dog runs on the property you have not only a right but obligation to retrieve either or both. Is it fair....not really but neither is the fact with many things in life being fair. As most people who are lucky enough or fortunate enough to have property it's not fair, but it is life. People should respect others property, but still understand sometimes 2 worlds will collide, you can either blow up or try to work with one another. That is hunters also, don't cut fences, or let your dogs loose on someone's property, but if they come on your property realize they might not be intentional doing it, just trying to kill a deer.
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#190 Nov 24, 2012
Crazy wrote:
From reading the post I understand personal property, but once a deer gets shot or someone's dog runs on the property you have not only a right but obligation to retrieve either or both. Is it fair....not really but neither is the fact with many things in life being fair. As most people who are lucky enough or fortunate enough to have property it's not fair, but it is life. People should respect others property, but still understand sometimes 2 worlds will collide, you can either blow up or try to work with one another. That is hunters also, don't cut fences, or let your dogs loose on someone's property, but if they come on your property realize they might not be intentional doing it, just trying to kill a deer.
Nobody is stating that life is fair.
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Personal property rights are inalienable, hunting, like all things you have to get a license for, is a privilege.
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The guy was probably a d-bag for killing the dog, but in all fairness, it's his property.
Zorby

Culpeper, VA

#191 Nov 24, 2012
Mmc wrote:
You don't know history of this relationship those hunters have abused mr. Mullins his land an every other neighbor around them even physically abusing him in past.mr. Mullins is a huge dog person and this is what they have driven him to. They hunt upwards of100 dogs at a time how do u control that!thats abusing your rights.RTR on way out can't wait and I am a hunter as well they try to run over me on my land as well with hunting dogs I hate em!stop judging when u don't know anything about what has previously occurred judge,jury,executioner no evidence?get the facts!
As a wooded land owner, I have had a huge problem for years with "hunters" who drive up to my boundary line to release their dogs, which chase deer down to my creek where they run along it to the next property where the ambushers are waiting with their guns. Meanwhile some of their dogs have nearly torn down my rabbit cages or seized my bunnies' feet and dragged them through the wire. Does the 10,000 acre hunting preserve carry insurance to indemnify adjacent land owners whose property rights have been violated? Do they have fencing to keep the dogs and hunters confined to the hunt club hunting grounds? In prior years, the solution for the tormented property owner was SSS, shoot, shovel and shut up. Now the hunters have $599 tracking collars on dogs they send to chase across private land, but no intention of paying the property owner a penny to hunt his land with the excuse "Oh, we can;t help where our dogs go." I would not shoot a dog but slob hunters who send their dogs to trespass or injure other peoples' property ought to be controlled somehow. I would be very interested to learn how many dog how many times came across Mullins' property before he pinged. More fuss over this little Bob than humans killed with less reason. Whatever happened to balanced reporting of actual facts?????
Zorby

Culpeper, VA

#192 Nov 24, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I posted the law, and that's not true; they can come on your property for dog retrieval regardless of permission. They need permission if they want to bring a vehicle on your property, and are supposed to be unarmed...
...it appears that you, too, knows how well that works out. Every single piece of property on either side of 231/ 22 has been poached on
it's a ridiculous law as far as getting permission from the owner to come on his/her property because how do the dog runners know who the owner is unless they are already trespassing to find out? How many owners are waiting by the drawbridge to give permission to enter? Yes, some posted properties do have phone numbers to call - sometimes.
Zorby

Culpeper, VA

#193 Nov 24, 2012
Veritas wrote:
I think you all might want to hold up with the comments until the results come back from the necropsy. The dog wasn't shot, stay tuned.
Interestingly, I looked up the charges which don't indicate death; among other charges, the charge is "animal cruelty." Did Mullins' rottweilers, which were protecting their property, kill the beagle? please explain why you state the dog was not shot? It is dead, right? How????? Is there any way to get some accuracy on this incident from people who were actually there, not handkerchief story tellers?
Zorby

Culpeper, VA

#194 Nov 24, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Hunting isn't at the heart of the issue, nor is dog's rights.... The heart of the issue is personal property rights.
If the heart of the issue is personal property rights, which prevails? The trespassing "innocent" animal that was brought from another location with the intent to be loosed to hunt on somebody else's land? Or the threatened landowner upon whose stationary property the dog is running free?
Crazy

Ruckersville, VA

#195 Nov 24, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody is stating that life is fair.
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Personal property rights are inalienable, hunting, like all things you have to get a license for, is a privilege.
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The guy was probably a d-bag for killing the dog, but in all fairness, it's his property.
You can't shot a person on your property, unless your life is under threat. But a dog becomes his property to kill? He owns the land, but the rules are the rules, cut and dry. You have the right to run dogs, you have the right to retrieve those dogs. Not fair, but as real as it gets. I personally wouldn't want dogs running on my property, but also understand it is part of the territory in the country. Personal property only goes as far as the government allows. Ask the Indians, or my family that use to live in the national park. Not fair, but it is what it is.

I just think if he had that big of an issue, fight or kill the dog owner, not the dog. Only a coward would kill a dog unless the animal was a threat to his life.
Va Huntress

Capitol Heights, MD

#196 Nov 24, 2012
Crazy wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't shot a person on your property, unless your life is under threat. But a dog becomes his property to kill? He owns the land, but the rules are the rules, cut and dry. You have the right to run dogs, you have the right to retrieve those dogs. Not fair, but as real as it gets. I personally wouldn't want dogs running on my property, but also understand it is part of the territory in the country. Personal property only goes as far as the government allows. Ask the Indians, or my family that use to live in the national park. Not fair, but it is what it is.
I just think if he had that big of an issue, fight or kill the dog owner, not the dog. Only a coward would kill a dog unless the animal was a threat to his life.
Crazy, Thank You. Couldn't have said better. Totally agree with you as I have the upmost respect for others property & do not take advantage of it. My grandfather also USE to live in the national park. No it was not fair, but it is what it is!
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#197 Nov 24, 2012
Crazy wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't shot a person on your property, unless your life is under threat. But a dog becomes his property to kill? He owns the land, but the rules are the rules, cut and dry. You have the right to run dogs, you have the right to retrieve those dogs. Not fair, but as real as it gets. I personally wouldn't want dogs running on my property, but also understand it is part of the territory in the country. Personal property only goes as far as the government allows. Ask the Indians, or my family that use to live in the national park. Not fair, but it is what it is.
I just think if he had that big of an issue, fight or kill the dog owner, not the dog. Only a coward would kill a dog unless the animal was a threat to his life.
this has nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with property rights. Only a social liberal Obama voter apologist worth an entitlement complex would be against Castle laws.
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#198 Nov 24, 2012
Va Huntress wrote:
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Crazy, Thank You. Couldn't have said better. Totally agree with you as I have the upmost respect for others property & do not take advantage of it. My grandfather also USE to live in the national park. No it was not fair, but it is what it is!
that doesn't make it just or right.
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#199 Nov 24, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>this has nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with property rights. Only a social liberal Obama voter apologist worth an entitlement complex would be against Castle laws.
*with not worth
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#200 Nov 25, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>this has nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with property rights. Only a social liberal Obama voter apologist worth an entitlement complex would be against Castle laws.
the cspca should mediate this dispute
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-cruel-fac...
Sue

Bronx, NY

#201 Nov 25, 2012
heh wrote:
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the cspca should mediate this dispute
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-cruel-fac...
All you DAM DOG HUNTERS need to read this article that "heh" left for you!! Bastards!
Colt 45

Bealeton, VA

#202 Nov 25, 2012
heh wrote:
<quoted text>
the cspca should mediate this dispute
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-cruel-fac...
To me the link you provided seemed to have another agenda besides the hunting with hounds,from reading this i believe they are against all types of hunting. and they are using this to get public opinion on their side.I myself have not seen starving,neglected hounds,at least not the ones that have come onto my property,I am sure there are some just the same as some bad hunters.As i have stated before i personnally do not care for deer hunting with dogs
but understand every one has different likes and dislikes.
Colt 45

Bealeton, VA

#203 Nov 25, 2012
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>All you DAM DOG HUNTERS need to read this article that "heh" left for you!! Bastards!
While I do not care for deer hunting with dogs this article
is against all hunting and using this to promote their anti hunting agenda.Citing cases like dogs getting caught up in barb wire,I have seen a number of deer getting tangled in fences and either break their neck or starve to death,are you going to ban fences? I do not have the numbers but expect there is more animal cruelty done in home environments than hunting dogs.
Ban Dog Hunting

Charlottesville, VA

#204 Nov 25, 2012
I say ban hunting with dogs will cure this problem. If you want to hunt, get off your lazy azz and get out there and do it on your own instead of using a dog. Quit sitting in your truck on the side of the road. Get your exercise and take your azz through the woods instead of letting a dog do the dirty work. Be a sportsman.
Zorby

North Garden, VA

#205 Nov 25, 2012
Colt 45 wrote:
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To me the link you provided seemed to have another agenda besides the hunting with hounds,from reading this i believe they are against all types of hunting. and they are using this to get public opinion on their side.I myself have not seen starving,neglected hounds,at least not the ones that have come onto my property,I am sure there are some just the same as some bad hunters.As i have stated before i personnally do not care for deer hunting with dogs
but understand every one has different likes and dislikes.
I, too, have seen mistreated hunting dogs and some that were treated with great care and fondness. They are a great source of pleasure for some responsible, caring owners and trainers. I agree, the CASPCA certainly takes care of a lot of lost or dumped or abandoned hounds but they should NOT mediate this dispute because it is between SOME dog hunters and some property owners, especially concerning the advantage to scofflaws take of the law.

One thing nobody has mentioned is that the dogs, running loose, are at hazard, which their owners surely know, not just from angry property owners or from their getting lost or stolen. Thanksgiving evening, on the way north on Route 29, I saw two dead hunting dogs between WalMart and Ruckersville. It might be interesting to see how many hounds are killed by vehicles during hunting season - if VDOT keeps such statistics.

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