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People Speak Out on Panhandling & Downtown Mall Enhancements - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA New...

There are 150 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Nov 19, 2012, titled People Speak Out on Panhandling & Downtown Mall Enhancements - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA New.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Monday night, people spoke passionately at the Charlottesville City Council meeting against plans to address panhandling and unruly behavior on the downtown mall.

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cville citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#21 Nov 19, 2012
internets wrote:
I hope they don't add more benches. The benches by the City Hall end of the mall are already the creep capital of charlottesville. you can match up the faces of the people there with the sex offender registry.
Dont forget that almost 2 years ago a homeless man was beaten almost to death and left for dead by the Federal Courthouse, beyond the bushes of the bus stop.. Had he perhaps been at City Hall trying to get some sleep on a HARD wooden seat, this may not have happened to him.
He spent over 2 weeks at the hospital lingering between life and death.

So let me ask you,what do poor people do when they have no place to go? please do not mention jail or guns in your reply.

just as I thought you have no real answer either.
cville citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#22 Nov 19, 2012
Justice wrote:
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I suggest we house them at your house!
But my guess is you are probably some homeless on a computer at the Haven.
and the survey says " W-R-O-N-G! but we have some lovely parting gifts..

nope work fulltime pay my way but have compassion for others. and yes I have let people sleep on my couch from time to time. a safe space, a cup of hot chocolate, some conversation. all i can offer so that is what i give.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#23 Nov 19, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Yeah, a useless citizen who doesn't contribute but is more then willing to take, take, and take!
PS-- They were all there because these special creatures had nothing better to do... real citizens have jobs to get off of, a family to take care of, etc.
According to the constitution, they're "real citizens, too.” You don't get to define real citizens to whatever suits you. It's interesting that you assume that all individuals have the same faculty as you. What's even more interesting, you're only targeting those that are trying to sleep and eat, and not those that potentially put them there to begin with, like Jeff Skilling, or Charles Keating.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#24 Nov 19, 2012
cville citizen wrote:
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Dont forget that almost 2 years ago a homeless man was beaten almost to death and left for dead by the Federal Courthouse, beyond the bushes of the bus stop.. Had he perhaps been at City Hall trying to get some sleep on a HARD wooden seat, this may not have happened to him.
He spent over 2 weeks at the hospital lingering between life and death.
So let me ask you,what do poor people do when they have no place to go? please do not mention jail or guns in your reply.
just as I thought you have no real answer either.
I shouldn't have replied, Objectivists don't believe in anything greater than themselves. The fact they don't eat their own young is nothing short of a miracle.

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/05/my_father_the...
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#25 Nov 19, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>According to the constitution, they're "real citizens, too.” You don't get to define real citizens to whatever suits you. It's interesting that you assume that all individuals have the same faculty as you. What's even more interesting, you're only targeting those that are trying to sleep and eat, and not those that potentially put them there to begin with, like Jeff Skilling, or Charles Keating.
Let's send them to Mineral, Va.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#26 Nov 19, 2012
cville citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
and the survey says " W-R-O-N-G! but we have some lovely parting gifts..
nope work fulltime pay my way but have compassion for others. and yes I have let people sleep on my couch from time to time. a safe space, a cup of hot chocolate, some conversation. all i can offer so that is what i give.
Pity party, wooo!!!
gah

Charlottesville, VA

#27 Nov 19, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Pity party, wooo!!!
the justice imposed on you is just desserts
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#28 Nov 20, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Let's send them to Mineral, Va.
somebody doesn't know how the internet works.
.
Your ignorance aside, that doesn't solve the problem.
Ice Dogg

Cumming, GA

#29 Nov 20, 2012
Make a place for folks to hang out and they will. Need more automobile traffic to keep folks moving along.
KBShorts

Scottsville, VA

#30 Nov 20, 2012
I can't speak to all of our urban outdoorsmen but I am very familiar with one of them. He is there because he is a dopehead, been to rehab about a dozen times. This dude wants to live the way he does. Go ahead and invite him over for tea and conversation, he will rob you and if he gets the chance he will molest you or your children. This is not a kind, gentle person who has fallen on hard times but rather a dangerous predator and should be treated as such.
god-fearer

Luray, VA

#31 Nov 20, 2012
IT IS CLEAR

that there is a great 'divide' among points of view here:

people are imploring to allow the homeless or jobless to hang out by sitting or sleeping on the Downtown Mall

while others are imploring that the Mall become more safe and secure for their children and themselves

It is not selfish to want safety. And, the homeless and jobless need safety, too. Is it safe and healthy to sit or sleep all day or overnight on the downtown Mall? That is the question public private partnerships should ask and reconcile.

If it is not safe and healthy for all, then public private partnerships are warranted, that involve public and private housing, jobs and wages, interventions and services to prevent homelessness and to decrease joblessness.

We know that many local congregations are involved. We know that many local businesses can be asked to become involved. We wonder if voices criticizing the homeless are involved - to prevent and resolve homelessness and joblessness - and we wonder if voices advocating at City Council are actually involved to prevent and resolve homelessness and joblessness.

Big mouths only do not create jobs, and criticizing only does not prevent homelessness.

We are all SO VERY TIRED of big mouth rhetoric, from all sides. Get together and get it done: resolve to prevent homelessness and to decrease joblessness. And, while doing it, YOU spend some of YOUR OWN MONEY, not only demanding for others to spend their money.
Bob Cratchet

Floyd, VA

#32 Nov 20, 2012
The government announced today a new poverty program to round up the "homeless" and transport them to a camp where they would then be exterminated.
Where are the results from the country's WAR on Poverty which, as with the WAR on Drugs, has shown no useful results despite huge sums of monies spent.
And it is telling that the reporter calls profane rants at the council meeting "BOLD". Yeah, no slant there!
As for myself, I find wisdom in the words of Ebinezer Scrooge, better they should die and decrease the surplus population...Let Allah sort 'em out.

R.I.P.: CHRISTmas
Feed the Poor

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Nov 20, 2012
A good business person would not open their store front in a bad neighborhood, so if the Downtown Mall has become a bad neighborhood then abandon ship and move your business. It is the eclectic businesses of Charlottesville that make Charlottesville able to win all of those ****** awards, and this is the respect these businesses get in return!
As for the homeless, some of these individuals are mentally ill, some are intellectually disabled and really have no where else to go, but be honest, some of them are depraved predators. Lets stop living in la la land and imagining everyone skipping hand in hand together down the brick path of the downtown mall to OZ! It is true many of the people that insist these businesses live in harmony with the homeless themselves have very nice homes in very nice neighborhoods and would not tolerate this in their own yards, but of course profit makers are not "real citizens too" like homeless people and tax collectors.
Jerry

Houston, TX

#34 Nov 20, 2012
Send them all, and Ms. Carpenter to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, our President will provide them shelter and his wife will feed them broccoli...but us hardworking citizens will still be paying for them.
Eaglescout1984

Charlottesville, VA

#36 Nov 20, 2012
Maybe all the downtown mall businesses should just relocate to the Shops at Stonefield and not have to worry about people sleeping on public property in front of their shop. Then the people who advocate for the homeless can come downtown and visit with them without the annoyance of business owners and customers trying to get rid of them. Everybody's happy! You know, except maybe for the city who loses tax revenue.
Get A Job

Charlottesville, VA

#37 Nov 20, 2012
What a joke of an issue. The lazy ones should get off their tails and be productive. I believe their are enough safety nests provided by the taxpayer to help those REALLY in need.

People gullible enough to give deserve to be a few dollars poorer.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#38 Nov 20, 2012
KBShorts wrote:
I can't speak to all of our urban outdoorsmen but I am very familiar with one of them. He is there because he is a dopehead, been to rehab about a dozen times. This dude wants to live the way he does. Go ahead and invite him over for tea and conversation, he will rob you and if he gets the chance he will molest you or your children. This is not a kind, gentle person who has fallen on hard times but rather a dangerous predator and should be treated as such.
and I'm sure even the most socially liberal among us wouldn't care if they starved if they actually were completely capable; the problem is, nobody in their right mind would choose to live that way. Do you think 'devils_little_bore' wanted to live they way they did?(a reference to the assault thread) These people are conditioned or disabled, we can help the conditioned, and ease the burden of the disabled. Some of the disabled can be treated, some can not. It's not about easing their poverty, but guiding them out of it.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#39 Nov 20, 2012
Get A Job wrote:
What a joke of an issue. The lazy ones should get off their tails and be productive. I believe their are enough safety nests provided by the taxpayer to help those REALLY in need.
People gullible enough to give deserve to be a few dollars poorer.
It sounds so simple, doesn't it?
Pravda

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Nov 20, 2012
"not everyone can meet the sobriety requirement..."

Gee! I wonder just where in tarnation they could be getting the money to enable them to fail that pesky sobriety requirement...
well-

United States

#41 Nov 20, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Ah yes, the paradox that is Christianity. One year ago Mormonism wasn't real Christianity, but a cult; now it's mainstream. Do we dare define it based on our own intepretation of how the bible teaches us what is to be a Christian? If that was so, a Christian wouldn't dare ask that question, right? None of us are Christ like, and if Christian will stand in judgement, if not we're going to hell, right?
remember, some just changed their stance on mormonism for the election. A cult is a cult is a cult, no matter if it's an election year or not.

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