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There are 150 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Nov 19, 2012, titled People Speak Out on Panhandling & Downtown Mall Enhancements - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA New.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Monday night, people spoke passionately at the Charlottesville City Council meeting against plans to address panhandling and unruly behavior on the downtown mall.

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god-fearer

Luray, VA

#1 Nov 19, 2012
PARDON, but a rule about obstructing pedestrian passage - by sitting or lying 10 near a building is NOT oppressive of freedom. Anyone could stand anywhere and not thereby obstruct passage of other pedestrians.

IF the argument is that 'homeless' people should be able to sit of lie where they wish, that is absurd. Why then shouldn't a homeless person be able to sit of lie where they wish near the homes of everyone who spoke up against an ordinance about sitting and lying. Nothing so marks so-called 'advocates' as hypocritical as when they want some inconvenience upon others but don't accept the inconvenience themselves.

If so-called 'liberals' keep this up, long enough, loudly enough, they will have successfully recruited for the Republican party. One wonders sometimes if so-called 'liberal' activists are actually stealth agents of the TEA Parties, since both are anarchists at heart.

Be honest: you're really anarchists, aren't you? And, if so, why bother about attending or speaking at Council meetings. Go all out with anarchy: disobey all laws, and accept the consequences. NO?...'liberals' can be such sissies, can't they?
Downtown mall shopper

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Nov 19, 2012
I agree that the folks are citizens with rights like everyone else and should be able to do what they want - within the law - same as me. However, when they do what they do it leads me to not bring my family to the downtown mall. We have been chased, followed and dealt with begging. This makes my young daughter - and me - nervous and uncomfortable. When we were chased the man was under some influence. We did not know what he would do. Why would I continue to expose my children and myself to this behavior?

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Concerned in crozet

Rocky Mount, VA

#3 Nov 19, 2012
Some of these people are really down on their luck and need money....others...well I can name 2 right off hand that do it because its easy money. Sad that people who need help can't get it and others are just taking advantage of kind people willing to help.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#4 Nov 19, 2012
god-fearer wrote:
PARDON, but a rule about obstructing pedestrian passage - by sitting or lying 10 near a building is NOT oppressive of freedom. Anyone could stand anywhere and not thereby obstruct passage of other pedestrians.
IF the argument is that 'homeless' people should be able to sit of lie where they wish, that is absurd. Why then shouldn't a homeless person be able to sit of lie where they wish near the homes of everyone who spoke up against an ordinance about sitting and lying. Nothing so marks so-called 'advocates' as hypocritical as when they want some inconvenience upon others but don't accept the inconvenience themselves.
If so-called 'liberals' keep this up, long enough, loudly enough, they will have successfully recruited for the Republican party. One wonders sometimes if so-called 'liberal' activists are actually stealth agents of the TEA Parties, since both are anarchists at heart.
Be honest: you're really anarchists, aren't you? And, if so, why bother about attending or speaking at Council meetings. Go all out with anarchy: disobey all laws, and accept the consequences. NO?...'liberals' can be such sissies, can't they?
Theocratic fascism is most decidedly not anarchy. Anarchy is a concept like pure capitalism and pure communism, nice but naive.
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"If men were angels, no government would be necessary."
~James Madison.
Rex

Ardsley, NY

#5 Nov 19, 2012
"god-fearer" I hope you don't call yourself a Christian!
cvillegal

Midlothian, VA

#6 Nov 19, 2012
You cannot make the homeless disappear, it doesn't work that way. Sorry uptight snobs in Charlottesville but poor people are citizens just as much as you.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#7 Nov 19, 2012
Rex wrote:
"god-fearer" I hope you don't call yourself a Christian!
Ah yes, the paradox that is Christianity. One year ago Mormonism wasn't real Christianity, but a cult; now it's mainstream. Do we dare define it based on our own intepretation of how the bible teaches us what is to be a Christian? If that was so, a Christian wouldn't dare ask that question, right? None of us are Christ like, and if Christian will stand in judgement, if not we're going to hell, right?
twinmom

Farmville, VA

#8 Nov 19, 2012
Homeless advocate Nancy Carpenter said, "They are just as much a citizen, they are just as much, have rights as I do, just because they choose to do something different than I do... I don't have to support it, I don't have to like it, but I don't have the liberty to deny it."

But the problem is that the taxpayers ARE being forced to support it, by enabling them with all of the entitlements. If someone CAN't work because of medical issues, that is one thing and I am happy to help, but if someone CHOOSES to live that life, I don't think the rest of us should have to hand over our hard-earned money to them. They have housing through the shelters, cellphones, soup kitchens and food stamps, Medicaid and free health clinics. They beg for money on the mall because they want booze, cigarettes and drugs, and thank heavens, so far, our government has drawn the line on giving them those things.
I stopped going down there when my children went on a field trip in 2nd grade and one of the "undiscovered treasures" kept following a child with autism just a little too closely. And I didn't appreciate the loud foul language spewing from a group of them, either.
I suggest we do everyone a favor and put the new benches in front of the Szakos', Huja', and Norris' houses. You wouldn't have to use tax money to pay for them. Every business on the mall would gladly donate to buy them.

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Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#9 Nov 19, 2012
cvillegal wrote:
You cannot make the homeless disappear, it doesn't work that way. Sorry uptight snobs in Charlottesville but poor people are citizens just as much as you.
Have you ever seen the Charlton Heston movie Soylent Green?
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All kidding aside, the entire problem isn't just the vagrants and homeless.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#10 Nov 19, 2012
twinmom wrote:
Homeless advocate Nancy Carpenter said, "They are just as much a citizen, they are just as much, have rights as I do, just because they choose to do something different than I do... I don't have to support it, I don't have to like it, but I don't have the liberty to deny it."
But the problem is that the taxpayers ARE being forced to support it, by enabling them with all of the entitlements. If someone CAN't work because of medical issues, that is one thing and I am happy to help, but if someone CHOOSES to live that life, I don't think the rest of us should have to hand over our hard-earned money to them. They have housing through the shelters, cellphones, soup kitchens and food stamps, Medicaid and free health clinics. They beg for money on the mall because they want booze, cigarettes and drugs, and thank heavens, so far, our government has drawn the line on giving them those things.
I stopped going down there when my children went on a field trip in 2nd grade and one of the "undiscovered treasures" kept following a child with autism just a little too closely. And I didn't appreciate the loud foul language spewing from a group of them, either.
I suggest we do everyone a favor and put the new benches in front of the Szakos', Huja', and Norris' houses. You wouldn't have to use tax money to pay for them. Every business on the mall would gladly donate to buy them.
Nobody advocates for fraud except the fraudulent.
cville citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Nov 19, 2012
twinmom wrote:
Homeless advocate Nancy Carpenter said, "They are just as much a citizen, they are just as much, have rights as I do, just because they choose to do something different than I do... I don't have to support it, I don't have to like it, but I don't have the liberty to deny it."
But the problem is that the taxpayers ARE being forced to support it, by enabling them with all of the entitlements. If someone CAN't work because of medical issues, that is one thing and I am happy to help, but if someone CHOOSES to live that life, I don't think the rest of us should have to hand over our hard-earned money to them. They have housing through the shelters, cellphones, soup kitchens and food stamps, Medicaid and free health clinics. They beg for money on the mall because they want booze, cigarettes and drugs, and thank heavens, so far, our government has drawn the line on giving them those things.
I stopped going down there when my children went on a field trip in 2nd grade and one of the "undiscovered treasures" kept following a child with autism just a little too closely. And I didn't appreciate the loud foul language spewing from a group of them, either.
I suggest we do everyone a favor and put the new benches in front of the Szakos', Huja', and Norris' houses. You wouldn't have to use tax money to pay for them. Every business on the mall would gladly donate to buy them.
Excuse me but what housing in what shelters are you talking about? THere is only a cold weather shelter of last resort-PACEM. During the spring summer early fall, there is no shelter. Medicaid is only for adults with children and only for the children. or if you recve Soc Sec, not many qualify on that either.
If the downtown mall is just an economic engine then privatize the thing and charge us all an admission. If it is an economic engine and the face of diversity than poor people should not be singled out as someone you do not want to see on the mall. Poverty and homelessness are ugly but sweeping people under the carpet does not address the issue.
ALSO please watch the entire City Council podcast before you prognosticate, your ignorance is showing.
UVA fan

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Nov 19, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody advocates for fraud except the fraudulent.
More fraud has been committed by Wells Fargo and Bank of America than any of the people on the mall.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#13 Nov 19, 2012
UVA fan wrote:
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More fraud has been committed by Wells Fargo and Bank of America than any of the people on the mall.
I hope you mean, "than ALL of the people on the mall." That's why I left it open.
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There really is a double standard, when people take advantage of a system because they're hungry they're vilified as "moochers." When it is millionaires and billionaires take advantage of a system itÂ’s because it is a good financial decision. Ironically, the latter might actually be relatively responsible for the former being there.
Reality Check

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Nov 19, 2012
@cville citizen - What about the Salvation Army?
cville citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Nov 19, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
@cville citizen - What about the Salvation Army?
I think you know the answer to that. The Salvation Army has time limits on individuals now. Also not everyone can meet the sobriety requirement. It is what it is. Once you exhaust your time limit, well what are you to do?

Safe and affordable housing helps to create healthy and prosperous communities as stated by Gov. McDonnell on Nov. 14th. He is committed to ending chronic homelessness.

ALso, take the time to listen and view the council podcast to better understand what was discussed.
internets

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Nov 19, 2012
I hope they don't add more benches. The benches by the City Hall end of the mall are already the creep capital of charlottesville. you can match up the faces of the people there with the sex offender registry.
Juz Me

Inkster, MI

#17 Nov 19, 2012
Create more jobs and more affordable housing. Some of the people downtown have served our country and this is the thanks they get. But I do say the Thugs and wanna be gangs need to go. The homeless are just trying to survive.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Nov 19, 2012
cvillegal wrote:
You cannot make the homeless disappear, it doesn't work that way. Sorry uptight snobs in Charlottesville but poor people are citizens just as much as you.
Yeah, a useless citizen who doesn't contribute but is more then willing to take, take, and take!
PS-- They were all there because these special creatures had nothing better to do... real citizens have jobs to get off of, a family to take care of, etc.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Nov 19, 2012
internets wrote:
I hope they don't add more benches. The benches by the City Hall end of the mall are already the creep capital of charlottesville. you can match up the faces of the people there with the sex offender registry.
Funny how the Cville TOOK out benches a few months ago to solve the homeless problem and now they are putting them back.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Nov 19, 2012
cville citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you know the answer to that. The Salvation Army has time limits on individuals now. Also not everyone can meet the sobriety requirement. It is what it is. Once you exhaust your time limit, well what are you to do?
Safe and affordable housing helps to create healthy and prosperous communities as stated by Gov. McDonnell on Nov. 14th. He is committed to ending chronic homelessness.
ALso, take the time to listen and view the council podcast to better understand what was discussed.
I suggest we house them at your house!
But my guess is you are probably some homeless on a computer at the Haven.

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