House Votes to Keep Privacy of Concealed Handgun Permit Holders

There are 25 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Feb 11, 2013, titled House Votes to Keep Privacy of Concealed Handgun Permit Holders. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Finding out who has a concealed handgun permit in Virginia may get a little tougher.

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TFred

La Mirada, CA

#1 Feb 13, 2013
With all due respect, it IS a big issue. A few years back, the Roanoke Times published the ENTIRE list, and earned the outrage of folks across the entire state. In spite of testimony to the contrary by the Virginia Press Association, during this past calendar year, at least one newspaper in Virginia HAS published, both in print and on-line, lists of new CHP holders' names and partial addresses. I have the newspapers to prove it!

The press has proven over and over again that they cannot be responsible with this private information on their own, so they need "help", in the form of the amended SB 1335.

Everyone knows it's not a matter about information, it's very much an effort for anti-gun ideologues to use this privacy loophole to intimidate and stigmatize the MOST law-abiding citizens in the state.
central va marine

Scottsville, VA

#2 Feb 13, 2013
Some fool in Richmond thought it was a good idea to sell, that's right SELL , my name, make & model of auto, date of purchase, name, address and phone number, when I purchased a new car a few years ago. When one registers to vote in this State now, that information is SOLD to political parties. Need I say more. This type of information is sold daily by State Government Departments.

And this brings us to this story. If a person gets a permit issued by a section or department of the PUBLIC STATE GOVERNMENT, why can't it be, and why shouldn't it be made public. After all, it is a PUBLIC RECORD.

What do gun owners have to hide? And why? How much did the NRA pay to have this bill passed.

One other point. We know that multiple mistakes have been made in issuing carry permits, If I read that Joe Smoe down the street has a carry permit, and just last week I know he was released from a mental health clinic, should not the police know this too.

Never mind that under the present laws, State and Federal, any one of the 9/11 terrorist would have qualified for a PRIVATE carry permit. Now that makes lots of sense to some, but not to this veteran who served to protect this Country, not turn the streets in to a war zone.

more to come
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Feb 13, 2013
If we get rid of the guns the arguments become mute.
Seen it before

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Feb 13, 2013
The Charlottesville daily newspaper (name witheld due to lack of respect) published this information
a number of years ago, back when you had to have a "valid reason" to be granted a permit. They listed the names of several people who listed such reasons as "works nights", "carries large sums of money", etc. In the process, they also exposed the identities of several undercover police officers. Yes, they are public records; if you want to see them carry your a$$ down to the courthouse and read them! Most criminals won't go to the trouble to do this, while they might read (or have someone else read to them) a list in a newspaper. Many of the people who feel such publication is reasonable do not have a horse in the race-they have no permit, therefore their name won't be published, so they don't care if yours is. Mr. Toscano's comments, as well as those of the previous (former Marine) commentor,indicate that they do not care about their fellow citizens' privacy, and make light of or minimize the significance of such an exposure. By their comments they show that they are unworthy of being taken seriously and thus expose themselves and their similar thinking compatriots for the threat to society that they really are!
I am the 53 Percent

Waynesboro, VA

#6 Feb 13, 2013
central va marine wrote:
What do gun owners have to hide?
Oh, you'd rather thieves know where to steal firearms? The village you're missing from called. They don't want you back.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Feb 14, 2013
There goes the constitution.
Comment

Farmville, VA

#8 Feb 14, 2013
There are quite a few individuals on that list carrying a weapon for protection against someone whom they'd rather not give their name and address. This law protects their identities.
Cmon Man

Alexandria, VA

#10 Feb 14, 2013
Personal information is personal information, governmental information is what FOIA refers to. If our government didn't require you to be permitted to exercise your right to defend yourself, this point would be moot. As usual Central VA moron proves they learned nothing from their time in service. I've got an office full of real marines here who wish you'd stop embarrassing them. Hilarious
god-fearer

Martinsville, VA

#11 Feb 14, 2013
Why does the Virginia House of Delegates
get their panties in a big ol' bunch to give away privileges to gun owners - to PROTECT their privacy - while they won't even allow debate of a bill to PROTECT people from discrimination in the workplace? Is gun owners' privacy more important than having a job with respect and without discrimination?

“Don't Drink The Obama Kool-Aid”

Since: Aug 09

You don't need to know, Va.

#12 Feb 14, 2013
god-fearer wrote:
Why does the Virginia House of Delegates
get their panties in a big ol' bunch to give away privileges to gun owners - to PROTECT their privacy - while they won't even allow debate of a bill to PROTECT people from discrimination in the workplace? Is gun owners' privacy more important than having a job with respect and without discrimination?
YES!
real central va Marine

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Feb 14, 2013
central va marine wrote:
Some fool in Richmond thought it was a good idea to sell, that's right SELL , my name, make & model of auto, date of purchase, name, address and phone number, when I purchased a new car a few years ago. When one registers to vote in this State now, that information is SOLD to political parties. Need I say more. This type of information is sold daily by State Government Departments.
And this brings us to this story. If a person gets a permit issued by a section or department of the PUBLIC STATE GOVERNMENT, why can't it be, and why shouldn't it be made public. After all, it is a PUBLIC RECORD.
What do gun owners have to hide? And why? How much did the NRA pay to have this bill passed.
One other point. We know that multiple mistakes have been made in issuing carry permits, If I read that Joe Smoe down the street has a carry permit, and just last week I know he was released from a mental health clinic, should not the police know this too.
Never mind that under the present laws, State and Federal, any one of the 9/11 terrorist would have qualified for a PRIVATE carry permit. Now that makes lots of sense to some, but not to this veteran who served to protect this Country, not turn the streets in to a war zone.
more to come
The gun owners have just as much to hide as you do about your car and address. If you KNOW "that Joe Smoe down the street has a carry permit, and just last week I know he was released from a mental health clinic, should not the police know this too?" it is incumbent on you to notify the police if he is breaking the law, or did you not learn that in (fantasy) boot camp Marine?
real central va Marine

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Feb 14, 2013
Cmon Man wrote:
Personal information is personal information, governmental information is what FOIA refers to. If our government didn't require you to be permitted to exercise your right to defend yourself, this point would be moot. As usual Central VA moron proves they learned nothing from their time in service. I've got an office full of real marines here who wish you'd stop embarrassing them. Hilarious
I'm right there with you.
sez you

Richmond, VA

#15 Feb 14, 2013
Cmon Man wrote:
Personal information is personal information, governmental information is what FOIA refers to. If our government didn't require you to be permitted to exercise your right to defend yourself, this point would be moot. As usual Central VA moron proves they learned nothing from their time in service. I've got an office full of real marines here who wish you'd stop embarrassing them. Hilarious
An office full of jar heads, now there's a scary thought.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Feb 14, 2013
Cmon Man wrote:
If our government didn't require you to be permitted to exercise your right to defend yourself...Hilarious
so is your statement
real central va Marine

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>An office full of jar heads, now there's a scary thought.
Why does it scare you?
CvilleMechEngr

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Feb 14, 2013
god-fearer wrote:
Why does the Virginia House of Delegates
get their panties in a big ol' bunch to give away privileges to gun owners - to PROTECT their privacy - while they won't even allow debate of a bill to PROTECT people from discrimination in the workplace? Is gun owners' privacy more important than having a job with respect and without discrimination?
The two issues are unrelated. Each should be discussed on its own merits.
CvilleMechEngr

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
If we get rid of the guns the arguments become mute.
The word you want is moot. Your argument is moot because it is not feasible to get rid of guns. The gun owners won't give them up, and they have the guns. If you ask your jarheads to do it, then they will refuse. Who will get rid of the guns?
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#20 Feb 14, 2013
CvilleMechEngr wrote:
<quoted text>
The word you want is moot. Your argument is moot because it is not feasible to get rid of guns. The gun owners won't give them up, and they have the guns. If you ask your jarheads to do it, then they will refuse. Who will get rid of the guns?
The definition of moot is debatable, literally; in both senses, but the definition of superfluous isn't.
Child advocate

Alexandria, VA

#21 Feb 14, 2013
Comment wrote:
There are quite a few individuals on that list carrying a weapon for protection against someone whom they'd rather not give their name and address. This law protects their identities.
Too late, almost everyone's phone, address and an arial view of your home is on the Internet, no charge.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#22 Feb 14, 2013
Moot, mute, whatever, I thought for a nano second if I should change it but by then I said FI. Yeh, the gun cowboys will have their precious egos intact, but at what cost? how many more innocent die at their expence?

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