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Charlottesville City Council is considering ways to deal with bad behaviors caused by panhandling and loitering on the downtown mall.
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barack the magic negro

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i need these people to get me relected to my third term!!
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barack the magic negro wrote:
i need these people to get me relected to my third term!!
they been good for 2 now....speck they be around for a 3rd pull.
Third Pull

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GOP wrote:
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they been good for 2 now....speck they be around for a 3rd pull.

As long as the GOP keeps picking quacks like George W.John McCain and Mitt Rommney, i speck we will.
twinmom

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I am always ready to give a hand up to a needy person, but the sad truth is that the Beggars of C'ville don't want a hand UP, they want a hand OUT. They already get food stamps, housing, cell phones, computer access, and everything else they need from the Haven, Salvation Army, and Social Services. All they lack is money for booze, cigarettes and drugs, so they harass the mall visitors until they get it. These are not the people who came onto bad times in a poor economy and are trying to get back on their feet. They want to live free and easy, and not be bothered by the schedules and responsibility of working, or learn the social skills that will enable them to live with the rest of society.
Szakos is correct; they do have the right to be there on a public street. But I also have the right to take my business elsewhere. The City Council should be charged with contributing to their delinquency for all of the enabling it does.

The City should take their surplus revenue and GIVE IT BACK TO THE COUNTY, from where they stole it. That would be the honorable thing to do!
red nuckleberry

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Nov 19, 2012
 
It's George H.W. Bush's fault: he should have pulled out.
thinking free

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Nov 19, 2012
 
My humanity goes only so far, not far enough to enable begging. Those who fall for the lines of woe are enablers, they might be nice people but they only perpetuate the problem.
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thinking free wrote:
My humanity goes only so far, not far enough to enable begging. Those who fall for the lines of woe are enablers, they might be nice people but they only perpetuate the problem.
Do you mean like homeless shelters and soup kitchens? It seems you and twinmom have found some common ground.
thinking free

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<quoted text>Do you mean like homeless shelters and soup kitchens? It seems you and twinmom have found some common ground.
No, not the same, shelters and soup kitchens serve a valid purpose in the community, especially these days, begging is a different matter altogether. But you knew that.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Twin Mom is like most posters who see one aspect of an issue and lump all their perceptions in that same black hole knowing nothing of what they speak. Its just too easy to be dumb.
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thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>No, not the same, shelters and soup kitchens serve a valid purpose in the community, especially these days, begging is a different matter altogether. But you knew that.
I do, but I wanted to illustrate a point. I doubt those will so little esteem to which that they would beg are much different than those environmentally and genetically conditioned to patronize such services. They're unlikely the kind that is so often talked about when people talk about the abuses that occur in social programs, which have often been accused of actually being the enabling factors.
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On the flipside, the vagrancy and loitering problem on the mall is an enigma and is specifically what keeps me away from patronizing the businesses there. It's designed literally to "hang out" which is effectively loitering, and panhandling is protected by free speech. Since it's public, anti loitering and panhandling rules or statutes can't be enforced, and the patrons that the shops attract are also attracting the vagrants, loiters and vagrants; that is why I call it an enigma.
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I wasn't going to weigh in on this topic for that very reason.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
oh good grief, I meant *and pandhandlers.
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I would rather rip my dollar into shreds than allow one of those bums to waste it. Go ahead judge me.
Ok; I judge your reading comprehension skills to be undeveloped. What did you think I was saying? You obviously didn't read what I wrote.

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