Fire & Rescue Changes Take Effect in Albemarle

Albemarle Rescue Squad stop running daytime calls in Albemarle. Since the switchover at 6 a.m. Monday, one emergency call has come for Albemarle and the chief says everything worked as it should have. Full Story
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thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Feb 4, 2013
MED16 (161, Pantops) has ran 3
MED12 (121, Hollymead) has ran 1
MED15 (151, Ivy) has ran 2
MED4 (Earlysville) has ran 1 -- Jump-staffed
MED8 (Seminole) has ran 0
MED11 (111, Monticello) has ran 0

CARS has ran 5

WARS still staffs its own trucks without ACFR out and has ran 1.
SVRS is staffed by ACFR and has ran 1.
Whats the point

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Feb 4, 2013
Trust me they will become overwhelmed VERY soon. Public safety takes a hit again due to politics,money and bullheadedness!!
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Feb 4, 2013
MED16 has ran 4 first dues
MED12 has ran 1 first due and took 1 in MED8's first due
MED15 has ran 2 first dues
MED4 has ran 1 first due via jump-staffing
MED8 has ran 2 first dues
MED11 has ran 0 first due and took 1 in MED16's first due

* MED15 almost had to take one of MED8's first due but MED8 went back in-service and picked it up as their second.

CARS has ran 5

WARS has ran 1
SVRS has ran 1
Sarg

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Feb 4, 2013
I guess that's why it's called the Charlottesville-ALBEMARLE Rescue Squad. This is really disgraceful, they should have their charter revoked. And I wouldn't look very hard for donations from County residents, either.
cha CHING

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Feb 4, 2013
So we're looking at already $5K today, not too shabby for 7 hrs on a monday morning in Albemarle county.
Dave

Alexandria, VA

#6 Feb 4, 2013
As usualy, 29 gets crafty with their words...

CARS didn’t arbitrarily decide to stop running calls. They were, for a lack of a better description, backed into a corner by ACFR. First, ACFR tries to make them bill for service – CARS refused. Then, ACFR says basically,“Fine. We’ll just take our people out of your station and put them in an ambulance on the north side so we can make more money”– CARS says “Okay.” Next, ACFR unveils their “realignment” campaign stating they are planning to put ambulances in service at Seminole Trail Fire Department, at the Earlysville Fire Company, and one will run out of their office on Stagecoach Road. This ambulance will move to the Ivy station in July. What King Dan and staff failed to mentioned to us, the taxpayers, is that the ambulance that is running from their office will be staffed by two persons on overtime. ACFR did shift personnel around, but will still be required to hire back personnel until, what Queen Oprandy stated,“We work things out.” Who knows how long that will be?… But, I digress…

Now that ACFR has “realigned” their resources, CARS sent a letter stating they are now going to focus their efforts on the City and University. CARS based this decision on the fact that ACFR now had all these ambulances in service to “better serve the citizens”(and their checkbook, too). I am disgusted in the fact that ACFR is trying to make CARS look like the bad guys here when in fact, they are the rogues.

Also, don’t be fooled into thinking that ACFR just had a stash of ambulances laying around somewhere. They have to purchase new ones to maintain this “realignment” fiasco. In the meantime, they’ll be borrowing ambulances from other stations within the county and agencies outside of the county as well.

Anywho, I’ll be interested to see how this debacle turns out. Hopefully, ACFR will be able to generate enough revenue to keep the FEMA guys they just hired – after all, that’s what Queen Oprandy says (openly in a public forum) this revenue recovery is all about… Best of luck, gentlemen!
Amy

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Feb 4, 2013
Sarg wrote:
I guess that's why it's called the Charlottesville-ALBEMARLE Rescue Squad. This is really disgraceful, they should have their charter revoked. And I wouldn't look very hard for donations from County residents, either.
As per their new agreement, the county is covering their own calls from 6a-6p to make money off their residents and CARS still responds to the county on weeknights and holidays when ACFR is not as staffed
Thanks

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Feb 4, 2013
Dave --- check your "facts".
Amy

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Feb 4, 2013
Dave wrote:
As usualy, 29 gets crafty with their words...
CARS didn’t arbitrarily decide to stop running calls. They were, for a lack of a better description, backed into a corner by ACFR. First, ACFR tries to make them bill for service – CARS refused. Then, ACFR says basically,“Fine. We’ll just take our people out of your station and put them in an ambulance on the north side so we can make more money”– CARS says “Okay.” Next, ACFR unveils their “realignment” campaign stating they are planning to put ambulances in service at Seminole Trail Fire Department, at the Earlysville Fire Company, and one will run out of their office on Stagecoach Road. This ambulance will move to the Ivy station in July. What King Dan and staff failed to mentioned to us, the taxpayers, is that the ambulance that is running from their office will be staffed by two persons on overtime. ACFR did shift personnel around, but will still be required to hire back personnel until, what Queen Oprandy stated,“We work things out.” Who knows how long that will be?… But, I digress…
Now that ACFR has “realigned” their resources, CARS sent a letter stating they are now going to focus their efforts on the City and University. CARS based this decision on the fact that ACFR now had all these ambulances in service to “better serve the citizens”(and their checkbook, too). I am disgusted in the fact that ACFR is trying to make CARS look like the bad guys here when in fact, they are the rogues.
Also, don’t be fooled into thinking that ACFR just had a stash of ambulances laying around somewhere. They have to purchase new ones to maintain this “realignment” fiasco. In the meantime, they’ll be borrowing ambulances from other stations within the county and agencies outside of the county as well.
Anywho, I’ll be interested to see how this debacle turns out. Hopefully, ACFR will be able to generate enough revenue to keep the FEMA guys they just hired – after all, that’s what Queen Oprandy says (openly in a public forum) this revenue recovery is all about… Best of luck, gentlemen!
I knew that the County was planning to buy ambulances to fill their stations... but I didn't know that MED15 was running out of their office on Stagecoach Rd... I thought they were running it out of the Ivy Warehouse already
Ashamed at ACFR

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Feb 4, 2013
CARS has been a staple of Charlottesville and Albemarle for many years and is the busiest all volunteer station in the country. They do and still continue to do things the right way. EMS should be free and I applaud them for wanting to keep it this way. Albemarle County and their fire chief, Dan Eggleston, want to put money over lives. There is no way ACFR can keep up with the call with just a ambulance placed here and there, you just wait till our next storm or disaster and see how stretched they get. There may be people who perish because not enough ACFR ambulances to go around, but hey the ones they can get to they will get their money from and in the long run run isnt that what its all about Albemarle County....MONEY!!!

Keep up the good work CARS, I will continue to contribute to your good cause. You stand up for your principles and what you believe in. When you put money above human lives as Albemarle County is doing you don't deserve my support.

I hope everyone reading this donates to CARS and dont give anything to the fire departments and ACFR they are already paying themselves.
tired of taxes

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Feb 4, 2013
well, well, Mr BOYD had done it again. Taxpayers, hold onto your wallets. It is all about charging for their services. What he has not said is for every dollar they collect, they will be spending many, many, many. Translation, many millions. Taxes are going up.
He represents us well.
Thanks

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Feb 4, 2013
Ashamed at ACFR wrote:
CARS has been a staple of Charlottesville and Albemarle for many years and is the busiest all volunteer station in the country. They do and still continue to do things the right way. EMS should be free and I applaud them for wanting to keep it this way. Albemarle County and their fire chief, Dan Eggleston, want to put money over lives. There is no way ACFR can keep up with the call with just a ambulance placed here and there, you just wait till our next storm or disaster and see how stretched they get. There may be people who perish because not enough ACFR ambulances to go around, but hey the ones they can get to they will get their money from and in the long run run isnt that what its all about Albemarle County....MONEY!!!
Keep up the good work CARS, I will continue to contribute to your good cause. You stand up for your principles and what you believe in. When you put money above human lives as Albemarle County is doing you don't deserve my support.
I hope everyone reading this donates to CARS and dont give anything to the fire departments and ACFR they are already paying themselves.
You're off your rocker!! In the last year, the county has gone from 2 to 6 ambulances, CARS went from 3 to 2 --- that's a net gain of 3 from the system (not counting what Scottsville & WARS has, plus anything City Fire might have up their sleeve).
Ted

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Feb 4, 2013
cha CHING wrote:
So we're looking at already $5K today, not too shabby for 7 hrs on a monday morning in Albemarle county.
Except if it was someone who couldn't pay and claimed a hardship, then it's you and me that pays!
Crazy1

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Feb 4, 2013
Amazing how Dan Eggleston and Mr. O'Prandy have the BOS and Albemarle County right where they want them......something stinks!
Your welcome

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Feb 4, 2013
Thanks wrote:
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You're off your rocker!! In the last year, the county has gone from 2 to 6 ambulances, CARS went from 3 to 2 --- that's a net gain of 3 from the system (not counting what Scottsville & WARS has, plus anything City Fire might have up their sleeve).
City Fire responds to mutual aid fire calls and first response EMS calls in the County.
They probably will assists CARS in city EMS and UVA EMS calls as of today.

C-ARS for all intensive purposes has had 2 units during the day since two of the personnel were ACFR medics to begin with.
Those two medics has shifted to Seminole Trail for all intensive purposes (not really though) to staff one in that first due and thus C-ARS still has kept two.

ACFR has purchased an ambulance to put in Seminole using the two personnel from C-ARS so they can begin to bill for services in that area.

ACFR has acquired an ambulance (I don't know from where) for Earlysville which will be jump-staffed. This means personnel will either use the engine or the ambulance depending on call. If personnel are on the ambulance, there is basically no first due first coverage in that area since only 1 FF will be at the station. Likewise, if they are on the engine, then there is no first due ambulance.

ACFR purchased an ambulance for Pantops back in Nov 2012 so they could begin billing the Pantops-Keswick-Stony Point area.

ACFR has acquired an ambulance (I don't know from where) for their future Ivy station which according to another poster is currently staffed at Stagecoach Rd but will be staffed at the UVa Warehouse on Ivy.

WARS continues to their own trucks with a minimal of one during the day, or two. This may be why WARS has not begun to bill.

SVRS does not staff their own trucks during the day and relies on ACFR to do so.

BUYER BEWARE!!

Come 6p... ACFR staff will go home for four of the trucks and CARS will cover calls in MED8, MED15, MED16, and MED4's first due. CARS typically staff 3-5 ambulances in the evening, weekends, and holidays. So while ACFR has increasing units, it is from 6a-6p only. This is only until July 2013 when more changes will be made such as making MED8 24/7.
Ashamed at ACFR

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Feb 4, 2013
Thanks wrote:
<quoted text>
You're off your rocker!! In the last year, the county has gone from 2 to 6 ambulances, CARS went from 3 to 2 --- that's a net gain of 3 from the system (not counting what Scottsville & WARS has, plus anything City Fire might have up their sleeve).
Thanks for your input Thanks but we all know what this is about. It is about Albemarle County and it's fire rescue department wanting to put money over what is in the best interest of it's citizens. Its all about another way to increase revenue and another service they can bill for. The fire department doesnt send a homeowner a bill afterward for putting out your house fire or responding to an emergency why should you get a bill for the ambulance showing up? Dan Eggleston, John Oprandy and the entire Albemarle County BOS should be ashamed and step down because they truly don't Albemarle County best interest in mind. I am a former emergency services volunteer for Albemarle County and I know a little more about how the system works and CARS got backed into a corner and is now not serving Albemarle County community as it should be because they would not let the county force them into a corner and bow down to them and the citizens of Albemarle County are all the worse for it. As I say wait till the next winter storm or any critical situation comes up and see how ACFR does on their own without CARS. Just hope no one has to go to their grave because of political nonsense.
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Feb 4, 2013
Ashamed at ACFR wrote:
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Thanks for your input Thanks but we all know what this is about. It is about Albemarle County and it's fire rescue department wanting to put money over what is in the best interest of it's citizens. Its all about another way to increase revenue and another service they can bill for. The fire department doesnt send a homeowner a bill afterward for putting out your house fire or responding to an emergency why should you get a bill for the ambulance showing up? Dan Eggleston, John Oprandy and the entire Albemarle County BOS should be ashamed and step down because they truly don't Albemarle County best interest in mind. I am a former emergency services volunteer for Albemarle County and I know a little more about how the system works and CARS got backed into a corner and is now not serving Albemarle County community as it should be because they would not let the county force them into a corner and bow down to them and the citizens of Albemarle County are all the worse for it. As I say wait till the next winter storm or any critical situation comes up and see how ACFR does on their own without CARS. Just hope no one has to go to their grave because of political nonsense.
Correction: The County has gotten CARS to agree to bill for services. The question is who should get the money first, CARS or the County General Fund?

2nd Point: In some jurisdictions across America, fire departments are billing their people for putting out fire. It's not a commonplace but expect it to hit America in another 5-10yrs.

Final Note: The County just had their system tested. All six county units were "out of service"; fortunately, two units marked in service since they had transferred care to hospital staff to pick up the next call. But, during this test, multiple calls had "extended response time" since they were coming from different County stations (or, hospitals) rather than rely on closer units, or C-ARS.
Pumpkin

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Feb 4, 2013
CARS true colors have been exposed. They don't mind charging their patients for care as long as they can make a profit off of it. You people should wake up and see CARS for what it is - a money hungry organization that provides sub standard care. The citizens of Albemarle County will be better off when they are provided the care they deserve 24/7. When the City FD receives their ambulances, what will CARS do, claim they don't have the right to provide care to their citizens also?
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Feb 4, 2013
Pumpkin wrote:
CARS true colors have been exposed. They don't mind charging their patients for care as long as they can make a profit off of it. You people should wake up and see CARS for what it is - a money hungry organization that provides sub standard care. The citizens of Albemarle County will be better off when they are provided the care they deserve 24/7. When the City FD receives their ambulances, what will CARS do, claim they don't have the right to provide care to their citizens also?
This argument--
Do C-ARS volunteers "work" for the county and let the county make money off off their calls? or Do C-ARS volunteers support their own organization by ensuring adequate funding by itself, cutting off that of the County? CARS also provides specialty rescue that the County cannot that has to be funded and can't be "billed".

From another view, Pumpkin, would you rather work (not even volunteer) for an organization that collect for itself to pay for your paycheck (aka, assure that you have a paycheck at an agreed pay rate) or whatever equipment you may need or have your organization collect money for someone else who then decides how much you should pay based on what's left in the pot after they've taken all they need?
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Feb 4, 2013
Pumpkin wrote:
CARS true colors have been exposed. They don't mind charging their patients for care as long as they can make a profit off of it. You people should wake up and see CARS for what it is - a money hungry organization that provides sub standard care. The citizens of Albemarle County will be better off when they are provided the care they deserve 24/7. When the City FD receives their ambulances, what will CARS do, claim they don't have the right to provide care to their citizens also?
Secondly, do you think that volunteers receive inadequate training or training different that of paid staff? Did you know that some volunteers are career providers at other agencies? Did you know that all personnel whether volunteer or paid receive the same training and have to endure the same rigor to become providers? Also, there are volunteers with more experience than paid staff sometimes.

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