Harrington Civil Suit Hearing Held

Harrington Civil Suit Hearing Held

There are 80 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Apr 17, 2013, titled Harrington Civil Suit Hearing Held. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

A hearing is underway in the civil suit filed by Morgan Harrington's parents against the company that handles security at John Paul Jones Arena.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at NBC29 Charlottesville.

Gnu

Charlottesville, VA

#58 Apr 19, 2013
Nah wrote:
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How distressed was she? Not enough to call her folks, or anyone except her friends, and them just one time. To suggest that she was murdered as a direct result of being locked out is ludicrous. She had many options that would have let her wait safely for an hour or so until her friends emerged. She made a really bad decision. And she was an adult, not a child. It's not RMC's fault that she drank or took too much whatever. Face it, if she fell, she fell because she was already blotto. All this was her choice, from getting intoxicated,to storming out despite warnings that she could not teturn, to hitching a ride with a stranger. She made a bad call.
We'll see how the jury and court rules. What we think is immaterial to the outcome of the case. Don't go under another alias so i can find you again on this topic.
crozet

Gladys, VA

#60 Apr 19, 2013
I think they should get suid bc they could of helped her when she was in the bathroom instead they turned her away...
Greene Native

Ruckersville, VA

#63 Apr 20, 2013
Justice will be served wrote:
Why didn't this witness come forward for the first suit? I have read a copy of the lawsuit filed, and my first question is, if this type of concert promotes violence, and the UVA campus and surrounding area has so many assaults, as the lawsuit claims, then why was Morgan Harrington at this concert anyway?
RMC Events is amont the best in the Commonwealth of Virginia in providing security for venues. Their employees have to be licensed by DCJS, and they know what to look for and what to do in any situation.
I believe the Harrington's are just out to make money for themselves and to ruin the good name of RMC Events.
When I was 19 I took a one day class for 6 hours, shot a gun for half hour and got an armed guard cert from DCJS, security guards are not cops
IDOIT

Charlottesville, VA

#64 Apr 21, 2013
Greene Native wrote:
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When I was 19 I took a one day class for 6 hours, shot a gun for half hour and got an armed guard cert from DCJS, security guards are not cops
Exactly, and thanks for sharing.
Babysitters have more formal crisis resolution training.
They hire the cheapest goons and charge UVA top dollar for a what amounts to
high priced doormen that can't make a logical decision in a simple situation as
the one involving Ms. Harrington.
A bleeding disoriented patron wanting to re-enter is locked out into the night.
Ef'n geniuses these security folks are. High caliber security at work.
Note: I read this has happened before with a drunk patron, but they let him back in and called a cab to drive him home. To the guard that managed this situation, I commend you.


Concerned

Arlington, VA

#65 Apr 21, 2013
If you're referring to the off-duty copy they called a cab for, I don't think it said RMC let him back in; just that they called a cab. The argument is probably to say that RMC helped one patron (not one who voluntarily left despite warnings they could not return), but then didn't help Ms. Harrington. Different situation.
Concerned

Arlington, VA

#67 Apr 21, 2013
Alas, poor Morgan, you did yourself in that night. Obviously the killer is to blame -- not the parents for buying her tickets, not Metallica for making music she liked, not the friends, not RMC for enforcing their no-reentry policy after warning her not to leave, not the people who tried to help her only to be rebuffed, or those who wanted no part of hassling with you. But your decisions -- from drinking or whatever, to deciding to leave the arena, to hitch hiking instead of just waiting around for a bit -- those led you right into harm's way.
IDOIT

Charlottesville, VA

#68 Apr 21, 2013
Concerned wrote:
Alas, poor Morgan, you did yourself in that night. Obviously the killer is to blame -- not the parents for buying her tickets, not Metallica for making music she liked, not the friends, not RMC for enforcing their no-reentry policy after warning her not to leave, not the people who tried to help her only to be rebuffed, or those who wanted no part of hassling with you. But your decisions -- from drinking or whatever, to deciding to leave the arena, to hitch hiking instead of just waiting around for a bit -- those led you right into harm's way.
"instead of just waiting around for a bit" ...lol you're a genius ... why don't you offer your services to the defense team. They can't lose with you on their side
Concerned

Arlington, VA

#69 Apr 21, 2013
She left just before Metallica came on. How long did they play? An hour? Hour and a half tops? This was a campus with libraries and other places to hang out. She was not forced to try to hitch hike hours to her home. She could have waited in the lot, or perhaps outside the arena near the ticket window under cover and even heard the show.

I don't think the defense can lose because the suit is ridiculous, trying to claim that the arena caused her murder. The murderer caused her murder. Now, if and when they catch him, I think they've got a tough road to prove that fact, but they can at least get him for the earlier assault in Fairfax.
IDOIT

Charlottesville, VA

#70 Apr 22, 2013
Concerned wrote:
She left just before Metallica came on. How long did they play? An hour? Hour and a half tops? This was a campus with libraries and other places to hang out. She was not forced to try to hitch hike hours to her home. She could have waited in the lot, or perhaps outside the arena near the ticket window under cover and even heard the show.
I don't think the defense can lose because the suit is ridiculous, trying to claim that the arena caused her murder. The murderer caused her murder. Now, if and when they catch him, I think they've got a tough road to prove that fact, but they can at least get him for the earlier assault in Fairfax.
A bleeding, disoriented patron with impaired judgement (concussion, drugs ...?) waiting in the dark in the lot? Really? The arena didn't cause her murder (get off this train of thought pinhead, nobody said that), they contributed to her demise (akin to contributory negligence). Had she left and and killed herself in a car accident, same lawsuit. Had she killed you, a lawsuit by someone that cared/loved you.
Now, if anybody, including her, had simply left and never attempted to regain entrance, that would be a different issue. The security guard(s) screwed up in a big way by not
reacting professionally and intelligently to the situation at hand.
Whats up with VA

Hot Springs, SD

#71 Apr 22, 2013
Why is there so little information online about this missing girl from Virginia?

www.argusleader.com/article/20130422/ARGUS911...

It was on the evening news, but I can't seem to find anything on the circumstances of her disappearance.
Whats up with VA

Hot Springs, SD

#72 Apr 22, 2013
Some of the comments on this board sound sick, a lot of blame-the-victim stuff. Same way that predators think.
Whats up with VA

Hot Springs, SD

#73 Apr 22, 2013
This missing girl from Virginia was apparently driven to South Dakota, where her abductor, also from Virginia apparently, tried to rob a store:

www.argusleader.com/article/20130422/ARGUS911...

It's all over the news tonight, but I can't find any info online about the circumstances of her abduction, or why a Virginian would think he could hide out in a flat grasslands, small town state like South Dakota. Anyone know what happened to the girl, and what they're doing here?
Whats up with VA

Hot Springs, SD

#74 Apr 22, 2013
Never mind, they caught him already, around the same time it was airing on TV news. Cops picked him up in Nebraska. No idea how he was going to hide there. Nothing but corn stubble in flat fields this time of year. Not the brightest predator.
Concerned

Arlington, VA

#75 Apr 23, 2013
Idoit, you said: The arena didn't cause her murder (get off this train of thought pinhead, nobody said that)

Actually, the lawsuit says this. That's what proximate cause means: "Proximate cause is the primary cause of an injury. It is not necessarily the closest cause in time or space nor the first event that sets in motion a sequence of events leading to an injury. Proximate cause produces particular, foreseeable consequences without the intervention of any independent or unforeseeable cause. It is also known as legal cause.

They're trying to argue that anyone would have known this patron would be murdered if not allowed an exception to the no-return policy. You're calling Gil a pinhead.
Josephine

Charlottesville, VA

#76 Apr 23, 2013
Let's change the events of that night. Morgan, like the smart young woman she has been purported to have been, stayed inside the arena in accordance with rules she undoubtedly knew. The arena allows someone, either male or female, to exit and then return. He/she was feeling sick and needed air so he/she said. That person, who loaded up on alcohol or drugs while outside, reenters feeling better now so he/she tells the door attendant. He/she just happens to be sitting near Morgan. He/she, now high, stabs unsuspecting, innocent Morgan without any warning. Would the arena be sued because they ignored their policy of no re-entry, thus exposing a concert goer to his/her presence and death as the result of his/her actions.
Concerned

Arlington, VA

#126 Apr 27, 2013
I feel bad for everyone. Poor Morgan and her unfortunate decisions that day. Her friends, who must be riddled with guilt. Her family that misses her terribly. RMC, that's been dragged into this as a cash cow. The police and Metallica, both of which have been thrown under the bus despite doing their best to help. The loyal band of followers caught up in a web of exploitation. What a mess.
Justified case

United States

#129 Apr 28, 2013
People here must have some strong feelings to continue commenting for so long. I'm also seeing a lot of speculation on the young lady's mental condition, without any evidence to back that up in any of the articles that I've seen on it.

I don't have time to read each comment, but I will say this. If you go to a bar and get drunk, then leave in your car and kill someone, the bar will probably lose its liquor license. That's in any state. They'd also be sued by the victim's family and anyone injured in the intoxicated person's car, possibly even the drunk driver.

Even if the Harrington's lawsuit is a test case, it's still a case with legal merit. If it had no merit, the judge would have thrown it out already. Judges throw out all kinds of things, many with at least some legal merit, if they feel there isn't enough evidence or legal justification to proceed.

This particular case has a good chance of succeeding in my opinion. I'm not a lawyer but have worked for major law firms and insurance companies in the past.

For those not in the legal field, you may be interested to learn that the more shocking the case, the higher the award in general.

Young lady needs medical attention at your business and you turn her away, then she passes out and hits her head with some medical bills. Decent award, medical bills plus some punitive damages, thousands or tens of thousands depending upon the injuries.

Young lady needs medical attention at your business and is turned away, brutally raped and murdered by serial rapist, possibly serial killer. Millions of dollars.

The amount of this lawsuit is appropriate, whether you can wrap your heads around it or not. What happened to Morgan Harrington is more than shocking. It's an outrage. Juries will want to punish the business that helped it to happen, and that's what punitive damages are designed to do. If businesses weren't financially punished, they'd continue to harm people and write it off as another cost of doing business.
Concerned

Arlington, VA

#130 Apr 28, 2013
Here's the rub. She didn't die from the scrape on her chin. The venue didn't serve her alcohol. Whatever she was on, she got it illegally elsewhere, as she was underage. Virgiinia is one of the three or four states that have a contributory negligence doo-dah. That thing, which essentially means even if the venue is 99% responsible for what happened, but Ms. Harrington is 1% responsible, her contribution towards what happened negates any legal award. So even in a case in the great Commonwealth of VA where the jury found for the lady horribly injured by medication, and awarded hr $3.5 mil (the original claim in Morgan's case), the judge negated the cash award due to the contributory negligence of the lady who took the meds. So, sure, she can win thanks to 3 years of PR, but I doubt very much her folks will ever see a dime.
Huh

Manassas, VA

#134 Apr 29, 2013
They have blamed in this lawsuit RMC, the band and it's violent music (nevemind how kind this band has been to the Harringtons,) and the Charlottesville area around the venue. How about suing the friends who knew her best and were the ones who let her walk away, or themselves for buying her the tickets? This is all about the Harringtons, not about the next girl. They have never once publicly considered the fact that Morgan could have helped herself and prevented this whole thing by staying sober and sticking woth her group of friends. That should be the primary lesson out of this disaster. Until the Harringtonsin admit that, their mission looks like a farse.
Fram

Charlottesville, VA

#135 Apr 29, 2013
Huh wrote:
They have blamed in this lawsuit RMC, the band and it's violent music (nevemind how kind this band has been to the Harringtons,) and the Charlottesville area around the venue. How about suing the friends who knew her best and were the ones who let her walk away, or themselves for buying her the tickets? This is all about the Harringtons, not about the next girl. They have never once publicly considered the fact that Morgan could have helped herself and prevented this whole thing by staying sober and sticking woth her group of friends. That should be the primary lesson out of this disaster. Until the Harringtonsin admit that, their mission looks like a farse.
You just can't relate. So sad.

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