Since: Jul 11

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#21 Nov 20, 2013
child of God wrote:
I'll agree religion is man made. The bible tells us not to forsake coming together and in my experience having a church Family lends support. Not all churches are for everyone just like not all Christians are hypocrites and not all people who don't go to church are "bad" people. Religion doesn't guarantee heaven only a pure relationship with Jesus does. I've experienced bad and good in churches but no four walls can hold my relationship with god, just as no person can judge it. Not mine or anyones. I do think if you want to find a church, there's one out there for you, it just may take some searching. The important thing is not what church you attend but where you stand with Jesus. Just my thoughts.
How do you have a relationship with someone you have never met, seen, heard, or know for sure exists? This just kills me when people say this.
Delivery of the Truth

Scottsville, KY

#22 Nov 20, 2013
Faith

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#23 Nov 21, 2013
So pretend?

I can have a personal relationship with Elvis if I talk to myself?
child of God

United States

#24 Nov 21, 2013
southern alien wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you have a relationship with someone you have never met, seen, heard, or know for sure exists? This just kills me when people say this.
the standard question of those who choose not to believe. If you honestly view that question it doesn't make logical sense, it's the same as me asking how you breathe when you can't see the air or how you love when you can't see or feel it. Just as feelings of love cannot be verified, only the effects, feelings with god have been not been proven but their effects verified. Your welcome to believe or not believe however you wish however your opinion doesn't offer any proof or lack thereof of my beliefs or anyone else's. To answer your question, Jesus gave his life for me so I choose to believe in him and I can feel and my life shows the effects of that, just as my marriage shows evidence is my love and effects my life. I've been in both mine and your viewpoint and while your welcome to choose your beliefs or lack thereof and I won't attack you for it, I assure you my life is much better due to the relationship I choose to have.
Delivery of the Truth

Scottsville, KY

#25 Nov 21, 2013
child of God wrote:
<quoted text>
the standard question of those who choose not to believe. If you honestly view that question it doesn't make logical sense, it's the same as me asking how you breathe when you can't see the air or how you love when you can't see or feel it. Just as feelings of love cannot be verified, only the effects, feelings with god have been not been proven but their effects verified. Your welcome to believe or not believe however you wish however your opinion doesn't offer any proof or lack thereof of my beliefs or anyone else's. To answer your question, Jesus gave his life for me so I choose to believe in him and I can feel and my life shows the effects of that, just as my marriage shows evidence is my love and effects my life. I've been in both mine and your viewpoint and while your welcome to choose your beliefs or lack thereof and I won't attack you for it, I assure you my life is much better due to the relationship I choose to have.
That is a great answer and such feelings that go with it make it so strong and caring.

“Dark Bike Riding”

Since: Jan 13

Pedaling Against Crime

#26 Nov 21, 2013
In case anyone wants to explore what we are talking about;

1.Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
2.Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
3.Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
5.Honor thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
6.Thou shalt not kill.
7.Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
8.Neither shalt thou steal.
9.Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10.Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbor's.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#27 Nov 21, 2013
child of God wrote:
<quoted text>
the standard question of those who choose not to believe. If you honestly view that question it doesn't make logical sense, it's the same as me asking how you breathe when you can't see the air or how you love when you can't see or feel it. Just as feelings of love cannot be verified, only the effects, feelings with god have been not been proven but their effects verified. Your welcome to believe or not believe however you wish however your opinion doesn't offer any proof or lack thereof of my beliefs or anyone else's. To answer your question, Jesus gave his life for me so I choose to believe in him and I can feel and my life shows the effects of that, just as my marriage shows evidence is my love and effects my life. I've been in both mine and your viewpoint and while your welcome to choose your beliefs or lack thereof and I won't attack you for it, I assure you my life is much better due to the relationship I choose to have.
We can prove air or love exist. Pump smoke in it and we can see the air, study someones brain and you can see the chemicals that are love.

Whats your evidence that Jesus died for you?

I don't 'choose' to not believe any more than you can choose to believe you can fly. You either do or you don't based on evidence you have seen.
Delivery of the Truth

Scottsville, KY

#28 Nov 21, 2013
southern alien wrote:
<quoted text>
We can prove air or love exist. Pump smoke in it and we can see the air, study someones brain and you can see the chemicals that are love.
Whats your evidence that Jesus died for you?
I don't 'choose' to not believe any more than you can choose to believe you can fly. You either do or you don't based on evidence you have seen.
I feel so sorry for you not being able to feel the spirit of God. There is no way to tell you what your missing and no way for you to know what it feels like to have his forgiveness. Only in faith in God will you see the light. We will pray for you hoping He will not let the devil keep possessing your thoughts. I hate to see any person burn in hell and that's where you will be for ever if you don't see the light.
child of God

United States

#29 Nov 21, 2013
southern alien wrote:
<quoted text>
We can prove air or love exist. Pump smoke in it and we can see the air, study someones brain and you can see the chemicals that are love.
Dear I won't argue the Logic of your question however chemicals they we have deemed and labeled love are shown, just add serotonin ("love" chemical) is shown in those staying they are experiencing gods presence. Furthermore I don't need a brain chemical to be detected to tell me I love someone, it's a feeling I know and recognize, the same as I know and recognize god's presence. I don't need nor am I the one asking for proof,i Know my god. You, along with everyone else will believe what you want to, it sounds as though this is less about your beliefs and
more about you proving a point,i honestly

wonars to matter so much to you. no offense and I do hope you find something you can believe in that makes your brain release serotonin. I. E. Happiness :)
child of God

United States

#30 Nov 21, 2013
.* typo I meant wonder sorry

Since: Oct 13

United States

#31 Nov 21, 2013
Bicycle Batman wrote:
In case anyone wants to explore what we are talking about;
1.Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
2.Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
3.Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
5.Honor thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
6.Thou shalt not kill.
7.Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
8.Neither shalt thou steal.
9.Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10.Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbor's.
Sounds like a jealous and presumptuous "god" to me.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#32 Nov 21, 2013
Delivery of the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>I feel so sorry for you not being able to feel the spirit of God. There is no way to tell you what your missing and no way for you to know what it feels like to have his forgiveness. Only in faith in God will you see the light. We will pray for you hoping He will not let the devil keep possessing your thoughts. I hate to see any person burn in hell and that's where you will be for ever if you don't see the light.
If you hate seeing anyone burn in hell, why would you worship an evil bastard that does such a thing?

What do you need forgiving from?

The feeling you get in church is the same as people get at a concert by one of their favorite bands. Its a intangible spiritual feeling that can't be conveyed to other people.
what now

United States

#33 Nov 21, 2013
southern alien wrote:
<quoted text>
If you hate seeing anyone burn in hell, why would you worship an evil bastard that does such a thing?
What do you need forgiving from?
The feeling you get in church is the same as people get at a concert by one of their favorite bands. Its a intangible spiritual feeling that can't be conveyed to other people.
.
Whoa! Easy now! What Delivery said. God is Love! No evil in Him, zero,zilch! No matter what. Check it out. I hope this helps.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#34 Nov 21, 2013
So drowning the entire planet including babies and animals, telling his followers to wipe out entire cities including women, children, and animals, and torturing and burning people forever is love?

What the crap! Have you ever read the bible?
what now

United States

#35 Nov 21, 2013
southern alien wrote:
So drowning the entire planet including babies and animals, telling his followers to wipe out entire cities including women, children, and animals, and torturing and burning people forever is love?
What the crap! Have you ever read the bible?
Yes. Pretty real ain't it? The whole world in His hands. No forsaking.' God is Love'still stands. Zero, zilch, nada, no evil in Him!

Since: Oct 13

United States

#36 Nov 22, 2013
southern alien wrote:
So drowning the entire planet including babies and animals, telling his followers to wipe out entire cities including women, children, and animals, and torturing and burning people forever is love?
What the crap! Have you ever read the bible?
This. But they'll argue that that's Old Testament jibberish.

Since: Oct 13

United States

#37 Nov 22, 2013
There are multiple aspects of Christianity that I hate but the one I truly don't understand the most is that they believe if you don't find Christ then you will burn in a lake of fire for eternity. Is that fear by intimidation or what? Anyway, they believe that if you're a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever, you will burn in a lake of fire for not believing Christ came to fruition by way of a ghost knocking up a virgin and giving birth to a god. I get it. I don't want this life to be just it. But I'm also not gonna sell out because I'm scared that this is my only existence. I choose to question it. Why? Because I have a brain. And apparently "god" gave me a brain and I choose to use it. Not to blindly accept what everyone else is taught to believe. And having "faith" is a completely subjective term. It is what you perceive it to be. It's in your own mind. Don't ever argue for faith because there's absolutely nothing to back it up. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. And yes, I am educated. I graduated from the University if Kentucky, I am doing well in life, and I have a lot to be thankful for. But a little common sense, not a belief in a ghost got me there. And I'm very, very thankful for that.
child of God

United States

#38 Nov 22, 2013
You know, this has clearly upset some people and for that I apologize, it was not my intention. God is love and for me nothing will change that, I've seen miracles and witnessed lives changed and with an extensive background in medical and mental health I am educated to know what I am witnessing. I was did not find god out of fear and agree if one does then there likely not to truly have found a relationship. Believing or not does not make someone a bad person or one better than another. It simply changes your end result, in some opinions.
I for one will not back down from my beliefs, however, I won't argue over it. That accomplishes nothing. I hope that everyone here finds peace, joy and happiness in some form in their lives. God was the only thing that could give me a peace that I didn't have to earn,. Maybe you'll find something different. Good luck
Delivery of the Truth

Scottsville, KY

#39 Nov 22, 2013
As the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I pray for you all. If you don't believe as I do I feel sorry for you. I hope all people will get what I have. Sadly I know some will never have it. Money and education sometime makes it harder to find him but you can still do it.

“Dark Bike Riding”

Since: Jan 13

Pedaling Against Crime

#40 Nov 22, 2013
Michael F Jox wrote:
There are multiple aspects of Christianity that I hate but the one I truly don't understand the most is that they believe if you don't find Christ then you will burn in a lake of fire for eternity. Is that fear by intimidation or what? Anyway, they believe that if you're a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, or whatever, you will burn in a lake of fire for not believing Christ came to fruition by way of a ghost knocking up a virgin and giving birth to a god. I get it. I don't want this life to be just it. But I'm also not gonna sell out because I'm scared that this is my only existence. I choose to question it. Why? Because I have a brain. And apparently "god" gave me a brain and I choose to use it. Not to blindly accept what everyone else is taught to believe. And having "faith" is a completely subjective term. It is what you perceive it to be. It's in your own mind. Don't ever argue for faith because there's absolutely nothing to back it up. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. And yes, I am educated. I graduated from the University if Kentucky, I am doing well in life, and I have a lot to be thankful for. But a little common sense, not a belief in a ghost got me there. And I'm very, very thankful for that.
You mentioned you are very thankful for certain things. Thankful to who? Yourself? Some other god? It sounds like you worship yourself. How far is that going to get you.
Does anything "humble" you? Not Jesus's sacrifice? Then does anything? Do you humble yourself? You sound very independent.

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