Are we defined by our past?

“Is who I am”

Since: Aug 08

Scottsville

#61 May 15, 2013
Patriot Dad wrote:
Thanks for all the comments. In my opinion this is what this site should be used for, Civil discussions.
Some believe that you are a product of your mistakes and are doomed to repeat them for eternity. Others think that mistakes will be made but lessons can be learned.
My next question. Should these mistakes (no matter how small) be brought to this site for a public review?
Actually, I don't believe that we should bring up people's mistakes and problems on here. I don't think it helps people if you do, in fact, it can make it worse for them.
redneck rehab

United States

#62 May 15, 2013
I dont have a drinkin problem its everybody that has a problem and im not goin to AA thats for quitters
judge not

United States

#63 May 15, 2013
RoamingInsomniac wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I don't believe that we should bring up people's mistakes and problems on here. I don't think it helps people if you do, in fact, it can make it worse for them.
i compleltely agree.
tinponyrider

Westmoreland, TN

#64 May 15, 2013
My 2 cents wrote:
I think this has been an interesting discussion.
This is what Topix ought to be about -- people discussing an idea -- rather than coming on here to talk trash about someone.
Most everyone who has commented here has said something that I could agree with to some degree.
Lets all do this more often.
Well I personally think that this discussion accomplished absolutely nothing. Oh well, just my opinion.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#65 May 16, 2013
tinponyrider wrote:
<quoted text>Well I personally think that this discussion accomplished absolutely nothing. Oh well, just my opinion.
The thread was strted to point out the fact that day in and day out people get on here and run down others for the mistakes they make. It was started to maybe bring to light the fact that we all make mistakes and none of us would like their mistakes to become a thread. It was also started to point out that people can learn from their past and become better people if they are allowed to. You want this town to move forward? We have to stop living in the past. Put the past behind us.
tinponyrider

Westmoreland, TN

#66 May 16, 2013
Patriot Dad wrote:
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The thread was strted to point out the fact that day in and day out people get on here and run down others for the mistakes they make. It was started to maybe bring to light the fact that we all make mistakes and none of us would like their mistakes to become a thread. It was also started to point out that people can learn from their past and become better people if they are allowed to. You want this town to move forward? We have to stop living in the past. Put the past behind us.
But I still do not think that the discussion accomplished nothing. As far as living in the past and not being able to progress, is held back by many of the elders. The Turners hurt this town so bad by not wanting any decent paying jobs to come here in which would have made them pay a liveable wage.

I heard once when Wagner came here that a mayor told them that they didn't have to pay as much as they did elsewhere.

Oh well on with the future.
Patriot Dad

Greensburg, KY

#67 May 16, 2013
tinponyrider wrote:
<quoted text>But I still do not think that the discussion accomplished nothing. As far as living in the past and not being able to progress, is held back by many of the elders. The Turners hurt this town so bad by not wanting any decent paying jobs to come here in which would have made them pay a liveable wage.
I heard once when Wagner came here that a mayor told them that they didn't have to pay as much as they did elsewhere.
Oh well on with the future.
I have heard this story many times. As far as I can tell the Turners no longer own the town. Time to move on. The only ones who will move this town ahead are the people who live here.
We have many issues that need to be addressed. There is no white night to comepull us out of the tar pit we are stuck in. we must work together. Reliving the past over and over only gets us deeper in the muck.
old man

Lafayette, TN

#68 May 16, 2013
yep

“Dark Bike Riding”

Since: Jan 13

Pedaling Against Crime

#69 May 16, 2013
Patriot Dad wrote:
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I have heard this story many times. As far as I can tell the Turners no longer own the town. Time to move on. The only ones who will move this town ahead are the people who live here.
We have many issues that need to be addressed. There is no white night to comepull us out of the tar pit we are stuck in. we must work together. Reliving the past over and over only gets us deeper in the muck.
There may be no white knight, but there is a Dark Bike, and he'll be returning soon.
As soon as I get my PC back that Catwoman broke.

“Is who I am”

Since: Aug 08

Scottsville

#70 May 16, 2013
Bicycle Batman wrote:
<quoted text>There may be no white knight, but there is a Dark Bike, and he'll be returning soon.
As soon as I get my PC back that Catwoman broke.
You and cat woman gotta stop doing those NASTY things on that computer!
tinponyrider

Westmoreland, TN

#71 May 17, 2013
Patriot Dad wrote:
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I have heard this story many times. As far as I can tell the Turners no longer own the town. Time to move on. The only ones who will move this town ahead are the people who live here.
We have many issues that need to be addressed. There is no white night to comepull us out of the tar pit we are stuck in. we must work together. Reliving the past over and over only gets us deeper in the muck.
Your White Knights are our elected politicians. Hopefully the ones that get elected will be the ones that don't sell the people out.

So other that electing the right officials, how would you propose for the people to move on?

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#72 May 17, 2013
tinponyrider wrote:
<quoted text>Your White Knights are our elected politicians. Hopefully the ones that get elected will be the ones that don't sell the people out.
So other that electing the right officials, how would you propose for the people to move on?
It's been a long night. I will get back to you after I have rested some. I guess the first thing to do would get the right people into office if that is the root cause. More to come TPR.
so true

United States

#73 May 17, 2013
God pardons like a mother , who kisses the offense into everlasting forgiveness.. So I think we will be okay.
truman

Lafayette, TN

#74 May 17, 2013
i grew up in a good loveing home, my parents worked hard so we could have nice things, but during my teenage years i took a wrong turn down one of lives roads, and done a lot of foolish things, i hurt the people that cared the most about me,while i was rebelling against everything, but later in live i got saved by the grace of god, and was forgiven of all my sins and transgressions, and it was evident that god truely forgave me, the hard part was forgiveing myself,since god has came in my life i no longer have the desire to do the things of my past, i dont dwell on the past cause thats just what it is the past
tinponyrider

Westmoreland, TN

#75 May 17, 2013
truman wrote:
i grew up in a good loveing home, my parents worked hard so we could have nice things, but during my teenage years i took a wrong turn down one of lives roads, and done a lot of foolish things, i hurt the people that cared the most about me,while i was rebelling against everything, but later in live i got saved by the grace of god, and was forgiven of all my sins and transgressions, and it was evident that god truely forgave me, the hard part was forgiveing myself,since god has came in my life i no longer have the desire to do the things of my past, i dont dwell on the past cause that's just what it is the past
Exactly! You are proof that people that want to change can change.
Come On

Elizabethtown, KY

#76 May 17, 2013
Quit worrying what people are saying about you. And put the focus on your future.
My 2 cents

Warrenton, VA

#77 May 20, 2013
tinponyrider wrote:
<quoted text>But I still do not think that the discussion accomplished nothing. As far as living in the past and not being able to progress, is held back by many of the elders. The Turners hurt this town so bad by not wanting any decent paying jobs to come here in which would have made them pay a liveable wage.
I heard once when Wagner came here that a mayor told them that they didn't have to pay as much as they did elsewhere.
Oh well on with the future.
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TPR said, "I heard once when Wagner came here that a mayor told them that they didn't have to pay as much as they did elsewhere".

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Think about that a minute.

The mayor doesn't set the wages, nor does he have any power to "allow" someone to pay less, nor to influence what a company pays.

Seems to me that he was just pointing out the obvious (if he did say it). Scottsville factories and businesses have a somewhat lower prevailing wage that some other cities around us. Why should he not tell them that?

It is part of his job to lure new business here, isn't it?

Lower operating costs (labor, etc) might influence them to locate here when they might not otherwise not do so.

Would we be better off if he didn't say that -- and they ended up locating their plant in Franklin instead of here? I don't think so.

It seems to me that he would have been negligent in his duties had he not pointed out all the facts that might influence them to open a plant here.

Again, TPR, the mayor has nothing to do with the level of wages Wagner pays it's employees. Wagner determines that.
tinponyrider

Westmoreland, TN

#78 May 20, 2013
My 2 cents wrote:
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TPR said, "I heard once when Wagner came here that a mayor told them that they didn't have to pay as much as they did elsewhere".
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Think about that a minute.
The mayor doesn't set the wages, nor does he have any power to "allow" someone to pay less, nor to influence what a company pays.
Seems to me that he was just pointing out the obvious (if he did say it). Scottsville factories and businesses have a somewhat lower prevailing wage that some other cities around us. Why should he not tell them that?
It is part of his job to lure new business here, isn't it?
Lower operating costs (labor, etc) might influence them to locate here when they might not otherwise not do so.
Would we be better off if he didn't say that -- and they ended up locating their plant in Franklin instead of here? I don't think so.
It seems to me that he would have been negligent in his duties had he not pointed out all the facts that might influence them to open a plant here.
Again, TPR, the mayor has nothing to do with the level of wages Wagner pays it's employees. Wagner determines that.
I do understand what you are saying, but I also do believe that the mayor or any other official in authority can have an influence of what a company could/would offer as an hourly wage. I personally am not that interested at this time in my life a job that pays so little that a person cannot make a decent living.

I feel that what ever a company pays as a wage, controls the caliber of employee that they get. If they pay 10.00 an hour that is all they get in return from an employee. If they paid 20.00 they would more that likely get a better return on their money.

I do not work in this town for that reason. Over the years I have traveled far just to make a honest decent wage.

And you would say that 10.00 is better than nothing. Yes maybe it is, but can a person take care of a family at that wage? This is one reason that so many people that do work and have a few children still live on welfare and food stamps.

Oh well.
tinponyrider

Westmoreland, TN

#79 May 20, 2013
And that is My 2 Cent Worth...

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#80 May 21, 2013
tinponyrider wrote:
<quoted text>I do understand what you are saying, but I also do believe that the mayor or any other official in authority can have an influence of what a company could/would offer as an hourly wage. I personally am not that interested at this time in my life a job that pays so little that a person cannot make a decent living.
I feel that what ever a company pays as a wage, controls the caliber of employee that they get. If they pay 10.00 an hour that is all they get in return from an employee. If they paid 20.00 they would more that likely get a better return on their money.
I do not work in this town for that reason. Over the years I have traveled far just to make a honest decent wage.
And you would say that 10.00 is better than nothing. Yes maybe it is, but can a person take care of a family at that wage? This is one reason that so many people that do work and have a few children still live on welfare and food stamps.
Oh well.
I would say that $10 would be enough if the government didn't take two thirds of it in taxes and fees. My 2 cents.

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