Savage killing, sex at heart of Jodi Arias murder trial

Jan 8, 2013 Full story: KTVK Phoenix 679

A nude Jodi Arias on Travis Alexander's bed. A naked Alexander in the shower. Then minutes later, an image of Alexander stabbed and slashed nearly 30 times in the heart, back, hands and torso, shot in the head, his throat slit from ear to ear.

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LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#541 Apr 23, 2013
Oasis wrote:
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Hell, music videos are damn near porn.
Hey, resident S&M expert, do think gun-play could have been added to up their level of excitement?
I shudder to think what these two could have "explored".
Could have happen, to up their game, as you put it. Do you know about the Scene, as they call it. Saw some of this at those LA Parties ... I went to meet those kinky labrarians and nurses, who like to attend ... most are not into this hard core insanity.

Just not damn near porn vids, have S & M stuff, and much more.
Ever check the one's on Wallking Street in Thailand
hybridlment

Lexington, KY

#542 Apr 24, 2013
The computer showed that he had accessed You Tube and watched 3 different videos of Daft Hands. It's far from pornographic. It's becoming less and less clear to me why this has become about Travis, and not Jodi. Jodi was the uneducated waitress who lived off people, had few friends, a disturbing past, lies pathologically and brutally slaughtered a man for "abandoning" her. She's on trial, not him. The defense keeps grasping but they're getting nowhere.

Juries can be odd, and there's no way of predicting what they'll do. However, Jodi Arias needs to be out of society for what she's done. Travis' biggest sin at this point seems to be that he was sexually active and wanted Jodi out of his life.
Buddyette

Johnson City, TN

#543 Apr 24, 2013
really wrote:
<quoted text> she had to have taken off her socks, washed her feet & walked through the closet to leave. Only way.
I believe the surmise is (do not remember the source) that she had cut her hands and therefore dragged him to shower to get HER blood off him. She evidently was savvier about DNA than about camera chips. Amazing how well one can cope while in a fog. It was her real life "Abe Lincoln level" IQ (hah)that failed her. I really didn't like her saying Pres. Lincoln's name and muddying it. She should be executed for several small things.(I am facetitious here.)
hybridlment

Lexington, KY

#544 Apr 24, 2013
Fog, who (except Jodi) cares how smart she is? Travis was smart, too, you're smart, I'm smart - what does that have to do with being killed or killing? What is their point in the "smart" thing? This is not an academic contest, it's a murder trial.

Travis was full of himself, and I doubt I'd want to spend large amounts of time listening to him (or her). But he was employed, owned his home, car, had tons of friends, family that actually liked him, and other than Jodi his life was pretty normal. Not one person has disputed that he was a "good guy", not violent or abusive. Just Jodi, the phenomenal liar/chameleon, who is on trial for his murder.

I can't believe there is a juror that hasn't seen through the fog they've tried to create. When it clears, they have to see that she's the only really rotten apple in the bunch.
Fog Lifter

Spring, TX

#545 Apr 24, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Fog, who (except Jodi) cares how smart she is? Travis was smart, too, you're smart, I'm smart - what does that have to do with being killed or killing? What is their point in the "smart" thing? This is not an academic contest, it's a murder trial.
Travis was full of himself, and I doubt I'd want to spend large amounts of time listening to him (or her). But he was employed, owned his home, car, had tons of friends, family that actually liked him, and other than Jodi his life was pretty normal. Not one person has disputed that he was a "good guy", not violent or abusive. Just Jodi, the phenomenal liar/chameleon, who is on trial for his murder.
I can't believe there is a juror that hasn't seen through the fog they've tried to create. When it clears, they have to see that she's the only really rotten apple in the bunch.
My point was that she/they found some way to skew the IQ score by having her score PERFECT in verbal comprehension. She isn't that verbally astute, so that points to someone getting her a copy of the test or prepping her for the kinds of tests she was going to be taking. Usually, when I'm watching the trial, I'm watching her to see when she reacts to something. I remember her reacting when I believe it was Mott's Green Apple Bottomed Babe grilling Dr. DeMarte about what could happen if copyrighted tests got into the wrong hands. I need to go back and play the footage, but frankly I'm getting bored with the trial. I'm just hoping that they are stupid enough to go for manslaughter and she is back out on the street where she will live in fear/paranoia the rest of her days, however long or short that might be. There are many who would most likely be keeping tabs on her.
Lexington

United States

#546 Apr 24, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Fog, who (except Jodi) cares how smart she is? Travis was smart, too, you're smart, I'm smart - what does that have to do with being killed or killing? What is their point in the "smart" thing? This is not an academic contest, it's a murder trial.
Travis was full of himself, and I doubt I'd want to spend large amounts of time listening to him (or her). But he was employed, owned his home, car, had tons of friends, family that actually liked him, and other than Jodi his life was pretty normal. Not one person has disputed that he was a "good guy", not violent or abusive. Just Jodi, the phenomenal liar/chameleon, who is on trial for his murder.
I can't believe there is a juror that hasn't seen through the fog they've tried to create. When it clears, they have to see that she's the only really rotten apple in the bunch.
I wonder how some attorney's look in the mirror. The things these two have said during this trial. I understand everyone deserves a defense but these two should be put on trial next for killing him again. I thought Nerdi's cross yesterday was just dreadful, rude, and crude.
hybridlment

Lexington, KY

#547 Apr 24, 2013
I'm starting to tire of the trial, too. I think we're nearing the end now, and I believe the State's closing argument will pull it together sufficiently. However, you never know what one of those 12 people might think that would skew it all.

If she gets back on the street, there will be some foolish male in heat who will fall for it. Whether he'll die as a result, who knows. I do think she's crazily dangerous and don't buy into anything she's presented as defense. Nothing.

My daughter is a defense attorney, so I have to weigh any villainization of the counsel lol. Look what they're working with. I'm sure she disgusts them to no end, too.
Lexington

United States

#548 Apr 24, 2013
My Daughter is in law school. I hope that she will have more ethics than to stand up and lie about a dead man. I hope yours does too.
Buddyette

Johnson City, TN

#549 Apr 24, 2013
Some of you all out there must please get through to Juan Martinez. Put a note on his car. LOL

His passion for his case is good, but he must articulate his summation first in writing and insist that his clerks or assistant d.a.'s must critique and contribute...for a blind spot, for too much attention to detail, etc. He can always add his passion to his clear arguments. I think we can count on it, in fact. lol

And I like what the poster above said about actions that constitute premeditation. I believe she had ample opportunities to decide not to murder him, like when he stood at the sink wheezing blood and turned his back on his killer.
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#550 Apr 24, 2013
Buddyette wrote:
Some of you all out there must please get through to Juan Martinez. Put a note on his car. LOL
His passion for his case is good, but he must articulate his summation first in writing and insist that his clerks or assistant d.a.'s must critique and contribute...for a blind spot, for too much attention to detail, etc. He can always add his passion to his clear arguments. I think we can count on it, in fact. lol
And I like what the poster above said about actions that constitute premeditation. I believe she had ample opportunities to decide not to murder him, like when he stood at the sink wheezing blood and turned his back on his killer.
When I read the report compiled by Det. Flores (just the facts) it became clear to me that there were two doors to the closet. She would not have been trapped in the closet and she could have escaped through several doors out of what they called his apt.
There's lots of oddities that come to mind such as staging some of it. Someone wearing her pants and shoes and her taking pics. I do believe she is crazy and did want photos of him dead. There's always a distant possibility that someone else wanted him dead, but she would have to supply photos for proof. I could see her do something for GAIN even more than for PASSION. She seems like a cold fish most of the time and only fake cries when it appears that is what she SHOULD be doing.
Sometimes she appears almost schizoid, other times like some of the Aspies that committed horrific crimes. While they have her incarcerated and have the means to test and diagnosis her, every ROCK should be turned over and look under every BUSH.
As for the defense attorneys, I realize they are doing their jobs and want to continue in their careers.
Mott's was mainly annoying when she springing up every 5 seconds and smirking or making little victory ah's when she got her way. Since then, it seems even she has realized that she shouldn't be trying so hard to free a murderer. The evidence is damning. The only question I have left is if she took someone with her on the trip or met up with someone else afterwards besides Ryan Burns. Does anyone know where Matt McCartney lives and if he ever testified again after her snippy f-bomb note she sent him.
Until she is found guilty, she will have many more freedoms and rights. Wonder what life will be like after the guilty verdict. I guess she will be busy playing paralegal on her appeal. I truly think she LOVES it.
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#551 Apr 24, 2013
I read that even someone who scores out as high on the psychopathic deviate on the MMPI would most likely be labeled with a personality disorder.

http://psychology.about.com/od/psychologicalt...

There is more seething under her surface than she typically allows people to see. Is there a category for Satan Incarnate. Remember, Satan can take many forms, even a demure, petite blond with a penchant for brutal murders of nude, defenseless men taking a shower.

Have all of her exes and "friends" from jobs plus family been cleared of ANY possible connection to the murder?
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#552 Apr 24, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Fog, who (except Jodi) cares how smart she is? Travis was smart, too, you're smart, I'm smart - what does that have to do with being killed or killing? What is their point in the "smart" thing? This is not an academic contest, it's a murder trial.
Travis was full of himself, and I doubt I'd want to spend large amounts of time listening to him (or her). But he was employed, owned his home, car, had tons of friends, family that actually liked him, and other than Jodi his life was pretty normal. Not one person has disputed that he was a "good guy", not violent or abusive. Just Jodi, the phenomenal liar/chameleon, who is on trial for his murder.
I can't believe there is a juror that hasn't seen through the fog they've tried to create. When it clears, they have to see that she's the only really rotten apple in the bunch.
Relate to much of your comments, but Hydri, it is apparent that TA could Dog a girl. Even did it to the Church Girl, but ran a different game on her. The jury may take these factors into consideration and it could hang.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#553 Apr 24, 2013
Buddyette wrote:
Some of you all out there must please get through to Juan Martinez. Put a note on his car. LOL
His passion for his case is good, but he must articulate his summation first in writing and insist that his clerks or assistant d.a.'s must critique and contribute...for a blind spot, for too much attention to detail, etc. He can always add his passion to his clear arguments. I think we can count on it, in fact. lol
And I like what the poster above said about actions that constitute premeditation. I believe she had ample opportunities to decide not to murder him, like when he stood at the sink wheezing blood and turned his back on his killer.
Hell, all of this last minute reverse on premeditation is mostly law school minutae ... hell, one can find some arcane case law on anything...yea, I have heard the standard intructions

Martinez is far beyond the critique mode...his clerks, lol
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#554 Apr 24, 2013
While looking around, I found something about Arias and a "Steve cover up"...Was there a Steve in her Mix or just trying to incite jealousy?
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#555 Apr 24, 2013
Is anyone else seeing a trend where killers/attackers get diagnosed with
Asperger's more and more? Some say it can get acquittal? Why didn't they try this for her or is she more Borderline/Psycopathic Deviate/Schizoid?
I think she scored around 40 on schizoid but didn't meet Dr. DM's cut-off for significance.

Her high verbal IQ comes from somewhere. It isn't from her upbringing. That's for sure.
hybridlment

Lexington, KY

#556 Apr 24, 2013
Steve might be the one she "accidentally" sent a text message to Travis' phone. Sorry, but accidentally sending a message to a man and pretending it was meant for another is a middle school game. I'm bored, he hasn't texted me, I don't want to appear pushy but I want to get his attention - oh! If I send a text meant for "Steve" to his phone accidentally, he'll remember me AND get jealous that I'm texting another man. Then I'll feel not-abandoned and smug again. She's truly demented.
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#557 Apr 24, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Steve might be the one she "accidentally" sent a text message to Travis' phone. Sorry, but accidentally sending a message to a man and pretending it was meant for another is a middle school game. I'm bored, he hasn't texted me, I don't want to appear pushy but I want to get his attention - oh! If I send a text meant for "Steve" to his phone accidentally, he'll remember me AND get jealous that I'm texting another man. Then I'll feel not-abandoned and smug again. She's truly demented.
Could she possibly be mildly autistic/Asperger's which might cause her to be socially awkward and unaware of how normal people act. She was very immature for her age. I guess she didn't come up
ADD/ADHD/Aspie/High functioning.

As I was researching other cases, I saw that some people that other people might be schizo or anything on that spectrum such as schizoid/schizotypal, etc. might later test out as Asperger's. Could that account for her feeling different from her family, leaving home, suicidal ideation, anger, and guys not wanting to continue relationships from her once they got to know her well?

Well, I have to do something with my time while they are talking about teens snorting cinnamon
and condoms (disgusting).
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#558 Apr 24, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
I'm starting to tire of the trial, too. I think we're nearing the end now, and I believe the State's closing argument will pull it together sufficiently. However, you never know what one of those 12 people might think that would skew it all.
If she gets back on the street, there will be some foolish male in heat who will fall for it. Whether he'll die as a result, who knows. I do think she's crazily dangerous and don't buy into anything she's presented as defense. Nothing.
My daughter is a defense attorney, so I have to weigh any villainization of the counsel lol. Look what they're working with. I'm sure she disgusts them to no end, too.
If you have time, ask your daughter if she is familiar with the Robert Durst cases. Look at what all he got away with, but then again...he had money! He is associated with "deep anger"....remind you of anyone? I think she would strike again if she was let out just like he did. I hope she doesn't decide to go live in Galveston as a mute cross-dresser like RD. I do, however, like the idea of her being mute like she mostly is in the courtroom. She has certainly learned how to write for hours on end, pass notes and do things to confirm she is a creepy, spider-like weirdo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Durst
All Good Things

Spring, TX

#559 Apr 24, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Steve might be the one she "accidentally" sent a text message to Travis' phone. Sorry, but accidentally sending a message to a man and pretending it was meant for another is a middle school game. I'm bored, he hasn't texted me, I don't want to appear pushy but I want to get his attention - oh! If I send a text meant for "Steve" to his phone accidentally, he'll remember me AND get jealous that I'm texting another man. Then I'll feel not-abandoned and smug again. She's truly demented.
She seems even more creepy now than even when she was first arrested. I know this i slow motion, but her hands and eyes are still beyond creepy. The way she gets fixated on something like fooling with Mott-Mott's chair and won't leave it alone.

Is she on medication beyond Imitrex for headaches? I would guess they aren't going to divulge her meds, but she certainly does seem CHILL for someone who was formerly filled with so much energy that she would work a shift, drive hours and hours to see Travis and then drive back and work a shift the next day. Of course, she probably never actually worked. I remember her co-workers were not fond of her and thought she used Darryl to get away with ****** on the job. Can u guess the word?
Buddyette

Johnson City, TN

#560 Apr 24, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Hell, all of this last minute reverse on premeditation is mostly law school minutae ... hell, one can find some arcane case law on anything...yea, I have heard the standard intructions
Martinez is far beyond the critique mode...his clerks, lol
I am sorry;I know Juan Martinez is brilliant. What I am referring to is the frustration he suffered when he was trying to get LaViolette on the ropes;in many instances, she had him for lunch instead.(mixed metaphors) I am not familiar with law, but I felt he very badly needed some fall-back questions, well-articulated ones he could go to for mop-up and for getting back on track.

I love the man.

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