Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#549 Feb 27, 2013
See the thing that makes me mad more than anything else is that I believe that not only did she kill this man, but that it was indeed premeditated. From all the evidence I have seen thus far, that is my personal belief. I believe this should be an open and shut case with all the evidence and her own testimonies, but because the way are judicial system rolls with all the loop holes and hemming and hawwing, that this person actually stands a chance of getting a lesser charge or maybe sent free? I dunno.

Let me ask you all, Do YOU think it is possible (if you firmly believe she is guilty) that she does stand a chance of getting off?
Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#550 Feb 27, 2013
She really went from one end of the spectrum to the other, didn't she? Before she had admitted to killing him all she did was sing his praises, and I mean this girl sang to the top of her lungs. But now she's the victim of sexual, mental and physical abuse? Come on really? Good day, you have your opinion and we all have ours. Hell, that's what makes life interesting and the world go round. But I WILL tell you what makes us all a common thread, she is trying play ALL of us for a damn fool. And I guarantee you that my friend
SP Landlord

United States

#551 Feb 27, 2013
Good Day wrote:
.. I think good men would know who he was, very qucikly.
* I appreciate LA Guy's posts. He has a mature perception of their entire relationship. He understands how complex it was, much more than others who want to blame Jodi for Travis' own demise.
A humble Thank You, from LA Guy. Appreciate your keen insight and great mind. Just tuned in for the first time today, heard something about her asking for a spanking. All predictable, he programmed her, and she was lving to please him.

These are highly complicated relationships and doctoral dissertations have been delivered on them. Going back to Psy 101, nothing novel here, Pavlonian response, pleasing Master, add high octane sexual nirvana for the first time...what a life consuming drug! Travis was also hooked and he would have further acted out
beyond Jody and a Vanilla marriage, which would have not lasted too long.
LA Guy

United States

#552 Feb 27, 2013
SP Landlord keeps showing on the post, this is defintely LA Guy.
Good Day

Lincoln, CA

#553 Feb 27, 2013
SP Landlord wrote:
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A humble Thank You, from LA Guy. Appreciate your keen insight and great mind. Just tuned in for the first time today, heard something about her asking for a spanking. All predictable, he programmed her, and she was lving to please him.
These are highly complicated relationships and doctoral dissertations have been delivered on them. Going back to Psy 101, nothing novel here, Pavlonian response, pleasing Master, add high octane sexual nirvana for the first time...what a life consuming drug! Travis was also hooked and he would have further acted out
beyond Jody and a Vanilla marriage, which would have not lasted too long.
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Good Day, Guy & landlord :)
Fortunately, I've been very blessed to have wonderful men in my life. I also have amazing brothers, and male relatives. I haven't come across a Travis personally, but I know they are out there.
I am surprised that after the facts of his personality have come out, some people still blame Jodi for their entire relationship.(as you can see by previous comments)

Since: Jul 08

Lexington, Va.

#554 Feb 27, 2013
gingerrogers wrote:
i see it as her as a sexual predator...

have seen such before unfortunately....she is classic passive aggressive...
which explains why she remains so calm, yet aggressive on stand (and why he was banging his head on wall trying to get away from her in prev argument - that may actually have been true)....

she is dangerous personified to men (hope im wrong) and crafty incarnate.....

U are being naive and letting her pretty exterior influence....

I c travis as a man who was sexually stalked,

drawn into her game (which is real to her) and ultimately disposed of (after rejecting her to try to live better) as a hog

slaughtered from foot to head and near decapitated...

most likely attacked from behind

when unable to fight back and prob saw whole thing either thru camera lens which she showed him or in mirror...

sheer horror
he never had a chance with this one....now she is doing same to public and enjoys every minute with gullible public...not all, but too many.....

maybe one of which is in jury to release her to stalk more men..........
Gingerrogers, Brilliant assessment!!!imo
LA Guy

United States

#555 Feb 27, 2013
Good Day wrote:
<quoted text>
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Regarding the number of times she stabbed him, maybe you aren't aware that someone who is stabbed will be able to continue to attack, until they can't.You would surprise yourself, how fast you can swing, if you are attacked.
Very true. Most of the wounds were superfical slashings, which is the common scenario with swinging away to fend off an attacker. Add to this, a combination of a quasi black out rage.

I will repeat, that it is not uncommon for abused females to pre-arm themselves and overkill, when pushed to that point of fear/rage/self preservation. Legitimate experts, in various professions are aware of these factors, see it regularly.

Wow, JVN, now has the ex con/former Hollywood Madam, Baby Doll Gibson, on air opining on what made Jody tick. JVN treating her as an honored renown guest. Scraping the bottom of the barrel...lol
LA Guy

United States

#556 Feb 27, 2013
Lets Think

In your opinion, was any of TA's behavoir abusive in nature.

Since: Jul 08

Lexington, Va.

#557 Feb 27, 2013
Peggy wrote:
She really went from one end of the spectrum to the other, didn't she? Before she had admitted to killing him all she did was sing his praises, and I mean this girl sang to the top of her lungs.
But now she's the victim of sexual, mental and physical abuse? Come on really? Good day, you have your opinion and we all have ours. Hell, that's what makes life interesting and the world go round.
But I WILL tell you what makes us all a common thread, she is trying play ALL of us for a damn fool.
And I guarantee you that my friend....
Peggy,
Playing us like a fiddle!!!
I'm amazed how naive and gullable people are.

That girl had been doing 'those shocking things' since the age of 17...JMO
LA Guy

United States

#558 Feb 27, 2013
Peggy

Same question for you. Was any of TA's behavoir abusive?

Since: Jul 08

Lexington, Va.

#559 Feb 27, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Lets Think
In your opinion, was any of TA's behavoir abusive in nature...
LA GUY, I have no ideal what they actually did while together.

J. had a choice of NOT driving to be with him.
IF he wanted to see her, WHY didn't he drive to see her..Isn't that ususally how it works, the man visits the woman???jmo
LA Guy

United States

#560 Feb 27, 2013
gingerrogers wrote:
i see it as her as a sexual predator...have seen such before unfortunately....she is classic passive aggressive...which explains why she remains so calm, yet aggressive on stand (and why he was banging his head on wall trying to get away from her in prev argument - that may actually have been true)....she is dangerous personified to men (hope im wrong) and crafty incarnate......u are being naive and letting her pretty exterior influence....
i c travis as a man who was sexually stalked, drawn into her game (which is real to her) and ultimately disposed of (after rejecting her to try to live better) as a hog slaughtered from foot to head and near decapitated...most likely attacked from behind when unable to fight bk and prob saw whole thing either thru camera lens which she showed him or in mirror...sheer horror
he never had a chance with this one....now she is doing same to public and enjoys every minute with gullible public...not all, but too many.....maybe one of which is in jury to release her to stalk more men..........
Was TA abusive, at all?
LA Guy

United States

#561 Feb 27, 2013
shades of Stockholm Syndrome, in her behavoir during stages of the relatioinship.
Good Day

Lincoln, CA

#562 Feb 27, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
shades of Stockholm Syndrome, in her behavoir during stages of the relatioinship.
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If a person can believe that kind and loving treatment begets good feelings in a relationship, why can't they believe that humiliating treatment after being loving would create a toxic relationship?
LA Guy

United States

#563 Feb 27, 2013
Most jury's, with the excpetion of Death Penalty cases, are not aware of the overly harsh sentences which can be handed out in a traditional Manslaugter case. The popular trend in many jurisdictioins has been the revision of sentencing standards, pushing Manslaughter in essence to 2nd degree murder, class 2 felony.

Jody would be facing a max of 22 years, which even gang members who rob and kill liquor store clerks in cold blooi, do not end up doong that much time.
Keep in mind, althoug apparently an AZ can met out less time, in these sensational cases they will max them out. Particularly facing re-election in conservative religous Mesa, AZ

Hell, in may instances if the juries were aware of these dispropotionate sentences at the extreme end, they would opt to let an abused women walk.

Few doubt if she was abused...yes, I know, boils down to credablilty and state of mind along a particular time line...if they follow the law as to the standard of Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, they cannot convict.

A plea agreement to Manslaughterm if it would have stipulated maximum time exposure (ten years of less), would have served justice.
LA Guy

United States

#564 Feb 27, 2013
typo

AZ "judge"
Good Day

Lincoln, CA

#565 Feb 27, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Most jury's, with the excpetion of Death Penalty cases, are not aware of the overly harsh sentences which can be handed out in a traditional Manslaugter case. The popular trend in many jurisdictioins has been the revision of sentencing standards, pushing Manslaughter in essence to 2nd degree murder, class 2 felony.
Jody would be facing a max of 22 years, which even gang members who rob and kill liquor store clerks in cold blooi, do not end up doong that much time.
Keep in mind, althoug apparently an AZ can met out less time, in these sensational cases they will max them out. Particularly facing re-election in conservative religous Mesa, AZ
Hell, in may instances if the juries were aware of these dispropotionate sentences at the extreme end, they would opt to let an abused women walk.
Few doubt if she was abused...yes, I know, boils down to credablilty and state of mind along a particular time line...if they follow the law as to the standard of Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, they cannot convict.
A plea agreement to Manslaughterm if it would have stipulated maximum time exposure (ten years of less), would have served justice.
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Interesting. I think she will walk because of his own voice and texts. Had those pieces of the puzzle not been available, I think she would be convicted, because most people are still unaware of the dynamics in their type of connection..
LA Guy

United States

#566 Feb 27, 2013
Peggy wrote:
<quoted text>
You saw the Texts huh? Did You hear the recordings? It was just of they're sexual nature and guess GOOD DAY, She was leading all of those conversations not him. But he is the one with the sexual control over her? Alrighty then....
Think about it, Peggy, inadvertently you make the case for TA being in full control. Do you get it?
Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#567 Feb 27, 2013
I know this is going to sound silly, but other than that slight smirk on her face, for some reason it really drives me nuts that she looks at the jury every time she answers a question. Every single time. like a robot. Like I said I know it's silly but something about it gets to me.
LA Guy

United States

#568 Feb 27, 2013
Good Day wrote:
<quoted text>
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Interesting. I think she will walk because of his own voice and texts. Had those pieces of the puzzle not been available, I think she would be convicted, because most people are still unaware of the dynamics in their type of connection..
Great insight, as always. His own voice alone and the texts are irrefutable as to him abusing her...the defense must only prove Battered Women syndrome by a Preponderence of Evidence...in essence, the State must Prove Beyond a Reasonable Doubt she was not abused.

Interesting, my fellow esteemed poster, that our society in general has no clue as to the power these Dom Svengalis hold over their fragile female partners. Some posters here, refuse to even admit that he was abusive in any manner whatsoever.

I can only imagine their reaction if a guy had debased them or their female loved one's in the same verbal dehumanizing manner. They would be calling for him to be castrated and hung.

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