Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

Jan 2, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KTVK Phoenix

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Good Day wrote:
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He wasn't using her as a wife...I don't know any called 3 whole wonders, slut, or told they will feel like they were raped, etc., etc., it's crystal clear how he was treating her.
His texts and the phone call are proof.
Before and after marriage soe guys do call their girls sluts -- I don't believe it's a very mature thing to do, but it happens.
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TA wasn't your average jerk. He was a dangerous, soul abusing, very strong man.
The "deserve to die" question is from fantasy land.
Only in the movies, can you write a script for exactly how a fight will go. In this case, Jodi said she was attacked by him and she fought for her life. Adrenaline is very powerful and combined with the will to survive, all bets are off.
I think TA was a soul-abusing jerk too. He was not the sophisticated S&M player like the kind 'LA Guy' is referring to, but he must have been really good at 'motivational speaking' which at scams like PPL means 'a closer.''Closers' run over people, won't take 'no' for an answer and seek to get what they want regardless of the harm they cause. To me that's why he was dangerous. Not b/c he was some brilliant S&M deviant who turned all women into jelly.

IMO, you are buying into JA's lies. TA didn't attack her. JA lost control over her rage at him. A person in a rage can convince themselves that their victim 'deserves' what they're getting b/c she gave him everything he wanted and she still wasn't good enough for him. Maybe she wanted to give him one last chance to realize how perfect she was for him, and if he didn't, then he gets what she has planned for him.
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Remember, he was angry that she wanted to go to a Bishop regarding his pedo interests, etc. She was already moving on...Ryan Burns is proof.
The only person in this scenario, with a reputation and an entire lifestyle to lose, had their real life become known, was Travis.
I think men who have seen this kind of man in action, can pick them out faster than any woman. And, once a woman has bonded with a man, the ability to resist them can be as bad as a drug.
Why do people ignore the obvious????
You're ignoring the obvious -- TA wasn't into little boys, he never was. Very creative lie from JA! TA was addicted to JA too. TA's feelings of ambivalence about her must have been huge, but he probably saw her as so compliant to his desires that she would be around for sex on the side even if he married someone else. Absolutely agree with you re: his Mormon cover life -- that's a lie he had to maintain, pick the young virgin wife, have children -- but TA had already badmouthed JA to his friends and family, therefore how could he backtrack about her now? JA was unacceptable in their eyes.
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Please, at least listen to the entire taped phone call, and read his texts to her, if nothing else.
Any good father can tell you what he was.
I'm a mother of an adult unmarried son, I don't like how young adults 'hook up' and have casual sex b/c it can be so emotionally devasting to some of them. I have heard most of the taped phone calls and texts from TA to JA. It doesn't seem as if he had much respect for her beyond using her for sex, but Jodi could have said to him: hey clown, keep your hands off me, no sex before marriage or at least acknowledged monogamy. Got it, buster. He couldn't used her if she didn't allow it.
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Why?
Do all the news people say"
"Beautiful so and so"
"Lovely"
and like that?
What if somebody is a freak and ugly?
why say Beautiful?
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From the tapes and texts
she should have gone for a job in the field she is an expert at....

the street corner must have already been over crowded?
Or the TRUCK STOPS may already have had enough
LOT LIZARDS?
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Peggy wrote:
Even with all the media coverage and what not, how can anyone with common sense have remorse for her or feel for her.
This girl is on the stand for the fight of her life. And literally correct?
YOU want us to put ourselves in her shoes?? Okay I will......

If I were in her shoes
and I was fighting for my life not to be put to death for stabbing someone 29 times, slitting their throat ear to ear, the shooting them in the face.

I do NOT believe that I would be sitting on the stand with a SMILE on my face.
I do NOT find it funny as an OBSERVER, and I definitely would NOT find it funny as the DEFENDANT!!
Peggy, Good common sense post.

Most normal people could not KILL their Dog...and if their dog dies they cry for days..

Yet we see an arrogant female who stabbed he Lover 29 times while in the shower,
cut his throad and head almost off and shot him in the face.

Yet she claims he was Perfect inside and out...this is one scary, stalking, heartless B*tch..IMO...jmo
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She has heard her lawyer say it enough that she is trying to jump in and say it before he does. Remember, she wanted to be her own lawyer and probably resents that she has to have one. Her zingers are funny and obviously thru JM for a loop but aren't effective. I think it will work against her with the jury. It comes across like she isn't taking this with a grain of respect. Not for JM but for the whole proceding.
Oh, she respects that her life is on the line. But agree that some of her 'cluelessness' will work against her with the jury; it's just that I disagree that her 'cluelessness' is real confusion -- it's not confusion, it's fake.
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Peggy, Good common sense post.
Most normal people could not KILL their Dog...and if their dog dies they cry for days..
Yet we see an arrogant female who stabbed he Lover 29 times while in the shower,
cut his throad and head almost off and shot him in the face.
Yet she claims he was Perfect inside and out...this is one scary, stalking, heartless B*tch..IMO...jmo
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This prosecutor isn't doing the jury any favors.....today he spent over a half hour going back and forth on if the rental car was white or red, and why and her speeding tickets from years ago......Geeeeezz...........
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Peggy wrote:
Even with all the media coverage and what not, how can anyone with common sense have remorse for her or feel for her. This girl is on the stand for the fight of her life. And literally correct? YOU want us to put ourselves in her shoes?? Okay I will......
If I were in her shoes and I was fighting for my life not to be put to death for stabbing someone 29 times, slitting their throat ear to ear, the shooting them in the face. I do NOT believe that I would be sitting on the stand with a SMILE on my face. I do NOT find it funny as an OBSERVER, and I definitely would NOT find it funny as the DEFENDANT!!
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You weren't in a sick twisted abusive relationship w/him, that's why you and me and most people, thank goodness will never have to feel or fight off such evil from a man.. he wanted to make her feel raped, he said it himself.She was in fearbof him, and she loved him. Where's the mystery? Even his texts, 82000, prove he was hooked on her, as well as abusive to her.
Regarding the number of times she stabbed him, maybe you aren't aware that someone who is stabbed will be able to continue to attack, until they can't.You would surprise yourself, how fast you can swing, if you are attacked. He is the only one who had a reputation and livelihood at stake because of her, if she ever told the Bishop about his pedo..
As far as his neck, there was Mormon atonement and some still believe in it, to atone for sins at death.* Just wondering if you've ever had to fight for your life, or heard a woman tell you about having to save herself. Their relationship was a sick dark hole.
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This prosecutor isn't doing the jury any favors.....today he spent over a half hour going back and forth on if the rental car was white or red, and why and her speeding tickets from years ago......Geeeeezz..........
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Agree. I wouldn't want a red car, and I don't speed :) I thought most people don't like red anyway.

I think he was trying to make it sound like she didn't want a red car so she could hide amongst the rest of traffic, after she killed him.
A red car would be a lot easier to find, if the police were looking for her.
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i see it as her as a sexual predator...have seen such before unfortunately....she is classic passive aggressive...which explains why she remains so calm, yet aggressive on stand (and why he was banging his head on wall trying to get away from her in prev argument - that may actually have been true)....she is dangerous personified to men (hope im wrong) and crafty incarnate......u are being naive and letting her pretty exterior influence....

i c travis as a man who was sexually stalked, drawn into her game (which is real to her) and ultimately disposed of (after rejecting her to try to live better) as a hog slaughtered from foot to head and near decapitated...most likely attacked from behind when unable to fight bk and prob saw whole thing either thru camera lens which she showed him or in mirror...sheer horror

he never had a chance with this one....now she is doing same to public and enjoys every minute with gullible public...not all, but too many.....maybe one of which is in jury to release her to stalk more men..........
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So I'm here watching the court tv thing and they are showing one her interviews she did re-telling the story about the intruders, and so elaborated might I add. I'm sorry but it does make me laugh. She starts off saying if she even wants to talk about this topic because this is the day she almost lost her life as well as travis. And here it comes....The (Crocodile Tears).

She is struggling telling the story so near to tears because she had a gun to her head and she believed she was going to die. But that was then and this is now. NOW, she is on the stand acting in the exact same manner with her telling her (stories) again with the crocodile tears. But WAIT, we know NOW she IS telling the truth because,
Drum roll please....
She is Under OATH! well, duh. What was I thinking
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You weren't in a sick twisted abusive relationship w/him, that's why you and me and most people, thank goodness will never have to feel or fight off such evil from a man.. he wanted to make her feel raped, he said it himself.She was in fearbof him, and she loved him. Where's the mystery? Even his texts, 82000, prove he was hooked on her, as well as abusive to her.
Regarding the number of times she stabbed him, maybe you aren't aware that someone who is stabbed will be able to continue to attack, until they can't.You would surprise yourself, how fast you can swing, if you are attacked. He is the only one who had a reputation and livelihood at stake because of her, if she ever told the Bishop about his pedo..
As far as his neck, there was Mormon atonement and some still believe in it, to atone for sins at death.* Just wondering if you've ever had to fight for your life, or heard a woman tell you about having to save herself. Their relationship was a sick dark hole.
You saw the Texts huh? Did You hear the recordings? It was just of they're sexual nature and guess GOOD DAY, She was leading all of those conversations not him. But he is the one with the sexual control over her? Alrighty then....
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Before and after marriage soe guys do call their girls sluts -- I don't believe it's a very mature thing to do, but it happens.
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I think TA was a soul-abusing jerk too. He was not the sophisticated S&M player like the kind 'LA Guy' is referring to, but he must have been really good at 'motivational speaking' which at scams like PPL means 'a closer.''Closers' run over people, won't take 'no' for an answer and seek to get what they want regardless of the harm they cause. To me that's why he was dangerous. Not b/c he was some brilliant S&M deviant who turned all women into jelly.
IMO, you are buying into JA's lies. TA didn't attack her. JA lost control over her rage at him. A person in a rage can convince themselves that their victim 'deserves' what they're getting b/c she gave him everything he wanted and she still wasn't good enough for him. Maybe she wanted to give him one last chance to realize how perfect she was for him, and if he didn't, then he gets what she has planned for him.
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You're ignoring the obvious -- TA wasn't into little boys, he never was. Very creative lie from JA! TA was addicted to JA too. TA's feelings of ambivalence about her must have been huge, but he probably saw her as so compliant to his desires that she would be around for sex on the side even if he married someone else. Absolutely agree with you re: his Mormon cover life -- that's a lie he had to maintain, pick the young virgin wife, have children -- but TA had already badmouthed JA to his friends and family, therefore how could he backtrack about her now? JA was unacceptable in their eyes.
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I'm a mother of an adult unmarried son, I don't like how young adults 'hook up' and have casual sex b/c it can be so emotionally devasting to some of them. I have heard most of the taped phone calls and texts from TA to JA. It doesn't seem as if he had much respect for her beyond using her for sex, but Jodi could have said to him: hey clown, keep your hands off me, no sex before marriage or at least acknowledged monogamy. Got it, buster. He couldn't used her if she didn't allow it.
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Facts: He said she sounded like a 12yo girl having an O for the 1st time, and his friend made a comment on his myspace about looking for boys.
Why?
IMO: I don't know who started the attack, but he was the one with more to lose, and therefore it makes sense that he would've attacked her if she said something that he thought was going to ruin him.
I don't think TA was on any level near LA Guy or most men; I think they just connected, and it was sick.
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i think so too...too much detail prosecutor focuses on other than brutal killing (why not show 29 stabs and say "you don't remember this and this and this) and that SHE was the stalker....maybe he has a plan to win this, but certainly is straying; otherwise, hispanic (had to go there because interesting, and could be cultural or witchcraft thing since spent time in south america; well, it is still predominant belief in areas there) defendant will be released to continue mad psychosis among public of men by hispanic (had to go there) prosecutor.....freedom of speech here you know....that said, i do believe juan martinez is trying to do amazing job and tackling giant psychopathic liar...tough

just sayin in our current political climate where anything is accepted, maybe this is NEXT.....ok to kill..........politics of present certainly doesn't advocate ethics of any kind

ANYONE REMEMBER WHEN THEY TOOK PRAYER OUT OF SCHOOLS? just sayin
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You saw the Texts huh? Did You hear the recordings? It was just of they're sexual nature and guess GOOD DAY, She was leading all of those conversations not him. But he is the one with the sexual control over her? Alrighty then....
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The entire phone call was played in court.
* A man doesn't need to be led into phone sex, once he's already interested, and especially since they were already involved, and he was far away, etc., etc.
I did see his texts that were admitted in court, and he was explicit in some, on his own.
It's all available online, if you didn't.
Unless you heaard the whole tape, you can't say she was in control.
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they feel that way, that she is prob innocent, because they are lost and have no ethics at all which is political climate of today and what world politics WANTS for our society

you are on point and thinking clearly..........crazy isn't it?
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wrong wrong wrong...she is sexual predator....that's why she picked affluent, ok on the money, gullible mormon young men....she cultivated his interest in kinky sex, lulled him in with her exterior "exotic" beauty and, in her warped mind, hoped he would accept her for how she is (because of the sex) and marry...when he abandoned/rejected her and tried to return to normal life, she butchered him like a hog from foot to head and almost decapitated him..........prob with him watching in mirror

she is dangerous and evil and has NO remorse...cares only for her own skin...already has new lover in prison too
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i see it as her as a sexual predator...have seen such before unfortunately....she is classic passive aggressive...which explains why she remains so calm, yet aggressive on stand (and why he was banging his head on wall trying to get away from her in prev argument - that may actually have been true)....she is dangerous personified to men (hope im wrong) and crafty incarnate......u are being naive and letting her pretty exterior influence....
i c travis as a man who was sexually stalked, drawn into her game (which is real to her) and ultimately disposed of (after rejecting her to try to live better) as a hog slaughtered from foot to head and near decapitated...most likely attacked from behind when unable to fight bk and prob saw whole thing either thru camera lens which she showed him or in mirror...sheer horror
he never had a chance with this one....now she is doing same to public and enjoys every minute with gullible public...not all, but too many.....maybe one of which is in jury to release her to stalk more men..........
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He said she was the best he had ever tasted. She didn't need to go after him. He was a man and she was available. He said she was the most beautiful, etc. etc, and she had the best looking ___. The texts from him and the call sex are proof that he was getting off on their time together.
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u r wrong.....he may have had some of the traits u give him; however, in this case, she had more..........u don't see this often but it's out there; the nutty women who prey on weaker men

she stalked him, lured him in with sex to a point of near obsession (which she was), made him her emotional slave (and he was sincerely trying to help her), THEN when he saw the light and wanted out, she killed him for rejecting her and not marrying her

it's obvious..........ive seen it, short of the killing.....there are a few out there

so rethink ur thoughts..........juan martinez i think knows exactly what happened and that's why he is so animated.....he will win; at least good normally does, but not always
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The entire phone call was played in court.
* A man doesn't need to be led into phone sex, once he's already interested, and especially since they were already involved, and he was far away, etc.
I did see his texts that were admitted in court, and he was explicit in some, on his own.
It's all available online, if you didn't.
Unless you heaard the whole tape, you can't say she was in control.
Boo Boo, I didn't say she controlled the conversation, I said she led the conversation. Which I still stand by. But my point wasn't about him, it was about her. She claims the physical and mental abuse as well being some kind of sex slave. Which is the part I am talking about. She claims to be offended by that he used her for sex and nothing else. But the tapes show that she was just as interested in the sex if not more. SHE was the one leading and started those topics they enjoyed on the phone.

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