Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#264 Feb 13, 2013
Damn, just catching s few minuitews update on HLN ... copies of Travis' text telling her that her ony purpose on earth was animalistic sex with him...also admits to rape scenarious with her.

All of these hypocrites, like Lisa Blum, who claim to be staunch defenders of battered women, are now on talking points as to this being mere banter in consensual relationshps.

Jody claims that at times she would Shake in fear of Travis and I believe it. Many things do not fit into tidy boxes as to why she returned for more pleasure and pain. It should be obviou that he had broken her down mentally.

Now they have an Asian female psychologist(last name Ho) opining on erotic humiliation and what a turn on it can be. She calls it kicking it up a notch. Yes, it can be a turn on and I would like to do it with her if she was down for. These female attys and psychologists who claim to be advocates for battered women can't have it both ways and dismiss abuse when it comes to Jody.

I will give Jean Vellez Mitchell a little credit for calling out the BS of some if these experts, particularly Lisa Blum, equating the abuse to 40 Shades of Grey (POS) works which have entered pop culture

“Do or do not. There is no try.”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#265 Feb 14, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Travis is what they call "Cock Sure" .. can hear it in his voice and cavalier responses. Three Hours right up there in the Big Leaques and hung at that.
Must have been why they kept coming over my place in the wee hours of the morning, back in the day.
Who kept coming to your place?
Slayer

Childersburg, AL

#266 Feb 14, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Damn, just catching s few minuitews update on HLN ... copies of Travis' text telling her that her ony purpose on earth was animalistic sex with him...also admits to rape scenarious with her.
This gets me too -- Jodi was a participant but Travis knew he was dealing a particularly vulnerable woman, he used her and degraded her like no one who he had dated before (it seems).
LA Guy wrote:
All of these hypocrites, like Lisa Blum, who claim to be staunch defenders of battered women, are now on talking points as to this being mere banter in consensual relationshps.
Jody claims that at times she would Shake in fear of Travis and I believe it. Many things do not fit into tidy boxes as to why she returned for more pleasure and pain. It should be obviou that he had broken her down mentally.
Good points! Emotional and verbal abuse cause damage. A stable woman would have told Travis that he was 'too high maintenance' and 'far too demanding' and left him to find another victim. From the phone calls I've heard, it sounded while Jodi was playing along, she was artifically pumping up her enthusiasm to make Travis believe all his ideas appealed to her, b/c she knew that's what he wanted to hear.

She may have trusted him not to kill her or do enough physical damage during those times she was restrained to fulfill a fantasy of his, but she did have some physical damage, she just refused to let anyone else know about it.

Jodi is having to portray herself as accepting of Travis's other female friends, and not angry because he told her that marriage to each other would never be in their future, but she HAD to have been seething with anger over his plan to go to Cancun with someone else, and getting himself ready to leave right in front of her.

She must have been asking herself at that point,'what else in the world do I have to do for this man before he sees me as the woman who deserves an exclusive relationship?' That alone makes me believe her self-worth was so low and she was so beaten down emotionally she didn't believe she had a right to object to the trip.
Get real

Tavares, FL

#267 Feb 14, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Damn, just catching s few minuitews update on HLN ... copies of Travis' text telling her that her ony purpose on earth was animalistic sex with him...also admits to rape scenarious with her.
All of these hypocrites, like Lisa Blum, who claim to be staunch defenders of battered women, are now on talking points as to this being mere banter in consensual relationshps.
Jody claims that at times she would Shake in fear of Travis and I believe it. Many things do not fit into tidy boxes as to why she returned for more pleasure and pain. It should be obviou that he had broken her down mentally.
Now they have an Asian female psychologist(last name Ho) opining on erotic humiliation and what a turn on it can be. She calls it kicking it up a notch. Yes, it can be a turn on and I would like to do it with her if she was down for. These female attys and psychologists who claim to be advocates for battered women can't have it both ways and dismiss abuse when it comes to Jody.
I will give Jean Vellez Mitchell a little credit for calling out the BS of some if these experts, particularly Lisa Blum, equating the abuse to 40 Shades of Grey (POS) works which have entered pop culture
What is this with your unreasonable faith in JA's unreasonable diatribe? So you hope to hook up with her for Advanced S&M classes? My vision of you, my dirty ole man, is such that I would not think even JA would stoop that low.
As far as JVM, she will not believe anyone who says they were shaking like one of her precious Chihuahuas!
40 Shades of Grey has entered pop culture? May 1% of the population, horny women betwee 30 and 40?
Come on, LA, get real or get off OR keep being a pissing post for those who know you are full of crap and have some sort of unknown agenda.
Get real

Tavares, FL

#268 Feb 14, 2013
Slayer wrote:
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This gets me too -- Jodi was a participant but Travis knew he was dealing a particularly vulnerable woman, he used her and degraded her like no one who he had dated before (it seems).
<quoted text>
Good points! Emotional and verbal abuse cause damage. A stable woman would have told Travis that he was 'too high maintenance' and 'far too demanding' and left him to find another victim. From the phone calls I've heard, it sounded while Jodi was playing along, she was artifically pumping up her enthusiasm to make Travis believe all his ideas appealed to her, b/c she knew that's what he wanted to hear.
She may have trusted him not to kill her or do enough physical damage during those times she was restrained to fulfill a fantasy of his, but she did have some physical damage, she just refused to let anyone else know about it.
Jodi is having to portray herself as accepting of Travis's other female friends, and not angry because he told her that marriage to each other would never be in their future, but she HAD to have been seething with anger over his plan to go to Cancun with someone else, and getting himself ready to leave right in front of her.
She must have been asking herself at that point,'what else in the world do I have to do for this man before he sees me as the woman who deserves an exclusive relationship?' That alone makes me believe her self-worth was so low and she was so beaten down emotionally she didn't believe she had a right to object to the trip.
You can't degrade someone who has already degraded themself. And Jody had. If you look up the definition of the "degrading" things that TA ccalled her in the urban dictionary, you will likely see JA within the description. By "see" I mean you can picture her in your mind from what she has said about herself or what other testified to.

I think it must be remembered that JA testified this week that she was "with" TA for 4 months only. She lived with that other guy for over 4 years. Who taught her all that sexual trivia, TA or the guy she almost married. She must have been a very quick study! Half of the time TA was gone for periods of time either with the Mormons or the pseudo-legalees.

Another thing, she has been whining on and off for 6-7 days now about TA keeping her hidden. She testified today about some big shingding that he took her to twice within 4 months. Do you take someone that you are trying to keep hidden to a large function like that...twice?
Slayer

Sylacauga, AL

#269 Feb 15, 2013
Get real wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't degrade someone who has already degraded themself. And Jody had. If you look up the definition of the "degrading" things that TA ccalled her in the urban dictionary, you will likely see JA within the description. By "see" I mean you can picture her in your mind from what she has said about herself or what other testified to.
But that's the point isn't it? Based on her testimony JA did feel she was a person who 'deserved' to be degraded by a person who posed as her 'better.' I use the word 'posed' b/c TA seems to me to be a classic case of a 'poser.' He bought a house he couldn't afford (testimony as to $ problems) b/c he made his money from a job that demanded he 'appear' to be a financial success, but he had to have 'roommates' to afford the house.

Woman aren't born to believe they should cooperate in degrading scenarios -- that attitude is learned, or fostered, or encouraged, by those who seek to use them for their own purposes.
Get real wrote:
I think it must be remembered that JA testified this week that she was "with" TA for 4 months only. She lived with that other guy for over 4 years. Who taught her all that sexual trivia, TA or the guy she almost married. She must have been a very quick study! Half of the time TA was gone for periods of time either with the Mormons or the pseudo-legalees.
I'm amazed too as to how those two spent so much time together, or special time, it sounds like. Maybe that's how JA remembers so much detail, she did consider the time she spent w/TA as special. While 'with' means living in the same house, they clearly spent time together before and after the 'with' periods. Sounds like TA was encouraging her to see him (sex) even as he was 'courting' other women with marriage in mind (his young Mormom virgin).
Get real wrote:

Another thing, she has been whining on and off for 6-7 days now about TA keeping her hidden. She testified today about some big shingding that he took her to twice within 4 months. Do you take someone that you are trying to keep hidden to a large function like that...twice?
According to testimony TA was 'hiding' JA from the people who were the most important to him. Those were the people who didn't like her, didn't see her as one of them, and openly warned TA that she was trouble. Sounds as if some of those same people were surprised to learn that TA was still seeing JA.

Events where they were both largely unknown, or where there wouldn't be a means of getting to know anyone well, were the kinds of places he could bring his 'piece of ass.'

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone what she did. I do believe she murdered him out of rage,(so far as we know now anyway), it's just that I can understand where the rage came from. So if that is blaming the victim, then I guess I do place some of the blame on this victim, b/c if he had been the man he portrayed himself to be, he wouldn't have fostered the circumstances under which any woman would feel so much rage against him.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#270 Feb 15, 2013
Get real wrote:
<quoted text>
What is this with your unreasonable faith in JA's unreasonable diatribe? So you hope to hook up with her for Advanced S&M classes? My vision of you, my dirty ole man, is such that I would not think even JA would stoop that low.
As far as JVM, she will not believe anyone who says they were shaking like one of her precious Chihuahuas!
40 Shades of Grey has entered pop culture? May 1% of the population, horny women betwee 30 and 40?
Come on, LA, get real or get off OR keep being a pissing post for those who know you are full of crap and have some sort of unknown agenda.
FYI - I'm 52, look 42, caucasian, urbane, successfull and have a fit clean cut look .. If you have read my early posts, I explained that for some reason I have always attracted women with an edge to them, some demure and others over the top. Still do attract them, but not even trying.

So-Cal is a different landscape from most other locations. If you are aware of places like Santa Monica, Century City, Beverly Hills, Newport Beach, you will see mature guys who are still holding...many with younger very attractive gf's. Just the opposite from the stereotypical dirty old man type.

I called out the dynamics of this couple early on, well before it started dribbling out. Also, it should be clear that that I have knowledge of these legal manuervers. This is LA Guy, who usually only posts regarding matters of expertise.

Question for you. Has Jody been Overcharges. Please do not repeat the long chronology of events in order to make your case.
Do you feel that justice would be served with a plea to Manslaughter, which is still a Homicide.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#271 Feb 15, 2013
Slayer wrote:
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But that's the point isn't it? Based on her testimony JA did feel she was a person who 'deserved' to be degraded by a person who posed as her 'better.' I use the word 'posed' b/c TA seems to me to be a classic case of a 'poser.' He bought a house he couldn't afford (testimony as to $ problems) b/c he made his money from a job that demanded he 'appear' to be a financial success, but he had to have 'roommates' to afford the house.
Woman aren't born to believe they should cooperate in degrading scenarios -- that attitude is learned, or fostered, or encouraged, by those who seek to use them for their own purposes.
<quoted text>
Always refreshing to hear from you. Great point on the image TA was portraying and the reason why he had all of the roomates. Few here get it, as to the phenomena of women who have been degraded and morphed into feeling they deserve it. TA was the her Svengali Dom everything in life.

This guy even lacked a quasi humanistic touch at the later stages, as evidenced by his statement on tape as to "tying her to a tree and sticking it in her A Hole" and texts as to her only reason for existence was to animalistic serving him in bed.

At his rate of acceleating the degredation, no telling what he did to her in the final hour(s)
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#272 Feb 15, 2013
Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone what she did. I do believe she murdered him out of rage,(so far as we know now anyway), it's just that I can understand where the rage came from. So if that is blaming the victim, then I guess I do place some of the blame on this victim, b/c if he had been the man he portrayed himself to be, he wouldn't have fostered the circumstances under which any woman would feel so much rage against him.
Well said. I see it mainly as rage due to mental and physical abuse, with a modicum of self defense in the blur. All crimes of passion center around rage.

Get real

Tavares, FL

#273 Feb 15, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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FYI - I'm 52, look 42, caucasian, urbane, successfull and have a fit clean cut look .. If you have read my early posts, I explained that for some reason I have always attracted women with an edge to them, some demure and others over the top. Still do attract them, but not even trying.
So-Cal is a different landscape from most other locations. If you are aware of places like Santa Monica, Century City, Beverly Hills, Newport Beach, you will see mature guys who are still holding...many with younger very attractive gf's. Just the opposite from the stereotypical dirty old man type.
I called out the dynamics of this couple early on, well before it started dribbling out. Also, it should be clear that that I have knowledge of these legal manuervers. This is LA Guy, who usually only posts regarding matters of expertise.
Question for you. Has Jody been Overcharges. Please do not repeat the long chronology of events in order to make your case.
Do you feel that justice would be served with a plea to Manslaughter, which is still a Homicide.
Do I think Jody has been overcharged? Yes, I do. But not in the sense that I think she is not guilty of everything the first degree charge implies. I am a pragmatist and I just don't think a jury like that composite will convict her of that charge that will get her to the death penalty possibility. I think her DA has been doing a hell of a job of enticing people, including the jury of course, to forget what she has done and look upon her as an innocent that knew nothing until Travis taught her everything. I call bullshit on that!! She lived with a guy for nearly 4 years and I would bet that he taught her everything she took to the table. And he was not the first nor the last before Travis. I think Second Degree is the appropriate conviction with 25 years and no parole for 20.....and, no living next door to me or my husband!!!
Get real

Tavares, FL

#274 Feb 15, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI - I'm 52, look 42, caucasian, urbane, successfull and have a fit clean cut look .. If you have read my early posts, I explained that for some reason I have always attracted women with an edge to them, some demure and others over the top. Still do attract them, but not even trying.
So-Cal is a different landscape from most other locations. If you are aware of places like Santa Monica, Century City, Beverly Hills, Newport Beach, you will see mature guys who are still holding...many with younger very attractive gf's. Just the opposite from the stereotypical dirty old man type.
I called out the dynamics of this couple early on, well before it started dribbling out. Also, it should be clear that that I have knowledge of these legal manuervers. This is LA Guy, who usually only posts regarding matters of expertise.
Question for you. Has Jody been Overcharges. Please do not repeat the long chronology of events in order to make your case.
Do you feel that justice would be served with a plea to Manslaughter, which is still a Homicide.
What do you mean, Mr Modesty, that you usually only posts regarding matters of expertise? I have seen your posts on every thread that is on here regarding Jody/Travis. Priming the pump?
Or trolling?
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#275 Feb 16, 2013
Get real wrote:
<quoted text>
Do I think Jody has been overcharged? Yes, I do. But not in the sense that I think she is not guilty of everything the first degree charge implies. I am a pragmatist and I just don't think a jury like that composite will convict her of that charge that will get her to the death penalty possibility. I think her DA has been doing a hell of a job of enticing people, including the jury of course, to forget what she has done and look upon her as an innocent that knew nothing until Travis taught her everything. I call bullshit on that!! She lived with a guy for nearly 4 years and I would bet that he taught her everything she took to the table. And he was not the first nor the last before Travis. I think Second Degree is the appropriate conviction with 25 years and no parole for 20.....and, no living next door to me or my husband!!!
Thank you for your insightfull reply. A shift is occuring in favor of Jody, in part due to the the Fisrt Degree Charge.

Even OJ, who killed two and mutilated his estranged wife, was not charged under the death penaly option.

This is the State's case to lose, particulalry since they have Overcharged her. Casts the prosecutor in a bad light with the jury and the public. Not a good way to procede, paricuarly when when tapes exist of a bullying deviant nature. All should keep in mind, that the State must prove all elemens of he crime "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Do you see "reasonable doubt" being established on behalf of Jody.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#276 Feb 16, 2013
....Guilty....
BobEngland

London, UK

#277 Feb 17, 2013
This case is having repercussions all over Arizona, my good friend Crassus from Green Bay (Gods gift to the sex-with-anyone-anytine-anypla ce-chatrooms) now refuses to go in the bath or to enter a shower room. Someone told me he now rolls himself in the sand like birds do to get clean. So no one can slit his throat he wears a copper bracelet collar like the women in some African tribe do, my wife said she heard him walking down the street and from afar it sounded like he was shaaking a tambourine, her first thoughts were 'Hari-Krishna behind me', but it was him, she said 'I should have known'. Whats surprised her was his neck had been extneded by another 6 inches, and with the earings he was wearing, and the spear he was carrying you'd have thought you were in Nairobi, Nyasaland or downtown Green Bay.
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#278 Feb 17, 2013
BobEngland wrote:
This case is having repercussions all over Arizona, my good friend Crassus from Green Bay (Gods gift to the sex-with-anyone-anytine-anypla ce-chatrooms) now refuses to go in the bath or to enter a shower room. Someone told me he now rolls himself in the sand like birds do to get clean. So no one can slit his throat he wears a copper bracelet collar like the women in some African tribe do, my wife said she heard him walking down the street and from afar it sounded like he was shaaking a tambourine, her first thoughts were 'Hari-Krishna behind me', but it was him, she said 'I should have known'. Whats surprised her was his neck had been extneded by another 6 inches, and with the earings he was wearing, and the spear he was carrying you'd have thought you were in Nairobi, Nyasaland or downtown Green Bay.
When this woman is sent to the joint, I'm going to start out as her pen pal. than I'm going to start having sex with her.

Since: Jan 13

Merrylands, Australia

#279 Feb 17, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
As to premidation and Jody's movements. I believe she had thought about killing him, had her Plan A & B .. did not want to kill him...somthing happen in the last few hours, and him going to Cancun with another girl was not the motivating factor.
One must keep in mind, that it is not uncommon for battered women to pre arm themselves and never lash out .. nor when they flash and lash out, to overkill. Also, the run and deny phenomena is not uncommon, even when the murder is justified or mitigated as in the battered women scenario
Hey, they are showing some early testimony, where Jody's claims she had loaned him $700 and on their trips he required her to pay half, right down to the penny. This guy was a Pimp in his own right.
agree, I don't think Cancun was the trigger
LA Guy

Beverly Hills, CA

#280 Feb 17, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
<quoted text>
agree, I don't think Cancun was the trigger
Good to see you back. Most are buying this Cancun thing hook line and sinker. It fits into the prosections cheap paperback fantasy novel. She knew about Cancun for awhile and also knew he would be coming back to her after Cancun for more of their mutual addiction. Something happen verbally and physically in the last hour(s) that reached a flash point and it was not about the petty Cancun trip.

The phone and text tapes speaks volumes. He was kicking it all up to higher degrees of degredation, so no telling what he pulled on in the fatefull few hours.
LA Guy

Beverly Hills, CA

#281 Feb 17, 2013
typo

on "her" in the fatefull few hours
LA Guy

Beverly Hills, CA

#282 Feb 17, 2013
Hello Elise

Are you there yet on a plea to Manslaughter?
Do you at least agree that she has been Overcharged?
BobEngland

London, UK

#283 Feb 17, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Are you there yet on a plea to Manslaughter? Do you at least agree that she has been Overcharged?
Are you totally devoid of your senses, how can you overcharge someone who stabbed a man to death, then slit his throat. She's got to get him placed in a spot where he his easy to kill, and placed 'ready to kill' with his back to her,(to) make sure he does not know or suspect whats about to happen, go get the knife, pick it up,(then) choose the best choice of knife sharp point, long blade, then aim for his vital kill-spots, cutting his throat was revenge why she was sawing away she must have been thinking ''Goodbye cunnt, this will teach you not to disrespect me''. I'd like to see her garroted, hung, but guess it will be 40 years to life, Another long term bed needed to support her in the jail house waiting room to heaven.

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