Angie

Corydon, IN

#23 Mar 23, 2012
Be ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a free country and he could go anywhere that would take him but he cannot have a conscience if he says he does it for the students but he does not care for all the students if he's going to a charter school who allows only the students they want in it. More than likely they will be only the smartest financially stable students with no behavioral problems. It really makes him and those he takes with him, if any, look like money hungry SNOBS.
wouldn't that be about 80% of VES.
Well Said

Jeffersonville, IN

#24 Mar 23, 2012
First of all, if it's a charter school and he's getting state funding then he can't personally select the students he wants to come in. Any students can go there.

Secondly, to classify Vienna as a place of snobs is degrading. This forum isn't for that, so please take that out of this thread. The Vienna has affluent members like other townships. It also has its share of economically disadvantaged as well.

Back to the point, I think Vienna parents need to go to the next school board meeting in full force.
ProChoice

United States

#25 Mar 23, 2012
I don't think Mr. Comer would be 'abandoning' the students at Vienna. I think if anything he has reached his goals for the faculty, students and facility of Vienna and sees an opportunity where other students could benefit and thrive. If he were to start another school, I fully believe that he would go there with the intentions of bettering the community and students and help students that need it the most. Even though we all would hate to see him leave Vienna, I don't think it would be over something like money. it would be best if all details were known before people start criticizing his decision.
Inspired

Oakland City, IN

#26 Mar 23, 2012
ProChoice wrote:
I don't think Mr. Comer would be 'abandoning' the students at Vienna. I think if anything he has reached his goals for the faculty, students and facility of Vienna and sees an opportunity where other students could benefit and thrive. If he were to start another school, I fully believe that he would go there with the intentions of bettering the community and students and help students that need it the most. Even though we all would hate to see him leave Vienna, I don't think it would be over something like money. it would be best if all details were known before people start criticizing his decision.

I can see were one might see how this could be an "opportunity where other students could benefit and thrive" but at what cost? For every student that is pulled out of our public school system that is less state funding that our school system receives. Thus leaving our current students (or the ones left behind) with less that what they had before this charter school. Bottom line is as a community we have to look at what is best for ALL students not just a select few that have the opportunity to attend a charter school. There will be more students hurt by a charter school than the ones that will benefit.
ProChoice

United States

#27 Mar 23, 2012
All I'm saying is that more information needs to be given to the community before harsh judgment is passes. I agree that taking from the current students of the community would not be a good thing but I can't see him doing that to these kids.
V-F Parent 2

Spiceland, IN

#28 Mar 23, 2012
Well Said wrote:
First of all, if it's a charter school and he's getting state funding then he can't personally select the students he wants to come in. Any students can go there.
Secondly, to classify Vienna as a place of snobs is degrading. This forum isn't for that, so please take that out of this thread. The Vienna has affluent members like other townships. It also has its share of economically disadvantaged as well.
Back to the point, I think Vienna parents need to go to the next school board meeting in full force.
I know Vienna has gret parental support and would voice their opinions in a courteous manner if needed at the school board. What do we want from the school board? We don't want him there if he clearly doesn't want to support the students/teachers/parents do we? What are our options? I am still in shock that he would turn on his school. Who knows, there may not be much to fight for if all the teachers follow him!
Well Said

Jeffersonville, IN

#29 Mar 23, 2012
ProChoice wrote:
All I'm saying is that more information needs to be given to the community before harsh judgment is passes. I agree that taking from the current students of the community would not be a good thing but I can't see him doing that to these kids.
I don't think it's harsh judgment to be upset with a principal that's living the school. We may never know the motivations behind it, but it doesn't help our students that this is happening...and with the resources and backing of the district...I'm just shocked one of the employees of the district would choose to become a rival.
Be ashamed

Charlestown, IN

#30 Mar 23, 2012
Angie wrote:
<quoted text> wouldn't that be about 80% of VES.
My point exactly. What about the other 20%? Schools are suppose to nuture all students.
Concerned

Spiceland, IN

#31 Mar 24, 2012
Where is this new school and can anyone send there children there? If we can all send ours there if we choose, then maybe we are jumping the gun on worrying about the principal leaving-just go to the new school next year. We have foster children that attend vienna and like to keep as much stability as possible in their lives.
Angi S

United States

#32 Mar 24, 2012
This is the first time I have ever posted on a blog. I have mixed feelings on this topic. What I would like to stress right now is that the degrading insult about the people of Vienna should be removed. I don't think it was honestly posted by anyone named Angie. Who would post something so hateful only to convey that hatefulness with nothing else educated to say? Much less use their name on it. I think it was put there to harm the integrity of this blog. That being said, I hope the person posting in someone else's name shows more respect and professionalism in the future.
Vienna Parent

Chicago, IL

#33 Mar 24, 2012
Concerned wrote:
Where is this new school and can anyone send there children there? If we can all send ours there if we choose, then maybe we are jumping the gun on worrying about the principal leaving-just go to the new school next year. We have foster children that attend vienna and like to keep as much stability as possible in their lives.
Wouldn't stability mean keeping them in the school they know with the teachers they are used to? Not much stability going to a new school, new system, and probably new teachers. I'm not criticizing...but from a stability standpoint, it makes sense to stay put.
Concerned

Spiceland, IN

#34 Mar 25, 2012
Vienna Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't stability mean keeping them in the school they know with the teachers they are used to? Not much stability going to a new school, new system, and probably new teachers. I'm not criticizing...but from a stability standpoint, it makes sense to stay put.
I was under the impression that the my childs teacher would be moving too. I will do what is best for them as long as I am allowed to keep them in my care. Hope it all works out for everyone involved, there is too much turmoil in childrens lives anymore, they should feel valued and loved at their schools too-alot of ther time is spent there.
Inspired

Paoli, IN

#35 Mar 25, 2012
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>I was under the impression that the my childs teacher would be moving too. I will do what is best for them as long as I am allowed to keep them in my care. Hope it all works out for everyone involved, there is too much turmoil in childrens lives anymore, they should feel valued and loved at their schools too-alot of ther time is spent there.
Wouldn't your child have a new teacher at the start of a new year anyway? Everyone has to do what is best for their own child. Just remember as a community we also have to remember that the actions we take with our children also have an impact on other children as well. School systems only work if there are enough kids to fill each classroom. If class size at a new school isn't high enough, or if class size in our current schools fall below a certain level adjustments will have to be made. All of any schools programs are a direct reflection on the number of students that attend the school. Fewer kids equals fewer programs. Its like a business, the more you sell the more can grow the less you sell the less growth or lack of growth there will be.
Think about it

Washington, DC

#36 Mar 27, 2012
Angie wrote:
<quoted text> wouldn't that be about 80% of VES.
Research charter schools. The purpose of a charter is to get kids from all walks of life it's not a money thing. And the charter does NOT get to pick their students. People apply and if too many apply then it goes into a lottery where no one has control as to who gets in but instead its a pick of a #. When I heard about this I thought this is for the students. The way a school should be instead of for the adults. If the principal was doing this for his own gain then why would he subject himself to ridicul. No one ever gets mad at a person for applying for a new job but for someone trying to better our options in Scott county they get torn apart? Research charter schools.
Facts

Mahwah, NJ

#37 Mar 27, 2012
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
Research charter schools. The purpose of a charter is to get kids from all walks of life it's not a money thing. And the charter does NOT get to pick their students. People apply and if too many apply then it goes into a lottery where no one has control as to who gets in but instead its a pick of a #. When I heard about this I thought this is for the students. The way a school should be instead of for the adults. If the principal was doing this for his own gain then why would he subject himself to ridicul. No one ever gets mad at a person for applying for a new job but for someone trying to better our options in Scott county they get torn apart? Research charter schools.
You say charter school are all for kids? Check out the charter school state scores, of the lowest 25 schools in the state over 1/2 are charter schools. As a parent if I were to send my child to a charter school I have no say in their education at any point. Its kind of like living in a community or country were you cannot elect your officials. In a charter school the board in appointed not elected, you as a parent or tax payer have no representation as to how your tax money is spent nor any say as to any educational decisions. I'm not saying public school is perfect but a least as a tax payer and parent I have a say in who sits on the board thus a say in the education process for my child. Bottom line is this is not a good idea for the community, all this will do is hurt more children than it will help. It will split the community in a time when a community cannot afford to be split. Times are tough for a lot of people and for any entity that receives tax money to operate. This is only going to make the situation worse; taking money away from our current schools is not the answer. You think times are tough now in our school wait till there is no choice but to start closing down our community elementary schools. Talk about impact on a community were would Lexington and Johnson be without their schools? This charter school could have a major impact on our small community and the ripple effect will reach our small community elementary schools.
Angie

Corydon, IN

#38 Mar 28, 2012
Wow Angi S. You think very negative. I was saying that 80% of the kids at VES strive with academics and have no behavior problems. I didn't even notice her last sentence till I read I again.
Well Said

Jeffersonville, IN

#39 Mar 28, 2012
Facts makes some excellent points.

The trouble is a lot of people associate charter schools with private schools and that just isn't the case.

Sure, there are some advantages to charter schools because a state has more control over the school themselves and they have more autonomy than public schools do. However, their advantages are somewhat misleading. Even looking at the advantages on charter school information websites, you come away with vague answers. Better quality education? Innovative Education?(this from charterschoolinfo.org ) Aren't these simply opinions? I can find numerous public schools in the state, in this county even, that offer quality education and innovative teaching. This isn't some restricted to charter schools.

Also, the assumption that charter schools instantly increase the overall education in a community is also misleading. Read this article from the washington post.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet...

It highlights the general problem with charter schools and points out their flaws. Charter schools tend to do very well in more affluent communities where parents choose to go there and the staff is usually well trained. Poorer communities don't fair as well as their public school counterparts. In fact, despite the push by Indiana to open more charter schools, several have closed in the past couple of years due to poor academics. To make matters worse, charter schools are only required to have a certain percentage of qualified teachers. Untrained staff aren't equipped to handle the diverse population often associated with communities with mixed socioeconomic populations.

There's no doubt that a charter school would have major economic ramifications on a community that's already suffering economically.
choices

Scottsburg, IN

#40 Mar 28, 2012
A charter school is not a private school. It is non profit, run by a board of directors and if approved and funded by the state has to accept ANY and ALL applicants. Some do "specialize" in certain areas, but not all. I am currently not real happy with our present school board and administration. I don't like the direction we seem to be headed. Cirriculum is weak and I beleive we still have one elementary school on academic probation. Life is about choices. More choices for our children cannot be all bad. Our community is not our school. Our schools should be a part of our community.
Well Said

Jeffersonville, IN

#41 Mar 28, 2012
choices wrote:
A charter school is not a private school. It is non profit, run by a board of directors and if approved and funded by the state has to accept ANY and ALL applicants. Some do "specialize" in certain areas, but not all. I am currently not real happy with our present school board and administration. I don't like the direction we seem to be headed. Cirriculum is weak and I beleive we still have one elementary school on academic probation. Life is about choices. More choices for our children cannot be all bad. Our community is not our school. Our schools should be a part of our community.
Every school in the state of Indiana is mandated to teach the same curriculum. Perhaps it's the pacing of the material you are upset with, but you can't say the curriculum is weak since every school is teaching the same thing.

As for pacing, I've actually heard that students that transfer from other counties are actually behind the pacing of the schools in this county.

The state doesn't actual have to accept any and all applicants. If that was the case, what's stopping someone with no idea how to run a school and simply wants to get state money from opening a school? There is some protocol....that's the idea of charter schools. The state gets more control so they will only approve schools that have a chance of achieving their academic goals.

Since you brought up the negative of the district, I feel the need to be fair and point out the positive. You mention the school that's on probation. Do you know why they are on probation? Believe it or not, it has nothing to do with their failure to teach the kids. Also, why didn't you mention the schools rated with As by the state? There are 3 of them actually. Why no mention of the fact that two of our schools have consistently ranked in the top 1/4 (and usually even higher) in state test scores? Do the research and you'll find that there are more positive than negatives.

I don't disagree that choices aren't a good thing for the students around here. What I have trouble with is how this one is being done. Why divide a school already known for success? And if this is coming within, isn't this just a bit unethical?

And just to play devil's advocate, if you aren't happy with the current administration, why would you suddenly be interested in a charter school run by a current administrator? I realize some hear the name public school and want to be instantly negative, but there's enough statistics out there to show that charter schools aren't the end all. The state government touts them because they can control them. Of course they will shed them in a positive light. There's little evidence to suggest, though, that this choice will certainly be a positive one.
agree

Charlestown, IN

#42 Mar 28, 2012
Well Said wrote:
<quoted text>
Every school in the state of Indiana is mandated to teach the same curriculum. Perhaps it's the pacing of the material you are upset with, but you can't say the curriculum is weak since every school is teaching the same thing.
As for pacing, I've actually heard that students that transfer from other counties are actually behind the pacing of the schools in this county.
The state doesn't actual have to accept any and all applicants. If that was the case, what's stopping someone with no idea how to run a school and simply wants to get state money from opening a school? There is some protocol....that's the idea of charter schools. The state gets more control so they will only approve schools that have a chance of achieving their academic goals.
Since you brought up the negative of the district, I feel the need to be fair and point out the positive. You mention the school that's on probation. Do you know why they are on probation? Believe it or not, it has nothing to do with their failure to teach the kids. Also, why didn't you mention the schools rated with As by the state? There are 3 of them actually. Why no mention of the fact that two of our schools have consistently ranked in the top 1/4 (and usually even higher) in state test scores? Do the research and you'll find that there are more positive than negatives.
I don't disagree that choices aren't a good thing for the students around here. What I have trouble with is how this one is being done. Why divide a school already known for success? And if this is coming within, isn't this just a bit unethical?
And just to play devil's advocate, if you aren't happy with the current administration, why would you suddenly be interested in a charter school run by a current administrator? I realize some hear the name public school and want to be instantly negative, but there's enough statistics out there to show that charter schools aren't the end all. The state government touts them because they can control them. Of course they will shed them in a positive light. There's little evidence to suggest, though, that this choice will certainly be a positive one.
Very well said. I think it is very possible Mr. Comer and his friends are upset with the current administration because of the future changes that might occur affecting his school. If he's not going to have his way then he'll just start a charter school to take money away from this district never mind if it hurts the students. Kind of childish in my opinion. I'm more worried about my children's education than to take a chance on putting them in a charter school that may or may not make it.

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