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healthy guy

Ford City, PA

#1 Jun 28, 2012
What a great day for our nation!

Since: Dec 09

Somerset, KY

#2 Jun 28, 2012
~~~ SMH ~~~
Lady Di

Harrison, AR

#3 Jun 28, 2012
Really, some parts were okay, but not the tax mandate for health care. Friends, you will see exactly what will happened in the next few years. Mostly young people are for this, what about all our elderly care. Hope all you young folks can handle what is coming your way as well.
SMH at Obamacare

Hazard, KY

#4 Jun 28, 2012
Lady Di wrote:
Really, some parts were okay, but not the tax mandate for health care. Friends, you will see exactly what will happened in the next few years. Mostly young people are for this, what about all our elderly care. Hope all you young folks can handle what is coming your way as well.
Wait a minute you are calling it a health tax mandate. That is not what Obama says it is. He surely wouldn't lie about this 'health care mandate' would he?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/...

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in other words the Prez says "oh no it's not a tax because remember I'm not going to raise your taxes if you make under $250,000." Yet today the Supreme Court says, "Oh yeah Obama's Healthcare plan is constitutional because it is a tax." Get ready to fork over more money all of you who are making under $250,000 and remember, he lied to ya. Yep it's a great day alright. Those who don't work and get benefits from the government just got more from those of us who are trying to do things the right way. And those who are trying to do the right thing now have to pay more for those who aren't. No good deed goes unpunished.
Buckwheat

Knoxville, TN

#5 Jun 28, 2012
All I can say is thank you supreme court. If America has any sense left at all, this should be just the thing that gets the little boneheaded dictator defeated in November!
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#6 Jun 28, 2012
Lady Di wrote:
Really, some parts were okay, but not the tax mandate for health care. Friends, you will see exactly what will happened in the next few years. Mostly young people are for this, what about all our elderly care. Hope all you young folks can handle what is coming your way as well.
I suspect than many people feel the way way you do -- they like the benefits of the plan, but do not like the mandate. Unfortunately, without the universal mandate, there is no way to pay for all the positive benefits.

Personally, I believe that the biggest problem is that most people don't have a clue how the bill will affect them personally. What will be the dollar cost if they do take the insurance? What will it be if they don't? The government has said that they will pick up the tab for those who cannot afford the insurance -- what they term as the "working poor" -- who are not already not covered by Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance. What is that income ceiling for that pickup? I've done tons of reading on the issue and except for a few government websites that cover just the highlights -- all the rest is primarily propaganda -- both left and right wing -- little of which is accurate.
I would like to see HHS send each individual taxpayer/household a statement outlining the benefits of the new bill along with the added costs/savings if any.
zipyourlip

Sheridan, AR

#7 Jun 28, 2012
What a great week for residents of the greater Somerset area. Alcohol sales and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010....all in the same week! It doesn't get any better than that America. Let freedom ring! The right wing tears will fill Lake Cumberland, I sure hope they're almost done with the dam, lol.
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#8 Jun 28, 2012
Buckwheat wrote:
All I can say is thank you supreme court. If America has any sense left at all, this should be just the thing that gets the little boneheaded dictator defeated in November!
I'm really not surprised by the decision. The same challenges went forward when Social Security and Medicare were enacted and as with the health care bill they were both upheld. I suspect that like you, this will energize some to vote for Romney -- even though he actually provided the blue print for this bill. Keep in mind though, in all of the polls taken on the health care issue, around 20 percent of the people who say they dislike the health care bill, do so because it doesn't go far enough -- something that I find intriguing and may impact on how some people view republican pledges to overturn it.

That said, in this election the deciding factor will be the economy -- if it's improving in November Obama will likely win. If not, then Romney will be the man.
datahaza

United States

#9 Jun 28, 2012
Tough Love wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspect than many people feel the way way you do -- they like the benefits of the plan, but do not like the mandate. Unfortunately, without the universal mandate, there is no way to pay for all the positive benefits.
Personally, I believe that the biggest problem is that most people don't have a clue how the bill will affect them personally. What will be the dollar cost if they do take the insurance? What will it be if they don't? The government has said that they will pick up the tab for those who cannot afford the insurance -- what they term as the "working poor" -- who are not already not covered by Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance. What is that income ceiling for that pickup? I've done tons of reading on the issue and except for a few government websites that cover just the highlights -- all the rest is primarily propaganda -- both left and right wing -- little of which is accurate.
I would like to see HHS send each individual taxpayer/household a statement outlining the benefits of the new bill along with the added costs/savings if any.
I agree
zipyourlip

Sheridan, AR

#10 Jun 28, 2012
Tough Love wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm really not surprised by the decision. The same challenges went forward when Social Security and Medicare were enacted and as with the health care bill they were both upheld. I suspect that like you, this will energize some to vote for Romney -- even though he actually provided the blue print for this bill. Keep in mind though, in all of the polls taken on the health care issue, around 20 percent of the people who say they dislike the health care bill, do so because it doesn't go far enough -- something that I find intriguing and may impact on how some people view republican pledges to overturn it.
That said, in this election the deciding factor will be the economy -- if it's improving in November Obama will likely win. If not, then Romney will be the man.
Very true statement, I was not enthralled with the bill, because I was a strong supporter of single payer, similar to what the Canadians and Europeans have. I certainly would not support Republican plans to do nothing, which is critical thinking for them most of the time. You could never lump me into the group that supports their right to do nothing, but watch healthcare costs rise exponentially, when compared to inflation. A true left winger would never support Republican plans to do nothing!

Since: Jul 11

Lexington, KY

#11 Jun 28, 2012
healthy guy wrote:
What a great day for our nation!
do you want to try and explain with facts not emotion, why?

Since: Jul 11

Lexington, KY

#12 Jun 28, 2012
SMH at Obamacare wrote:
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Wait a minute you are calling it a health tax mandate. That is not what Obama says it is. He surely wouldn't lie about this 'health care mandate' would he?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/...
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in other words the Prez says "oh no it's not a tax because remember I'm not going to raise your taxes if you make under $250,000." Yet today the Supreme Court says, "Oh yeah Obama's Healthcare plan is constitutional because it is a tax." Get ready to fork over more money all of you who are making under $250,000 and remember, he lied to ya. Yep it's a great day alright. Those who don't work and get benefits from the government just got more from those of us who are trying to do things the right way. And those who are trying to do the right thing now have to pay more for those who aren't. No good deed goes unpunished.
its 21 new taxes
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#13 Jun 29, 2012
zipyourlip wrote:
<quoted text>Very true statement, I was not enthralled with the bill, because I was a strong supporter of single payer, similar to what the Canadians and Europeans have. I certainly would not support Republican plans to do nothing, which is critical thinking for them most of the time. You could never lump me into the group that supports their right to do nothing, but watch healthcare costs rise exponentially, when compared to inflation. A true left winger would never support Republican plans to do nothing!
I used to be a fan of the single payer system until I lived in Canada and the UK. It's true that everyone is covered -- cradle to grave -- however the level of treatment is really so much lower than in the US. Diagnostic testing is limited, and there are extremely long wait times for what does exist. Even simple things like a quick strep test are not used because they are too expensive. As 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border, it's feasible for them to seek treatment in the US for anything that goes beyond the common cold. Consequently many have supplemental US insurance policies. In the UK, folks with money head to the States or Switzerland. The middle class and the poor, just have to live with it.

I suspect that most people in the US agree that our health care system needs a complete overhaul, but no one has a silver bullet. At least the President's plan starts to address the problems. However, the big question mark is the cost and our ability as a nation to pay for it. Like you, I abhor the republican do nothing program. However, what ever changes are made to the system should be deficit neutral or should be enacted only after budget cuts are made elsewhere.

I used to believe that if we educated our people and kept them healthy, the rest of our problems would basically resolve themselves. That was before I retired to Kentucky where I have seen the power of the welfare culture first hand. Instead of giving a hand-up that would lead to personal success, it has created generations of wastrels who would rather collect a check than work. FIx this first and you will have the money for health care.
Get real

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jun 29, 2012
I see that most people don't really understand what just happened. This is not a plan to help low income people get medical insurance, most of them are already covered as it is and the court overturned the mandate which allowed the federal government to force states into compliance by holding back funding in other areas. So states don't have to increase their medicare rosters. What it does however is force those of you out there right now who can't afford insurance to acquire it, at your own personal expense or face a "tax" (actually a fine). This is not a victory for the people, it is a victory for the insurance companies. And now they will have free reign on premiums etc. Ever priced car insurance in a state which requires it (like Kentucky) against a state that doesn't require it (like Tennessee?) Guess what, the state that doesn't require insurance has lower premiums. If this plan is so great why did Congress, the Senate and the President opt themselves out of it for life?
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#15 Jun 29, 2012
Get real wrote:
I see that most people don't really understand what just happened. This is not a plan to help low income people get medical insurance, most of them are already covered as it is and the court overturned the mandate which allowed the federal government to force states into compliance by holding back funding in other areas. So states don't have to increase their medicare rosters. What it does however is force those of you out there right now who can't afford insurance to acquire it, at your own personal expense or face a "tax" (actually a fine). This is not a victory for the people, it is a victory for the insurance companies. And now they will have free reign on premiums etc. Ever priced car insurance in a state which requires it (like Kentucky) against a state that doesn't require it (like Tennessee?) Guess what, the state that doesn't require insurance has lower premiums. If this plan is so great why did Congress, the Senate and the President opt themselves out of it for life?
You are only partially correct. Anyone already covered by Medicaid, Medicare or private insurance is not expected to purchase additional coverage. The bill is aimed at that segment of the population who can afford medical coverage, but who -- for various reasons -- choose not to purchase it. Many of those who choose not to purchase health insurance do so because they would rather spend the money on other things. Every year more and more people use the emergency room as their personal physician and then never pay the bills. Those costs are then passed on to those of us who do have insurance and to the general taxpayer through increased doctor/medical fees and higher insurance rates. The purpose of the mandate is to insure that everyone has some type of coverage, thereby reducing the number of people who don’t pay their bills. By enlarging the insurance pool, the insurance companies can afford to offer expanded coverage for less. It’s strictly math.

And by the way, the President, Congress, and all federal government workers/retirees all have access to the same menu of health care plans. They are already covered and therefore do not have to purchase additional insurance -- just like those who already have private coverage. There is no “opting out” as you stated, since they are already in a premier plan. Actually, Obama wanted to open up the government program to all citizens, but the republicans in both the house and the senate balked. So if you have a problem with that, you might want to talk to Mitch, Rand and Hal.

Here’s an interesting piece from Politico, which is a quick and dirty on how the mandate might affect you.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/779...
Paul Revere

Knox, PA

#16 Jun 29, 2012
Just to be clear, Justice Roberts wrote that the Mandate is unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause but, the govt has the right to TAX citizens for NOT purchasing something???
Am I the only who sees this as two polar opposites? How can you ube taxed for something that is unconstitutional?

Also, I thought Obamacare wasn't a TAX? That's what Obama told the whole country and was backed up by Pelosi and Reid. So, the Supreme Court now says it IS a TAX and the Obama Administration just levied the single largest TAX INCREASE in American history. Hmmmm.
Paul Revere

Knox, PA

#17 Jun 29, 2012
The simple solution is the same one we had when the Obama Administration, nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid created this monsrousity behind closed doors then, told us all they needed to "pass it to find out what was in it".
The solution is to defeat Obama in Nov and retake the Senate. Repeal/defund obamacare and replace it with something that actually works while not placing 1/6th of the national economy and our healthcare system of the Federal Govt.
The free-market is the ONLY way healthcare can be made available and more affordable. Tort Reform and competition are the keywords for getting the ball rolling. But, the first step is to DEFEAT OBAMA.
Get real

Brooklyn, NY

#18 Jun 29, 2012
Tough Love wrote:
<quoted text>
You are only partially correct. Anyone already covered by Medicaid, Medicare or private insurance is not expected to purchase additional coverage. The bill is aimed at that segment of the population who can afford medical coverage, but who -- for various reasons -- choose not to purchase it. M
You just made my point. Those who already qualify for health coverage under the existing programs will not be effected. The only people that will feel the squeeze are those that are currently uninsured who will be forced to purchase insurance. While some may opt to purchase other things instead of insurance you are dreaming if you think it is because all of them would rather have a plasma TV and cable. You don't see a problem with this? You don't see a problem with the federal government forcing individuals to spend their money a certain way? And I don't trust Politico as a source. Why don't you read the 1200 page monstrosity for yourself and then decide for yourself whether it is good or bad, instead of relying on sites with an agenda to summarize it for you. This IS NOT a good thing for anyone! I can't wait till 2014 when all of those who are celebrating start getting hit with fines. And it will effect those of us with current insurance because our premiums will rise. Thanks Obama, for giving me a reason to vote for Romney come Nov.
Get real

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Jun 29, 2012
Meant affected instead of effected btw
Tough Love

Somerset, KY

#20 Jun 29, 2012
Get real wrote:
<quoted text>
You just made my point. Those who already qualify for health coverage under the existing programs will not be effected. The only people that will feel the squeeze are those that are currently uninsured who will be forced to purchase insurance. While some may opt to purchase other things instead of insurance you are dreaming if you think it is because all of them would rather have a plasma TV and cable. You don't see a problem with this? You don't see a problem with the federal government forcing individuals to spend their money a certain way? And I don't trust Politico as a source. Why don't you read the 1200 page monstrosity for yourself and then decide for yourself whether it is good or bad, instead of relying on sites with an agenda to summarize it for you. This IS NOT a good thing for anyone! I can't wait till 2014 when all of those who are celebrating start getting hit with fines. And it will effect those of us with current insurance because our premiums will rise. Thanks Obama, for giving me a reason to vote for Romney come Nov.
Actually, I have read most of the bill. However, given the many inaccuracies in your comments, it's pretty clear that you haven't.

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