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Group calls on judge to reject report on Makua - Hawaii News

There are 40 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Aug 13, 2009, titled Group calls on judge to reject report on Makua - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

As expected, Malama Makua asked a federal court judge yesterday to set aside the Army's environmental impact statement justifying the continued use of the Makua Valley on the Waianae Coast for live-ammunition training.

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khi

United States

#1 Aug 13, 2009
there's lots of room in the U.S. to bomb, like most of Nevada.
willie

Plymouth, MI

#2 Aug 13, 2009
khi wrote:
there's lots of room in the U.S. to bomb, like most of Nevada.
Or the RV building capital of the USA...Indiana...since they are not building any these days.
Patriot Kimo

United States

#3 Aug 13, 2009
khi wrote:
there's lots of room in the U.S. to bomb, like most of Nevada.
Sure, but then the military over time will move away. Without commenting on the pros or cons of THAT in this conversation, i think a lot of people who say "not in my back yard" are not thinking through the secondary effects of restricting training: that the military (specifically the ground combat components) would move away.
The tertiary effects over time will be an ever decreasing space for militar training, hence stationing: already there are only two division-sized stationing on the west coast, and none to speak of in the entire New England and only two on the entire eastern seaboard. Where are they to live and train if only in Nevada type places?
Patriot Kimo

United States

#4 Aug 13, 2009
The entire fight by MM/EJ is disengenuous and bogus. they may appear to be fighting for valid reasons but their true colors show in that they are fighting only the military and only in that valley. With as small as Oahu is, one would think that ANY development would be over "historic", "culturally significant", or spiritual" land. Yet these groups are mum to any and all development or utilization except for everything the army is doing.
True cultural warriors should be fighting for RESTORATION as well as preservation: RESTORE all of Kaneohe, Hawaii Kai, Manoa Valley, Pearl Harbor, et al to its original, culturally and spiritually correct, state. The fact that they only bitch about army training underscores their narrow minded bogusness.
itsumo

Las Vegas, NV

#5 Aug 13, 2009
I think the state of Nevada would welcome with open arms the 25th Division. Nevada has perfect areas for desert training and the type of terrain that our troops have to operate in. It might be wise for the Army to just leave Hawaii and move to Nevada. Then, Hawaii can use Schofield Barracks for Homeless housing and public housing. Who knows, maybe the state government might move there. The police would have great qualification ranges. It could be considered 3rd city.
For What

Honolulu, HI

#6 Aug 13, 2009
Earthjustice is an unwitting pawn in this incremental plan furthered by those who want to remove US presence from Hawaii, and restore some sort of remnant of the corrupt Monarchy.

Essentially environmental paper terrorism, it is a campaign marked by needlesome, annoying and polite forms of harrassment via the filing of multiple, often perceived as meaningless motions and papers and oppositions against the US,(and here the US Army,) in order to impede, obstruct, delay and frustrate US National interest requiring a well trained, prepared military combat force.

Having nothing better to do out in Waianae, these closet sovereignty activists appear to spend their every waking moment scheming as to how they can manipulate the self-righteous environmentalists like Earthjustice, to further their anti-American plan.

Get a life.
Flexo

Kula, HI

#7 Aug 13, 2009
itsumo wrote:
I think the state of Nevada would welcome with open arms the 25th Division. Nevada has perfect areas for desert training and the type of terrain that our troops have to operate in. It might be wise for the Army to just leave Hawaii and move to Nevada. Then, Hawaii can use Schofield Barracks for Homeless housing and public housing. Who knows, maybe the state government might move there. The police would have great qualification ranges. It could be considered 3rd city.
Forget it. Look at how poorly the state handled Barbers Point and how certain people trashed the place. I don't think any resident wants a repeat of that fiasco.
For This

Honolulu, HI

#8 Aug 13, 2009
Patriot Kimo wrote:
The entire fight by MM/EJ is disengenuous and bogus. they may appear to be fighting for valid reasons but their true colors show in that they are fighting only the military and only in that valley. With as small as Oahu is, one would think that ANY development would be over "historic", "culturally significant", or spiritual" land. Yet these groups are mum to any and all development or utilization except for everything the army is doing.
True cultural warriors should be fighting for RESTORATION as well as preservation: RESTORE all of Kaneohe, Hawaii Kai, Manoa Valley, Pearl Harbor, et al to its original, culturally and spiritually correct, state. The fact that they only **** about army training underscores their narrow minded bogusness.
Right on, Braddah Kimo.

Me, I native Hawaiian. But, I know EXACTLY what you stay talking about.

And, these Malama Makua folks,(especially their now public figure, perenial public office candidate loser and all around ring-leader, William Aila,) have DISRESPECTED the native Hawaiian US military veterans living in and along the Waianae coast too.

These sovereignty types are under-educated but street-wise, ghetto smart, and know how to maximize the sympathy factor from the left-leaning duped into this nuisance creating legal paperwork clogging up the US District Court and wasting the Judge's time.
Flexo

Kula, HI

#9 Aug 13, 2009
Don't you just love EJ, they got the EIS they requested but it didn't say what they wanted it to say so they want it thrown out. How many cracks is the judge going to give them at this. I think it's time he says to them that the Army has been over backwards to accomodate your client (MM) but neither of you are ever satisfied, just like a bunch of crybaby kids. Of course if the judge were to do that, then they would forum shop for another judge until they finally find one that agrees with them.
Island Boi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#10 Aug 13, 2009
Earthjustice attorney David Henkins never has a clue as to what is in EIS. He just spouts his usual worthless shibai, wrings his hands and cries crocodile tears. Auwe, what a sad individual, a true disappointment to his parents. Truth is nothing will ever please David. It can't because if it did he would lose his job. David, cry all you want, we will move on with Makua and leave you way behind in the dust. Grow up and become part of the solution, ask to be in charge of some area on Makua so you can demonstrate all you say you know. Hmmmm, pure silence from David. Wonder why???? Just another day in the Nei.

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Since: Aug 08

Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#11 Aug 13, 2009
IMHO there is definitely a need for defensive tactics and defensive weaponry. However there seems to be alot of disrespect for the aina in Makua. They can easily train elsewhere.
Concerned Resident

AOL

#12 Aug 13, 2009
Malama Makua should just rescind their orinigal 2001 offer of use ( since they won the lawsuit ) and tell the Army they're done.
Concerned Resident

AOL

#13 Aug 13, 2009
Patriot Kimo said:

"The entire fight by MM/EJ is disengenuous and bogus. they may appear to be fighting for valid reasons but their true colors show in that they are fighting only the military and only in that valley. With as small as Oahu is, one would think that ANY development would be over "historic", "culturally significant", or spiritual" land. Yet these groups are mum to any and all development or utilization except for everything the army is doing.
True cultural warriors should be fighting for RESTORATION as well as preservation: RESTORE all of Kaneohe, Hawaii Kai, Manoa Valley, Pearl Harbor, et al to its original, culturally and spiritually correct, state. The fact that they only **** about army training underscores their narrow minded bogusness."

Oh brudda. Put down that kool-aid and step away from the still.
Lana Loser

Washington, DC

#14 Aug 13, 2009
How about they train in Florida? Got any of that real estate for sale there, Lana, seeing as how you no live hea and yet you always spouting for us. Maybe we can get the Army to train in your yard, seeing as how you like save Hawaii so much you chose to move away, eh?
-Lana- wrote:
IMHO there is definitely a need for defensive tactics and defensive weaponry. However there seems to be alot of disrespect for the aina in Makua. They can easily train elsewhere.
Local fisherman

Waipahu, HI

#15 Aug 13, 2009
Here are a couple of questions: What kind of training does the Army need to do in Makua that can't be done at Schofield?

And if the Army should release Makua, who oversees that land, and what will be done with it? Natural area preserve? State park? More construction?

Can it be kept intact as an ahupua'a with people working it? More likely unexploded ordnance would make the area inaccessible for decades, with no funds available for a thorough cleanup.

And if the group opposing the military use of Makua are truly concerned about the welfare of the land and adjacent sea, what are they doing to protect the rest of the coastline of Oahu?
Not so fast

Honolulu, HI

#16 Aug 13, 2009
Concerned Resident wrote:
Malama Makua should just rescind their orinigal 2001 offer of use ( since they won the lawsuit ) and tell the Army they're done.
Their 2001 offer of use was acted upon, relied upon, money spent, time consumed and the US Army has substantially changed their position upon such MM offer of use.

This is the real world. Only in fantasy land or the vacuum of a black whole would something like what you propose be considered to be realistic
no one special

Honolulu, HI

#17 Aug 13, 2009
I rather the military practice there & maintain it the way they've been doing. If the military didn't use it, the homeless would!

Since: Feb 08

Vacaville, CA

#18 Aug 13, 2009
How about the Army buy all the complainers a new caddy if they stop complaining? I wonder if that would work?
Patriot Kimo

Turin, Italy

#19 Aug 13, 2009
Concerned Resident wrote:
Malama Makua should just rescind their orinigal 2001 offer of use ( since they won the lawsuit ) and tell the Army they're done.
I wouldn't agree with your opinion, but if what you say is true (they won some case and they should just turn off usage) then sure, why the heck don't they just do that?

Since: Feb 08

Vacaville, CA

#20 Aug 13, 2009
You better believe it. Like flies on sh.t!
no one special wrote:
I rather the military practice there & maintain it the way they've been doing. If the military didn't use it, the homeless would!

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