Man's Body Found Under Charred Home Days After Fire

The body of a man was found Wednesday beneath a "tremendous" amount of debris following a weekend house fire in south suburban Sauk Village. Full Story
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michelle

Evergreen Park, IL

#1 Jun 19, 2008
yes i know this man, his name is rawb. i loved him very much he was a close friend of mine. i wil;l love him and always miss him- michelle R.I.P RAWB
Jackie

Orland Park, IL

#2 Jun 19, 2008
I too knew him and loved him dearly. Known him for over 10 years and he's always been there for me no matter what. He is amazing in every way and I will miss him with all my heart! I love you Rawb RIP baby!
NWI from SV

Hazel Crest, IL

#3 Jun 20, 2008
So if reports of the story are correct, what was Rawb doing in the house? According to Sauk Village Officials, the owner of the home stated he was the sole resident and happened to be out of town when the fire happened. Can you offer any information about this? Is the Village not telling the entire story again?
ames

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Jun 20, 2008
i also knew robert a. kunz aka rawb 40 oz bastard, very well. he literally gave me the shirt off his back & was always there for me when i needed him. he was an awesome man and an even better friend. june 30th would have been his 24th birthday. this is being ruled as homicide investigation.
NWI from SV

Hazel Crest, IL

#5 Jun 20, 2008
This is really a sad event. Always seems like the good people are taken. Did he live at the home or did he visit there often? Was he somehow related to the person that owned the home? People would be interested to know. It's pretty sad that he died in the fire. I am sorry to you and his Family and friends for your loss of a great friend and relative.
Shannon

Tinley Park, IL

#6 Jun 20, 2008
I've know Rob for over 6 years..this is so horrible..he was such a great, creative person and he will be missed. He knew the owner of the house...I'm not giving out any other information about it though..He told me about a month before his death that he was confused, scared, and sad that a lot of his friends were dying..he told me only the good die young.
R.I.P Rob
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myrrh

United States

#7 Jun 20, 2008
The owner was known for using and abusing the folks who hung out there - and this is one of those cases, in my opinion.

“THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX”

Since: Jun 08

CALUMET PARK and BLUE ISLAND

#8 Jun 20, 2008
BTW, I knew Rob too. And, as a former resident of Sauk Village, I've had to make a police report against the owner of the home that burned (several years ago) because of what he was doing to/with the kids who hung there.
NWI from SV

Lowell, IN

#9 Jun 20, 2008
The sad part is that just from using the Sauk Village Forum, we already know more than the SVPD does! How sad is that! And how did the SVFD miss a body litterally "under their feet" when the insurance investigator who doesn't have access to the resources, tools, or firefighting training found him three days later? I just don't understand that. Sure there was a "tremendous" amount of debris, but that should have been turned and moved to look for smoldering embers or fuels that possibly could have re-ignighted.

It saddens me to know that both SVPD and SVFD both missed him in the rubble. When the insurance investigator found him on his own three days later. And since this fire happened at 6:00 A.M. Sunday, there was ample light, etc. to find him then. What a sad, tragic loss of someone that was well liked and respected in the neighborhood.
funnyguy

Camden, ME

#10 Jun 20, 2008
The man should have been cooked a little more so that it could be called cremation now they have a body on thier hands & a investigation will be needed so much for so little thats the way some departments work its to bad a nice person had to go
Toni

Plymouth, MI

#11 Jun 20, 2008
This was not the owner of the house. This was Rob Kunz and he will be severely missed.
123aog

Chicago Heights, IL

#12 Jun 21, 2008
The insurance investigator was with the fire and arson investigators when the body was found
NWI from SV wrote:
The sad part is that just from using the Sauk Village Forum, we already know more than the SVPD does! How sad is that! And how did the SVFD miss a body litterally "under their feet" when the insurance investigator who doesn't have access to the resources, tools, or firefighting training found him three days later? I just don't understand that. Sure there was a "tremendous" amount of debris, but that should have been turned and moved to look for smoldering embers or fuels that possibly could have re-ignighted.
It saddens me to know that both SVPD and SVFD both missed him in the rubble. When the insurance investigator found him on his own three days later. And since this fire happened at 6:00 A.M. Sunday, there was ample light, etc. to find him then. What a sad, tragic loss of someone that was well liked and respected in the neighborhood.
NWI from SV

Hazel Crest, IL

#13 Jun 21, 2008
Actually this has happened before. Not perhaps under the same circumstances, but very similar. In February 2008, in Clayton County, GA and Birmingham, AL where bodies were found by insurance investigators and State Fire Marshalls. Common in all the cases was the debris that covered the bodies. It could be from a house that has alot of junk in it from the attic, etc. or just that heavy structures that could not be moved readily during salvage, recovery and initial investigation.

In Illinois, by Illinois Law, investigations must take place not more than 48 hours from the occurrence date of the fire, not including Sundays. Also the nature of the fire whether caused by carelessness or otherwise, is to be determined if necessary under the direction of the State Fire Marshall. The Fire Chief of the Municipality is responsible for this as well as submitting the findings within 15 days under guidelines of the National Incident Fire Reporting Systems. If the circumstances are of suspicious origin or not consistent with a routine fire occurrence, the State Fire Marshall can supercede local authority and initiate a thorough investigation which includes witness statements and testimony to establish the facts.

All we can do is see what happens from here.
Toni

Lansing, IL

#14 Jun 21, 2008
There are now 2 people named Toni on here. Could the body have been placed there after the fire?
NWI from SV wrote:
Actually this has happened before. Not perhaps under the same circumstances, but very similar. In February 2008, in Clayton County, GA and Birmingham, AL where bodies were found by insurance investigators and State Fire Marshalls. Common in all the cases was the debris that covered the bodies. It could be from a house that has alot of junk in it from the attic, etc. or just that heavy structures that could not be moved readily during salvage, recovery and initial investigation.
In Illinois, by Illinois Law, investigations must take place not more than 48 hours from the occurrence date of the fire, not including Sundays. Also the nature of the fire whether caused by carelessness or otherwise, is to be determined if necessary under the direction of the State Fire Marshall. The Fire Chief of the Municipality is responsible for this as well as submitting the findings within 15 days under guidelines of the National Incident Fire Reporting Systems. If the circumstances are of suspicious origin or not consistent with a routine fire occurrence, the State Fire Marshall can supercede local authority and initiate a thorough investigation which includes witness statements and testimony to establish the facts.
All we can do is see what happens from here.
Marissa

United States

#16 Jun 21, 2008
I too knew Rob and he was a great guy. He did not deserve to die like this. I do hope the police investigate this more and find the truth. My husband was really good friends w/ him and has lost such a wonderful friend. Rob you will be missed. Much love to you and, RIP.

“THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX”

Since: Jun 08

CALUMET PARK and BLUE ISLAND

#17 Jun 21, 2008
My daughter is being falsly charged with this crime, but i will tell you all: Rob was set up by the owner of the trailer who dowsed it with gasoline and ether because he wanted the insurance money. He promised Rob a new car in return for the favor. Rob never had a chance. I wish I could go into more detail but my daughter's case is pending. Meanwhile, she's being held at county jail. Her three year old son and one year old daughter miss her already, as do i and her brothers, sisters, and father and other family members. I realize she was wrong at some level, but not to the degree that the SV police are claiming. I can't afford a defense attorney for her, so she is likely to spend a very, very long time in prison. But what about Bob-o???? I hold HIM primarily responsible. Also, why did it take so long for the SV fire department to respond?

My heart aches: for Rob and his friends and family, and for my young daughter who was just really too naive and trusting of her friends and honestly, should've never given Rob a ride that night. Just like Rob should've never agreed to "help" the owner in return for a car.
sickness overcomes us all

United States

#18 Jun 21, 2008
I hope Christina Stone and Bob Marchese DIE in a firey suffocating death 1000 times worse than what Rob went through! She left him there to die! knowing his body was there for three days and didnt tell a single soul! going over to his best friends place laughing and drinking the night b4 they found his body pretending she didnt know anything! I hope she burns alive for this! I hope Bob burns for this as well. as far as i am concerned they murdered Robert Kunz in cold blood and left his body to rot all alone. he died alone and scared. he was a great friend and for him to leave this world the way he did is messed up.Bob Marchese has been seen driving a white chrysler with a black dro top. keep an eye out for him and call the police if you see him.i already have once and i will do it again he deserves to fry he is a murderer!
sickness overcomes us all

United States

#19 Jun 21, 2008
bob marchese has been seen driving a white chrysler with a black drop top. keep an eye out for him. call the police if you see him.
sickness overcomes us all

United States

#20 Jun 21, 2008
bob marchese was all laughing and smiling as if nothing bad has happened. a person has died in his house. and he doesnt even care! i hope and pray they catch him and put him away for life!
Anonymous

Park Forest, IL

#21 Jun 21, 2008
I just would like to add that the PD did not miss this. It is not for them to go into a bruned building. This is an FD issue and the PD should be left out of it.

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